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posted June 26, 2012 09:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This morning, had a thought.... that I needed a message and so i asked for one. With eyes closed and fingers on keypad I "asked" it (in my mind) and then randomly let my fingers quickly punch out some letters and see what google turned up.

It turned out to be a gibberish word, but google asked

did you mean:

and the closest word, i guess was:

JIREH

So I said, yes...sure.....i must have meant that, since the other one makes no sense. lol

So, i clicked that link to see what it was about.

Here was my message:

the meaning is:

The Lord Who Provides.

The name is literally, The Lord Who Sees, or The Lord Who Will See To It

Jehovah-Jireh means; the Lord Who will see to it that my every need is met. One Who knows my need because He sees.
http://bible.org/seriespage/compound-names-jehovah-jireh-rapha-nissi-session-60

What's pretty amazing is that it fits totally in with what's going on right now. That "answer" made total, absolute sense and brought me a sense of calmness.

Now I just have to wait to see how it will play out.

It made me break out in a childlike smile when I read it. Like I knew it was a definite message...loud and clear....it brought me back to center...even though I'm not a very religious person these days. It still rang true and I felt it had meaning.

Thought I'd share.

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posted June 26, 2012 10:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Who else wants to try?

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posted June 26, 2012 10:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Your search - 'fkmbfffffffmdlfkgX - did not match any documents.

Suggestions:

Make sure all words are spelled correctly.
Try different keywords.
Try more general keywords.


WHATEVER, Google!

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posted June 26, 2012 10:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
omg!!

try again tomorrow?

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posted June 27, 2012 12:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
T: WOW I love that!

Yin:

Ok now I'm going to try this in real time, hang on...

No luck with long words so I typed dksei and the first English result was for a YouTube video...hang on, let me make sure it's clean...OK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fod-_5dKSeI

Awesome. Is this Turkish? That guy sounds like he's dying, without teeth, but the music is peppy.

Lesson I take away from this, since I don't understand the lyrics: you can be happy while sad.

The music will go on!

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posted June 27, 2012 05:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted June 27, 2012 06:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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That guy sounds like he's dying,

He kind of does.

I like the lesson you pulled out of it Faith.

Was thinking....maybe this works better when you have something important going on that you want an answer to or insight on.

So far it's looking pretty positive here. I'll know for sure by weeks end.

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posted June 27, 2012 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is a song Jehovah Jireh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSDByrcWQV8

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posted June 27, 2012 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I just tried it I just got led to the GNU Project (which I knew about yet I might actually find it helpful and so should take a closer look at it...)

But I thought I'd share what someone else told me. He was on a journey and stuck at a motel when he went to a fast food place. Someone was panhandling outside and he went in ignoring her but after he ate he went back on some wild impulse (he said he wasn't getting a lot of sleep at the time and it made him a little weird) and got a "to go" meal and put the change in the sack and then went out and gave it to the panhandler who thanked him. He still felt like a sucker as he went back as he had little money and needed to make it last as long as possible and kicked himself over it, and finally, bored out of his mind and trying to stop thinking about it he opened the motel Bible and just opened it at random and came to this in Matthew:

quote:
25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me


He said that was the very first thing he saw as he opened it randomly. He's not even a Christian but it made him stop kicking himself for giving that panhandler money and a meal.

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posted June 27, 2012 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ The Bible is loaded with good stuff.

I'm just mystified that anyone would feel bad for helping a down-and-outer.

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posted June 27, 2012 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Ami. I will have a listen tomorrow.

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posted June 27, 2012 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pixie jane, thanks for sharing that person's experience. Funny how things work sometimes.

Maybe he realized, if you have something, and someone else is in need, it's always best to give it. Even if that will leave you with nothing.

reminds me of a story
that i will see if i can find..

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It is said of one Zen master, one Zen sage.... He lived in a small hut three or four miles outside a village. One night he found that a thief had entered his hut. He was very much disturbed, because there was nothing in the house, and this thief had traveled for three or four miles in the night and he would have to go back empty-handed. The sage started weeping and crying. The thief also became concerned. He said, "What has happened? Why are you crying so much? Are you disturbed that I may take something from your hut?"

The sage said, "No, that is not the thing, I am disturbed because there is nothing here. At least you could have been a little more gentlemanly, you could have informed me before; I would have arranged something for you to steal. There is nothing – what will you think of me? And this is such an honor, that you traveled three or four miles in this night, this cold night, to come to my hut. No one has given such an honor to me before. I am just a beggar and you have made me a king, just by the idea that something can be stolen from me. And there is nothing, so I am crying. So what should I do now? You can take my blanket."

He had only one blanket, otherwise he was naked, just under his blanket he was naked. And the night was very cold. He said to the thief, "Please have some compassion on me and don’t say no, because I have nothing else to give to you. Take this blanket, and whenever you again think of visiting, just send a hint. I am poor, but still I will arrange something."

The thief could not understand what was happening, but he saw the man crying and weeping so he took compassion on him; he couldn’t say no. He took the blanket and disappeared. And that night this Zen monk wrote a small haiku, in which he said... he was sitting still at his window, the night was cool, cold, the full moon was in the sky, and he says in his haiku:
God
if I could give this moon
to that thief....
This is the mind of a sage, or, the no-mind. With this same sage, again another thief happened to come to his hut. He was writing a letter, so he looked at the thief and said,
"For what have you come? What do you want?"
And this sage was so innocent that even the thief couldn’t tell a lie. So he said, "Looking at you, so mirror like, so innocent like a child, I cannot tell a lie. Should I tell the truth?"
The sage said, "Yes."
He said, "I have come to steal something."
The sage said, "There in that corner I have got a few rupees. You can take them" – and then he started to write his letter again.

The thief took the money, was trying to go out, and then the sage said, "Stop! When somebody gives you something you should thank him. The money may not be of much help, but thanking a person will go a long way and will be of help to you. So thank me!" The thief thanked him and disappeared into the dark.

Later on the thief was caught, and it was discovered that he had been to this sage’s hut also, so the sage was called to the court. The sage said, "Yes, I know this man very well – but he has never stolen anything from me. I gave him some rupees and he thanked me for them. It is finished, it was nothing wrong. The whole thing is finished, the account is closed. I gave him some money and he thanked me for it. He is not a thief."

This mind, or no-mind, of a sage is the base.
------------Love reference- Osho: Vedanta - Seven Steps to Samadhi

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posted June 27, 2012 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
not to imply that homeless people are theives, but it came to mind for some reason...

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posted June 27, 2012 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
btw, i found out early today that what I was asking about, has worked out in my favor.

Even if it didnt, I would still be thankful. I've taken it as it wasnt meant to be and the message really was spot on and meaningful.

If we can't be thankful for the 'bad' things that 'happen' to us as well as the good, then our gratitude is not deep enough.

Nice that I got what I was hoping for though. But even if I didnt, I'd have been okay with it.

Seems people are often only thankful to God for the good things that happen when sometimes you are in a tough position for a reason and are supposed to be just as thankful for that. For the growing/learning expereince.

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posted June 27, 2012 11:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Seems people are often only thankful to God for the good things that happen when sometimes you are in a tough position for a reason and are supposed to be just as thankful for that. For the growing/learning expereince.

So people should be grateful for rape, abuse, torture, experiencing the senseless horrifying death of a child or a gulag or death camp?

I'm sure there are some writings out there that would say "yes" but I can understand why others would take offense at such a message. Most people reject the part of the Bible where God has David's wives or concubines raped in front of him as punishment as it's too evil and horrifying and they couldn't worship such a god so they desperately try to ignore passages like that when they can and invent absurd rationalizations for it when they're forced to confront it. I know if someone raped me just to make me stronger or whatever, I'd hate them no matter how noble their intentions were (that is they sincerely believed I was being helped instead of harmed), and it wouldn't matter if it was a sick man who did it to me or God/dess.

And given that I have been raped and tortured as well as knowing people who suffered permanent physical and psychological damage from such things (and my best friend died after being gang raped from being forced to take hard drugs that were too much for her to handle) and so many other things I could mention I'm impressed with myself for not being infuriated at the concept right now. I think it helps that I'm an air sign first and foremost and also don't believe in such a god or that it was inflicted on me (or anyone else) for my (or their) own good (and also assume most people don't think of things like that when they say things like "Everything happens for the greater good because God wills it for our benefit and we should be thankful no matter what").

ETA: And a quote from Luisah Teish that I love: "The more I listened to what they had to say about the Great Bearded White Man in the Sky the more I realized that he was no one I could talk to. You couldn't say nothing to the dude. He didn't answer prayers. He could go off on you at any minute and you were supposed to be grateful no matter what he did. This is nobody who made any kind of sense to me in my naivety. So I put him down and hung with Mary [the mother of God]."

ETA2: And a scene I'm reminded of (with the appropriate response IMO. given that the way he created him and gave him his strength of will was to slaughter his village, behead his mother right in front of him, and then sell him into slavery as a child just to steal a blacksmith's secrets):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj2JORdzs1g

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posted June 27, 2012 11:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi. Wow, I wasnt thinking along those lines. Sorry to have upset you and to hear what you went through.

What I was thinking about when I wrote that is how often people are thankful to god only when they receive some sort of blessing - then god is good, but when something goes wrong, suddenly their faith disappears and they curse him. Or when things don't turn out the way they expected, they might not realize that it was not meant to turn out the way they had hoped or prayed for.

I'm not saying people should be thankful they were raped or tortured. That wasnt what I was trying to imply and I wasnt thinking of those kinds of scenarios when i wrote what I did.

I'd try to put it into better words, but I've had one hell of a busy day and not had much sleep and am really wiped out right now. Just finally got off the phone with someone who talked my ear off and drained the life force out of me. Havent eaten much all day either, so I need to do that and go to bed at some point soon.

I personally am not fixed in my views on a god of any sort and go back and forth with that whole concept too often.

Anyway, sorry to have upset you. I hear where youre coming from.


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posted June 27, 2012 11:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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"The more I listened to what they had to say about the Great Bearded White Man in the Sky the more I realized that he was no one I could talk to. You couldn't say nothing to the dude. He didn't answer prayers. He could go off on you at any minute and you were supposed to be grateful no matter what he did. This is nobody who made any kind of sense to me in my naivety. So I put him down and hung with Mary [the mother of God]."

I like.

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posted June 28, 2012 06:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hi. Wow, I wasnt thinking along those lines. Sorry to have upset you and to hear what you went through.

What I was thinking about when I wrote that is how often people are thankful to god only when they receive some sort of blessing - then god is good, but when something goes wrong, suddenly their faith disappears and they curse him. Or when things don't turn out the way they expected, they might not realize that it was not meant to turn out the way they had hoped or prayed for.

I'm not saying people should be thankful they were raped or tortured. That wasnt what I was trying to imply and I wasnt thinking of those kinds of scenarios when i wrote what I did.


One of the things that I honestly struggle with as a Christian is how some people avoid bad things altogether, some narrowly escape them and have miracles, some people have bad things happen and turn out better for them, and others just get the crap beat out of them by life for no apparent reason.

It doesn't make me stop believing in God, but it is something that I struggle with.

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On the earth, according to the Bible, we see through a glass darkly which means there are things we can't know. The charts are closest thing to knowing I have found. That is why I love them so much. It is touching God, to me.

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What I was thinking about when I wrote that is how often people are thankful to god only when they receive some sort of blessing - then god is good, but when something goes wrong, suddenly their faith disappears and they curse him. Or when things don't turn out the way they expected, they might not realize that it was not meant to turn out the way they had hoped or prayed for

Oh yeah, I know what you mean, the people that treat the divine like it's some enslaved genie to grant their wishes and be their personal bodyguard (for example, "God is bigger than any mugger"). I'm not sure if it's epic naivete or arrogance (especially when they assume that God/dess will back them in hurting someone else and then protect them from the consequences of their own actions as a surprising number of people do), but I am sure it's not only disrespectful but dangerous (as it can inspire recklessness that harms the believer or others and in one case I know of a person was so brainwashed to pray and have faith and not stand up for herself that she missed the opportunity to kill a serial rapist and not only suffered extreme trauma and decades of horrid nightmares and panic attacks from it but later met other victims at the police station when helping identify the suspect, victims who would never had suffered had she used her weapon as she briefly thought of doing instead of praying to God for deliverance as she "was supposed to"). There are sayings from all over the world that pretty much say, "Tie your camel and THEN trust in God (to keep your camel from wandering off)." I don't understand why this is such a hard concept for so many people to understand.

I knew some Russians who escaped Soviet Russia, one of them from Stalin's times (yeah, even in 2000 when I met her she was already a great, great grandmother and she'd been a child when she escaped) and she shared a story so horrific that I feel hesitant to share it, but it left me both humbled and amazed that she felt such compassion for me (a 17-year-old runaway at the time). Suffice to say she witnessed people she loved tortured (some to death, either by not toughing it out or through suicide), the pets (including her beloved cat, named Caspian IIRC) was killed and eaten along with the livestock, rape by soldiers (and as a child she stabbed one who was raping her mother, IIRC, and then had to be saved from the enraged, adrenaline-filled soldier by her mother or whoever she saved who was no longer being raped because he was too busy trying to kill the girl who stabbed him, and then she saw the soldier she stabbed dead, and though she knew she did the right thing she had nightmares of seeing that dead soldier for decades after), saw and experienced starvation (it was during the forced collectivization of the farms that created epic famine), and at some point they ran, they were pursued & shot at and she saw people die or left behind wounded to be captured, but they finally made it to Germany and then after a long process made it to America with others who wished to practice the Russian Orthodox faith.

And that brings me to the important part: their theology (though I'm oversimplifying, it's a lot more complex than this) is that as the world crucified Christ, it would crucify them. That is, they expected to suffer for showing love, mercy, and Godliness. God didn't protect them from that, God gave them the strength to get through it. American Christianity baffled them so much (especially the denominations that taught that God would make you rich, they couldn't even find the words to describe to me how ridiculous it was to them) and were completely gobsmacked by televangelists and the like. The Russian Orthodox do believe in miracles but it has important differences (for example, I saw a woman with cancer touch the priest's robes during part of the Pascha celebration because it was believed that the priest and symbols manifested God and as this was the power that resurrected Jesus and healed the sick then maybe it could heal her as well and I could see the hope and reverence in her eyes, but at the same time it's understood that for whatever reason it won't always happen, and there's no obligation for it to).

The important part here is that God is real to them but their faith is that through Godliness God will give them the strength and support to get through this Earth, this veil of tears, and the real hope is Heaven.

And they're Russians. For better and for worse (and I'm speaking in general terms of course) they've got a long, long history that continues to this day that teaches them to accept the unfairness of the world, and its sometimes mind boggling cruelty.

And thing is, it DID work for them, at least those I knew (I don't doubt that many Russians DID lose their faith). But God didn't do it to them, instead God walked them through it. That's the important difference.

It's not without its flaws of course. For example, it sometimes inspired fatalism (especially as the church taught--though those who fled Russia did change their theology on this somewhat--that the Earthly rulers were there by God's blessing so some Russians literally saw even Stalin as God's representation on Earth and he must therefore be respected and obeyed as much as possible with only a few exceptions, otherwise how could God have let him come to power?). And the old lady I mentioned above? A great granddaughter of hers won't have anything to do with her and her family because she's a lesbian and she knows it would hurt her too much, which I've found sad for both of them (too bad it wasn't Russian Wicca instead ). But for its weaknesses it has helped many people through the ages not only survive mind boggling cruelty and hardship but even keeps their hope and compassion (*) alive within them as well, and that's pretty amazing to me. (*As for compassion, the Russian Orthodox church has also inspired cruelty at times as well, as well as served to bolster tyrannical regimes, but I suppose that's like how fires keep people warm, fed, and alive but sometimes can get out of control and cause vast destruction.)

Oh, yes, one other weakness: a long, long memory. It cracks me up, but I've met Russian Orthodox who don't like Catholics not for any reason I'd consider valid or for theological differences (though there's that, too, and some of it that's such a huge deal to them is so subtle a difference to me that I had to have it explained to me multiple times before I think I came to understand it), but for things like what Catholic Crusaders did to Constantinople several centuries ago (known as Istanbul today), who were actually Greek Orthodox rather than Russian (though they see themselves as the heirs to the one true faith after Constantinople fell to the Muslims, and strangely they even celebrate a day when a miracle saved the city from Russian invaders when even the Greek Orthodox don't celebrate it), and they still remember...and while they may forgive (sometimes...) they don't seem inclined to forget. Being raised as an American (with no real sense of continuity that far back into the past) that blows my mind and for some reason strikes me as funny. That said, I do consider this long memory a weakness as it can hold people back and keep them divided over stupid things our ancestors did.

But I did get a Russian Orthodox to laugh right after Benedict XVI became Pope in 2005, and she wondered out loud what he'd do in a tone that said she didn't think it was good he was pope. I'd replied with something like, "Maybe he's so conservative that he'll renounce the Filioque and apologize on behalf of the Western church for acting above the council by arbitrarily acting as the sole arbiter of truth." She thought that was hilarious. I got a grin out of thinking it, but she really laughed loud and long. So at least the distant, historical memories aren't so bitter that they can't laugh about it.

Oops, I went on way too long. I should go back to bed. I think I will.

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Pixie Jane, that was really interesting--not too long at all!

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posted June 29, 2012 08:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is a wonderful thread !

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posted June 30, 2012 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
PJ, thanks for sharing all of that. I'll get back with some thoughts at some point soon.

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