posted June 22, 2012 09:20 AM            

Russia will be with Iran. China will attack, separately.

The players are getting in their positions, at the moment.

At some point, Damascus will be rubble. It has never happened before, so it is not what is called Double Fufillment, when things can happen twice.

This makes Bible Prophecy tricky. A single fufillment is clear. I say this, not to wish ill on anyone, but to show the truth of the Bible, in ADVANCE of something happening, not in retrospect.

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posted June 22, 2012 03:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Not to be rude....

But what does that have to do with the Bible? I never saw China or Russia mentioned in the Bible.

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They totally are, if you study the Book of Revelation. The Book of Ezekial(sp) has much to say about it, as well as other Old Testament books, as well. Study it, if you care to.
Some of the Biblical names are, even, the same as Modern day names. Damascus, for example, is the same name as it, always, was. Other countries are described by their geography, or original people who settled there, such as Gomer which is Germany.

China is known as the Kings of the East. Persia is Iran. Every country is described as it is located from Israel, as the Bible is Israel centric.

You should Google it, Faith, as I don't have the time to really spoon feed people. If someone studies it, himself, I will help out, but I can't teach a whole class in Bible Prophecy LOL

Hal Lindsay and Grant Jeffries are two men who explain this in a clear way, accessible to everyone.
You can find info from Googling these men, as they are two of the top Biblical Scholars as far as prophecy. Then, get a Bible and look for yourself!

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posted June 22, 2012 10:07 PM            

Modern Christian authors, I don't really trust. Many are too politically-involved for my liking, and I put Hal Lindsey in that category.

He might be right, but I just lost interest in a lot of evangelicals when I saw what they were doing in the political realm.

But it was nice of you to explain.

posted June 22, 2012 11:09 PM            

I am not where I want to be, as a person, but my quest has ended.

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posted June 24, 2012 10:01 AM            

Let us remember Linguistics and interpretation before we rush to bibical judgement.

Care must also be taken to avoid personal and/or political bias. It is natural to seek to discover any great modern power or nation somewhere within the pages of Biblical prophecy.

The weakness of this type of argument is obvious: that a political regime is evil and powerful today is no indication that it will be a part of international crises tomorrow. When interpreting Scripture, personal and political bias must be set aside. The priority of the written Word demands that Scripture be allowed to speak for itself and interpreted by itself.

Gomer (GMR) has often been mistaken to refer to Germany because of a supposed similarity of linguistic construction. This position has two serious errors. One is that the "R" and "M" are reversed. Ezekiel wrote of GMR not GRM. The reversal is unwarranted linguistically. Furthermore, this similarity and inversion is based upon a comparison of Ezekiel's GMR with a modern English (from Latin) designation for Deutschland. Clearly, [b]the similarity is only superficial. These two errors rule out, absolutely, any possible identification of Gomer with Germany

However, GMR is well known to the ancient world as Gimarrai (GMR) of north central Asia Minor (Cappadocia). These people are also known as the Cimmerians (KMR, note the change in gutturals from "G" to "C"). This seems to be the simplest, most obvious interpretation.. http://www.biblicalstudies.com/bstudy/eschatology/ezekiel.htm

A simple mistake made and it goes on and on leading folks to believe in a false or error ridden prophecy.

posted June 24, 2012 10:27 AM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
Bibical prophecy is interpretation only and each author has one.

Let us remember Linguistics and interpretation before we rush to bibical judgement.

Care must also be taken to avoid personal and/or political bias. It is natural to seek to discover any great modern power or nation somewhere within the pages of Biblical prophecy.

The weakness of this type of argument is obvious: that a political regime is evil and powerful today is no indication that it will be a part of international crises tomorrow. When interpreting Scripture, personal and political bias must be set aside. The priority of the written Word demands that Scripture be allowed to speak for itself and interpreted by itself.

Gomer (GMR) has often been mistaken to refer to Germany because of a supposed similarity of linguistic construction. This position has two serious errors. One is that the "R" and "M" are reversed. Ezekiel wrote of GMR not GRM. The reversal is unwarranted linguistically. Furthermore, this similarity and inversion is based upon a comparison of Ezekiel's GMR with a modern English (from Latin) designation for Deutschland. Clearly, [b]the similarity is only superficial. These two errors rule out, absolutely, any possible identification of Gomer with Germany

However, GMR is well known to the ancient world as Gimarrai (GMR) of north central Asia Minor (Cappadocia). These people are also known as the Cimmerians (KMR, note the change in gutturals from "G" to "C"). This seems to be the simplest, most obvious interpretation.. http://www.biblicalstudies.com/bstudy/eschatology/ezekiel.htm

A simple mistake made and it goes on and on leading folks to believe in a false or error ridden prophecy.

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You are free to have your interpretation, but don't tell ME what to believe or HOW to say it! Start a thread with your own beliefs, if you want. That is what this Forum is for. Isn't it

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posted June 24, 2012 10:34 AM            

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You are free to have YOUR interpretation, but don't tell ME what to believe.

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Let us remember Linguistics and interpretation before we rush to bibical judgement.

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A note to be open minded rather than a BELIEVE ME attitude.

Also, remember Faith is participating as well here and the post was for her interest as well, not just you!!

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you edited but no matter.

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posted June 24, 2012 10:45 AM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
Clearly another misinterpretation of the written word
A note to be [b]open minded rather than a BELIEVE ME attitude.

Also, remember Faith is participating as well here and the post was for her interest as well, not just you!!

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Juni --The name is Divine Diversities! You can have your say for YOURSELF, not ME. I speak for myself, here and everywhere else. is that clear enough for you, Juni????? I have had this same problem with you on numerous occasions and I ignore you!

I will go back to ignoring you now, Juni, as you are very obnoxious to me

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posted June 24, 2012 12:40 PM            

Diviersities means just that: differing beliefs.

Divine means we have patience and wisdom when others believe differently.

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I will go back to ignoring you now, Juni, as you are very obnoxious to me

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that is an example of what is not Divine or diverse in the sense of Divine Diversity

posted June 24, 2012 12:57 PM            

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I say this, not to wish ill on anyone, but to show the truth of the Bible,

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I will post a differing thought because that`s what a discussion board is all about: discussing. It is not a place for personal truths to be forced on others without questioning or diverse opinion allowed.

Now you may go to Randall or RG & have this closed

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posted June 24, 2012 01:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Juni
I have shown great restraint with your personal attacks on me for a long period of time. I am saying it out loud, now. I don't like your personal attacks on me in all the various places you do them. It is low refinement and character, on your part, not mine. You make yourself look bad, Juni.

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posted June 24, 2012 03:00 PM            

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Just to be clear, if you have nothing nice to say, best to regrain from commenting at all. Thiis is not a site for anyone to shove their beliefs down the throats of others; nor will judging others be tolerated. I have found that those who do so tend to have plenty of skeletons and need to clean their own closets. Keep your judgmental opinions to yourself. And that goes for the Bible thumping also. This is not a Christian site. Lindaland is open to all beliefs, and tolerance is paramount here.

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It's not my job. If it were my job, I'd have quit by now. But it's my Calling, so you can't quit your Heart. There are many Christians here--just as there are other religions and belief systems represented--but no one here is allowed to put down another's beliefs or shove theirs onto others.

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posted June 24, 2012 04:44 PM            

I don't want to limit freedom of expression, but it seems like things are getting a bit heated and tense here.

This is not a personal attack on either side. I am not taking anyone's side here. I just honestly feel like this is getting way off topic and like the tension here might escalate too much. So, this is NOT being closed to silence anyone or anything like that. I do enjoy discussions about differing interpretations. However, as I said, things are getting too heated. Perhaps I can re-open or else start a new thread, or bump an old one that's a bit less intense.

For now, I'll close, and depending on how things are, I may re-open if I feel like things have cooled down.

Again, NOT an attack on anyone. Both of you are definitely welcome to post on other topics and I enjoy the contributions here.

Another idea would be to maybe start a similar thread on GU, since that forum is more open to really heated discussion and lends itself better to that kind of atmosphere. Plus, given the political nature (i.e., countries mentioned), maybe it would find a good home there.

As for discussions, the Bible is a very tricky set of books. I would want this sub-forum to be open to different ideas, different interpretations, and discussions.

However, as I said, it's getting really intense, and I feel like the topic needs a bit of a time-out before it can be revisited.