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Ami Anne
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posted May 13, 2012 08:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Save Your Money–Why Psychology will make you WORSE?
By amiann | Published: May 12, 2012

I seem called upon to take on sacred cows. I do so knowing I will get no end of flak. However, what is one’s life if one is a politically correct duck, quacking absurdities? Here goes. I have unique qualifications to make this statement.I have a Bachelors and Masters Degree from two of the top colleges in the country. I studied Psychology for six years. I had an internship with abused woman and the men who were mandated from the courts to undergo counseling. My mother is a practicing therapist. I have been in therapy since I was twelve year old until I realized that it was making me worse and I could lose my entire sanity unless I ran. Those are unusual qualifications to get you to at least listen, I hope.

I can talk from all three perspectives listed above. Each of them further reinforces my belief. I will take each one, in order. When a client comes to a therapist, there may be some cursory benefits just from the actual talking or unburdening of the client. This is good but could be gotten from a friend, a priest or a support group. One does need to unburden oneself. However, the field of Psychology is not needed for this simple, yet important feat. One could call a hot line if one needed to unburden oneself and had no one in one’s current life with which to do this.

I do want to say something, here.If one is in a precarious, a therapist could help carry you through it as you have SOMEONE there. However, the field of Psychology is not what is helping you.It is the fact that you have a person to whom you can talk. You have the consistency of knowing that person is there and will be there, for you.If a person is in this precarious state, they may need a therapist, short term. However, they will not make the progress they want to a full adult maturity level, emotionally, if they stay within the Psychology paradigm, in my experience.

It is hard to try to explain why Psychology makes one worse when Psychology is such a fabric of the society.It is inextricably woven into the zeitgeist of the culture. Psychology appears to offer a salvation to just the thing it is creating. I will try to explain this as clearly as I can. One’s goal is to be able to think and feel for oneself. If one does not have this capacity, one must depend on others to do this for one. One of the classic “others” is the field of psychology. Make no mistake when I talk about a person who cannot think for himself. I am not talking about intelligence or even intellect.I am talking about emotions and the ability to feel them. There is an intelligence which is based on feeling emotions.If you cannot, you may be slow in emotional intelligence even if you have a PhD in psychics from Harvard. I am talking about two different kinds of intelligence here. The psychologist may have a PhD from Harvard or an MD from Harvard Medical School. He may still have the emotional intelligence of a five year old. Herein, lies the subject of my article. How can you have a PhD or an MD from Harvard and have the emotional intelligence of a five year old. If I can answer that question, with clarity, I will have answered the question posed in the title.

Emotional intelligence is prevalent in most children. The trick is to grow up and mature in the ways of the world but not to lose the connection to your emotions i.e. emotional intelligence. It seems atypical for a child to remain intact in his emotional intelligence as he matures. Herein lies the problem. The Bible likens men to sheep. If you study sheep, it is not a favorable likeness. Sheep are dumb and cannot think for themselves. Jesus is the Great Shepherd. We are told that we will be safe if we stay in Him. How does this relate to emotional intelligence? A child needs a parent on whom he can depend. A child, also, needs access to his own emotions. A person must find the Great Shepherd or not much else matters. What does it profit a man to gain the whole world but lose his very soul?

I have gone a bit afield of my original question. One needs God in order to navigate this world. if one does not navigate it well, there is Eternal Life which is forever. Your blips on the radar screen in this life will fade to nothing once you are in the next world. So, if you screw up, royally, in this world, don’t despair if you have Eternal Life. At any rate, I do not want to ignore my opening question. Psychology will make you worse because it is not consistent with the true human nature. It is an imitation of the real, as is the case with things that get into the hands of the forces which wish us ill. Psychology is diametrically opposed to the Bible, at it’s core. At the apex, it may look the same. However, at the core it is opposed.One cannot drink from the fountain of a body of knowledge which is opposed to God’s Ways and not suffer harm. The harm may be insidious. It may seem as if there is no harm, at all, but there must be if one is taken far afield of the Bible. Hence, the answer to the question posed is coming into focus. One cannot go diametrically opposed to the Bible and expect to come out with healing, any healing. One will come out impaired. One may not know it, as if often the case with Psychology. One may raise the banner of Psychology as one’s savior but the fruits will not be there.One’s life will not show it. As one proclaims the benefits of Psychology,one will be sinking.One will be falling down, in some way. One cannot go against God’s ways and expect to prosper.One can have the appearance of prospering, but it will be short term and short lived. This will always be the case

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RegardesPlatero
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posted May 13, 2012 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To be honest, I think that a lot depends on the individuals involved.

I don't really tend to think that a lot of things are all bad or all good. Religion, for example: it gets a bad name today, but I don't think that all religions are bad or hateful. Some definitely are, but not all. Likewise, with psychology, I think that some psychologists are intelligent, caring, sensitive individuals who really do help people a great deal, while others are quacks, some are harmful, and still others are just mediocre and ineffective. To even further complicate things, some people will work with the same priest/therapist and have very different experiences. There are different kinds of therapy as well as different ways of interacting with pastors, and sometimes a person can run into a good therapist or pastor who just isn't the right one for them, but who is still competent.

And, too, there are many different branches and schools of thought within psychology and religion. A Freudian and a Jungian would, for example, believe very different things. Likewise, even within the same 'denominations' of any one religion, too, there are tons of disagreements.

And, on top of that, religion and psychology do not have to be mutually exclusive. My therapist is not an atheist and does follow a faith, though remains of course respectful of my faith, which is different than hers. Mainly, I've talked to her about faith when struggling at church and, earlier, when I left my old denomination and then was spiritually seeking a new path.

So, for me, my thing is to take it on an individual basis. I've known good priests and horrible ones, and others that just didn't leave a strong impression either way, ones that weren't bad, but weren't effective, either. I've worked with competent therapists, and have been very, very lucky to have access to them.

To me, the important thing is to get to know a pastor or therapist, see if their methods work, look at their references and credentials, etc. If a pastor or therapist is not right for you, then it's important to find those whose methods are more effective and more in tune with your goals.

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Ami Anne
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posted May 13, 2012 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, many people feel as you do, Regardes. That is why I said it was controversial. I put it here NOT to argue but to offer it to those to whom it had value.I want to make that clear, not that you are arguing but it is here for the above reason, only. If people want to argue, that is fine.*I* just don't want to. I hope it may speak to someone. It is here for that one person, perhaps. I do not want to debate it, so I am saying that up front!

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Mblake81
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posted May 14, 2012 02:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mblake81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pisces/Virgo Age

Virgin Moon, House of Fish.

http://www.valkyrieastrology.com/Makeover/moonsigns/virgomoon.htm

"In the 12th, they'll more than likely believe very strongly that spirituality means continually striving for perfection(Virgo), and may be drawn to spiritual or occult subjects for that reason, though, again, they're likely to be disappointed when the various flaws appear."

I. LIFE ("You shall not die")

II. KNOWLEDGE ("Your eye shall be opened")

III. POWER ("You will be as gods")

IV. SOPHISTICATION ("You will know good and evil")

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Ami Anne
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posted May 14, 2012 07:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Man Mblake you get the award for best pictures

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posted May 14, 2012 09:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mblake, what do you mean by Pisces/Virgo age?

As for psychology, I think it's mostly junk science. That sacred cow has been long dead for me, Ami.

But one of my very dear friends is a psychologist and I feel SO MUCH BETTER after we talk. She is a true healer. She believes that her formal training has enhanced her ability to help people, and I have to believe her, if for no other reason than to pay her back the courtesy that she has paid to me.

On the other hand, I have no formal training and she seems to enjoy our conversations as much as I do. Is it just my Pisces moon and her Virgo moon doing the opposites dance?

Could be. Ultimately I trust astrology. I believe that certain aspects are healing. And healing is a form of love, and love is God. That is my creed for life.

I believe astrology should be more widely applied.

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posted May 14, 2012 09:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mblake81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
Mblake, what do you mean by Pisces/Virgo age?

http://www.halexandria.org/dward207.htm

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The important point to be remembered is that when the sun was said to be in a certain sign of the zodiac, the ancients really meant that the sun occupied the opposite sign and cast its long rays of light into the house in which they enthroned it. Therefore, when it is said that the sun is in Taurus, it means (astronomically) that the sun is in the sign opposite of Taurus, which is Scorpio. While the ignorant multitudes worshiped the house of the sun's reflection, which in the case described would be the Bull of Taurus, the wise revered the house of the sun's actual dwelling, which would be the Scorpion, or the Serpent, the symbols of the concealed spiritual mystery.

-Manly P. Hall

Following the example above, The house of Virgo The Virgin is the one receiving the light of the sun while in the Piscean Age. Yin or Shadow is typically black, Black Virgo, Black Virgin, Etc Etc.


http://allaboutvirgo.blogspot.com/2007/02/mythical-tales-of-virgo-virgo.html

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Virgo represents Mary, Mother of Jesus. The mother of Christ remains a Virgin in the minds of others even when Jesus is born. This does not mean an untouched woman, or intact. In ancient times this meant unmarried lady.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgo_%28constellation%29

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In the Middle Ages, Virgo was sometimes associated with the Blessed Virgin Mary.

The Virgin is where Jesus (Pisces Sun) shines his Light.

culture, politics etc are dominated currently by the fish and virgin, more so by the virgin..the undercurrent of our planet. *See black winged hermetic helmet pictured above* (I think the germanic helmet has the sexiest profile)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Madonna

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A Black Madonna or Black Virgin is a statue or painting of Mary in which she is depicted with dark or black skin, especially those created in Europe in the medieval period or earlier. In this specialized sense "Black Madonna" does not apply to images of the Virgin Mary portrayed as explicitly black African, which are popular in Africa and areas with large black populations, such as Brazil and the United States.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/yin

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The feminine passive principle in nature that in Chinese cosmology is exhibited in darkness(Black), cold, or wetness and that combines with yang to produce all that comes to be.

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posted May 14, 2012 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mblake81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.starlightastrology.com/virgo-mercury.htm

Mercurious, Ruler of Virgo

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The winged-helmeted messenger of the Gods. In Roman mythology Mercury is the god of commerce, travel and thievery, the Roman counterpart of the Greek god Hermes, the messenger of the Gods. The planet probably received this name because it moves so quickly across the sky. It was given two names by the Greeks: Apollo for its apparition as a morning star and Hermes as an evening star. Greek astronomers knew, however, that the two names referred to the same body.

Mercury acts to process large volumes of information within our essential being---as represented by the sun. It allows a person to think, discriminate, express oneself and to move about. This has been called an animator of movement and is associated with our nervous system: the communication and transportation system within our bodies.

Mercury tends to make a person verbose, critical, and high strung; the person born under the sign ruled by this planet may even give Leo a run for his money in the egotistical department.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermeticism

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Hermeticism or the Western Hermetic Tradition is a set of philosophical and religious beliefs based primarily upon the pseudepigraphical writings attributed to Hermes Trismegistus.*Also called Mercury*

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Once Hermeticism was no longer endorsed by the Christian Church it was driven underground and a number of Hermetic societies were formed. The Western esoteric tradition is now heavily steeped in Hermeticism. The work of such writers as Pico Della Mirandola, who attempted to reconcile Jewish Kabbalah and Christian mysticism, brought Hermeticism into a context more easily understood by Europeans in the Renaissance.

A few primarily Hermetic occult orders were founded in the late Middle Ages and early Renaissance. Hermetic magic underwent a nineteenth century revival in Western Europe, where it was practiced by people and within groups such as the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, Aurum Solis, Ragon, Kenneth M. Mackenzie, Eliphas Lévi, Frederick Hockley, William Butler Yeats, and Arthur Machen. Many Hermetic, or Hermetically influenced, groups exist today, most of which are derived from the Golden Dawn, Rosicrucianism or Freemasonry.


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posted May 14, 2012 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mblake81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKbk2h7YAbU

U2
Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me

You don't know how you took it
You just know what you got
Oh Lordy you've been stealing
From the thieves and you got caught
In the headlights
Of a stretch car
You're a star

Dressing like your sister
Living like a tart
They don't know what you're doing
Babe, it must be art
You're a headache
In a suitcase
You're a star

Oh no, don't be shy
You don't have to go blind
Hold me, thrill me, kiss me, kill me

You don't know how you got here
You just know you want out
Believing in yourself
Almost as much as you doubt
You're a big smash
You wear it like a rash
Star

Oh no, don't be shy
There's a crowd to cry
Hold me, thrill me, kiss me, kill me

They want you to be Jesus
They'll go down on one knee
But they'll want their money back
If you're alive at thirty-three
And you're turning tricks
With your crucifix
You're a star

(Oh child)

Of course you're not shy
You don't have to deny love
Hold me, thrill me, kiss me, kill me

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posted May 14, 2012 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mblake81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://ezinearticles.com/?Scorpio,-Libra ,-and-Virgo-Might-Be-Connected-to-the-Ancients-Judgment-Scenes---Egyptian-Astrology&id=1427872

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The history which we use today in our modern astrology reports actually descends from the Greeks interpretation of the Egyptians belief and other older societies.

I have the suspicion that the judgment scene especially from ancient Egypt is probably connected to the three zodiac signs called; Scorpio, and Libra, and Virgo.

These three signs are not so easy to interpret, there seems to be much more to them than meets the eye. In the ancient days of the Egyptians and other older cultures, they did not entirely use our modern version of the zodiac, even thou they were the creators of it. Actually the same Ptolemy family line which helped to write the New Testament also changed the zodiac very much from the old Egyptians conceptions of the heavens, especially the visual one.

Libra the Claw of Scorpio

Back in ancient days, Scorpio and Libra were actually one constellation. Libra is the claws of Scorpio, and the Scorpions heart is more important than its physical being. Libra is an empty space of unimportant stars and more, but though its reach to Virgos hand, it glows of justice. The part which you have just read, simply means; That the ancient people adored the "Heart of Scorpio," which is the star 'Antares'. Libra becomes an instrument of justice through the hand of Virgo, which is the star 'Spica.'


The Falcon/Eagle would be the third stage of scorpionic evolution, Ami. Also the uraeus snake you see on the forehead of Osiris is scorpionic kundalini wisdom. A regenerated man marked by Green.

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A large stone statue portraying a young pharaoh under the *watchful* protection of the subconscious falcon god Horus.(*behind the head, close to the spine*) The disk of the sun is above the child's head and he displays a wisdom serpent on his forehead.

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posted May 14, 2012 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mblake81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpio_%28astrology%29

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Body part-Genitals (Pelvic area, base of spine) Desire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kundalini

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Kundalini literally means coiled. In yoga, a "corporeal energy"- an unconscious, instinctive or libidinal force or Shakti, lies coiled at the base of the spine. It is envisioned either as a goddess or else as a sleeping serpent, hence a number of English renderings of the term such as 'serpent power'. The kundalini resides in the sacrum bone (Pelvic area) in three and a half coils and has been described as a residual power of pure desire.

http://www.souledout.org/cosmology/highlights/antares/antares.html

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Antares, marking the Scorpion's heart, is a red supergiant and the brightest star in Scorpio. The name Antares means "Rival of Ares," or "Rival of the Head, Rival of the Lamb" since Mars is the Roman name for Ares, the Greek god of war, and its red color gives it the appearance of the planet Mars. Red is the color of desire and this is the reddest star in the heavens; it symbolizes that red of desire underlying every manifestation of divine life.

Sex vs Thought, you might say.

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posted May 19, 2012 07:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Yes, many people feel as you do, Regardes. That is why I said it was controversial. I put it here NOT to argue but to offer it to those to whom it had value.I want to make that clear, not that you are arguing but it is here for the above reason, only. If people want to argue, that is fine.*I* just don't want to. I hope it may speak to someone. It is here for that one person, perhaps. I do not want to debate it, so I am saying that up front!


Yeah, I wasn't trying to argue or anything. Me being a Libra, of course, I just don't like to say that most things, with few exceptions, are all good or all bad. We like to be balanced; it's just kind of a "thing" with us.

So, basically, was just trying to point out (civilly and respectfully) that good and bad is to be found everywhere, along with shades of gray, and I'll leave it at that.

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