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Ami Anne
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posted August 30, 2012 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The main thing I see with people who don't seem to be able to understand the Bible, even though they have studied it for years is because they mix up Dispensations.

If you do this, the Bible will become split pea soup

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posted August 30, 2012 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When man was first created, there was NO law. Man did not know he was separate from God. However, after the fall, when man disobeyed, man had the human nature within him( as a result of the fall)

There was still no law. Hence, every man took the law in his own hands and it was a wild time with murder and all sorts of things.

Hence, God gave the law, which was the next dispensation.

Then, when Jesus came, HE became our law, so it is now the Age of Grace.

The nest Dispensation after this is the Tribulation, when God will pour His Wrath out on the unbelieving world.

After that is the Millenium. This error, as well as mixing up groups of people makes the Bible impossible to understand.


Then, one must separate the Jews from the Gentile and see the role of each and how each fits into the various Dispensations.

With all that, the Bible becomes relatively simple to understand with a modicum of study.

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posted August 30, 2012 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

For discussion's sake:

1) Why was Daniel told to seal the words of his prophecy for the time of the end (Daniel 12:4,9), but John was told to NOT seal his prophecy, because the time was at hand (Revelation 22:10)?

2) If Revelation was not to be sealed, but Daniel was to be sealed because it was for many days (Daniel 10:14), then many days are only 500 years, and if that is true, how can "at hand" be for 2000 years?

3) Is the new heaven and earth before the 1000 years (2nd Peter 3) or after the 1000 years (Revelation 21)?

4) Why is there no noticeable difference between the "rapture" texts and the "2nd coming" texts?

5) How can Jesus' kingdom be physical when Jesus rejected a physical kingdom in John 6:15 and Pilate did not believe he was going to establish a physical kingdom which would overthrow Rome (Luke 23:14)?

6) Why did Jesus go back to heaven after his resurrection, if he really wanted to establish an earthly kingdom?

7) Why didn't Jesus stay on earth if he wanted to establish an earthly kingdom?

8) How can Jesus' kingdom be set up in earthly Jerusalem, when Jesus himself said the hour was coming when worshipping God would NOT be in Jerusalem (John 4:21)?

9) Why would Jesus' kingdom be set up in earthly Jerusalem, knowing Jesus condemned their city several times (Matthew 21-25)?

10) Why would Jesus' kingdom be set up in earthly Jerusalem, even though Paul said earthly Jerusalem was bondage and the old covenant (Galatians 4:24-25)?

11) How can Jesus' kingdom have not yet come, when John the baptist, Jesus Christ and the apostles all declared the "kingdom of God is at hand" (Matthew 3:2, 4:17, 10:7)?

12) How can Jesus' kingdom be seen by everyone when Jesus himself said it comes NOT with observation (Luke 17:20)?

13) How can Jesus' kingdom be seen by everyone when Paul said it is NOT meat and drink, but righteousness, joy, and peace in the Holy Spirit (Romans 14:17)?

14) How can Jesus' kingdom be worldly/earthly, when Jesus himself said "My kingdom is not of this world" in John 18:36?

15) How can the "millennial" kingdom of God be of the Jews when Jesus himself said he took the kingdom away from them and gave it to the gentiles who produce the fruits (Matthew 21:43)?

16) If Jesus took the kingdom from the Jews and gave it to the gentiles, why is there no scripture to show another transfer back to the jews?

17) If God was going to go back to the jews/national Israel, why does Deuteronomy 28 vividly describe the events of 70 AD which proves that God DESTROYED national Israel forever because they rejected his ordinances and commandments?

18) Why is there not a shred of proof that modern jews are descendants of Abraham or the tribes of Israel?

19) Why is there much more evidence that modern jews are people descended from the gentile kingdom of Khazaria, who simply practice judaism?

20) If there is a 2000+ year gap between the 69th and 70th week of Daniel, why doesn't Daniel, or any other scripture mention it?

21) Wouldn't that mean if there was a gap between the 69th and 70th week, according to Deuteronomy 18, that Daniel's prophecy did NOT come to pass as he said and therefore he was a false prophet?

22) If there is a 2000+ year gap between the 4th kingdom and the made up "5th kingdom" in Daniel 2 and 7, why doesn't Daniel or any other scripture mention it?

23) How can there be a 2000+ year gap between the 4th and "5th" kingdom, but all the previous kingdoms were consecutive with no gaps?

24) If the 70th week is still in the future, why did Jesus say "the time is fulfilled" in Mark 1:15?

25) If the 70th week is still in the future, why were there jews in expectation of the Messiah - Luke 3:15?
http://www.biblicalpreteristarchive.com/statements/70-Qs.htm

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Ami Anne
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posted August 30, 2012 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is too much. You can ask me one simple question, at a time, if you want.

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posted August 30, 2012 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
That is too much. You can ask me one simple question, at a time, if you want.


Ami Anne, I doubt it would matter..

There are many identifiable problems with Dispensational Theology, my point is, they should at least be heard of whether one agrees with them or not.

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posted August 30, 2012 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You and I are diametrically opposed, Padre. There is no use in wasting anyone's
time when there is no genuine dialogue.
Blessing to you, Padre

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posted August 31, 2012 12:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I'm never opposed to a fam member in the
Faith Ami A!

What I am saying is hear the other side, listen, then decide, do not be spoon fed by

ANYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do not care for titles or authorship, seek the truth in your own heart and spirit and always rely upon both of those, and the love that Christ offers us all.

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posted August 31, 2012 08:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am going to say something controversial( and I am going to be writing some articles on it, which I likely will not share here) However, we are not members in the same faith, Brother.

In the end times, there will be a 'different gospel". There will be ONE united "church" of all faiths that is the Big Uberchurch. This is the false church.

This is written about in the Book of Revelation. However, if you throw out Dispensations and you replace the Jews with the Church( Replacement Theology), you will never understand the Book of Revelation.

That is why your theology is all muddy and has to be pseudo esoteric and mine is clear as a bell

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posted August 31, 2012 08:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a Series on my website called "Going out on a Limb" where I put controversial things that would stir up too much dissension on LL. I am going to use some of our discussions n GU as a springboard for some more articles, there, but will tone it down for LL.

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posted August 31, 2012 09:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is how the Born Again Christian/Messianic Jewish person views their relationship with Jesus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICxIWulmsDo

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posted August 31, 2012 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Funny, one claims that the Word backs up what you believe, when it clearly does not, it relies on inference and pop Christianity.

As I recall, John instructs us to test the spirit:

"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world."

Indeed, rapture teaching and dispensationalism are recent man made thoughts, I suggest one takes John's advice and test what I wrote for onesself.

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posted August 31, 2012 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Padre35:

Funny, one claims that the Word backs up what you believe, when it clearly does not, it relies on inference and pop Christianity.

As I recall, John instructs us to test the spirit:

"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world."

Indeed, rapture teaching and dispensationalism are recent man made thoughts, I suggest one takes John's advice and test what I wrote for onesself.


I think I am not going to continue this discussion with you, as I do not want what you have. If you don't want what I have, it is a waste of time and I have a lot of things I would rather do than waste time

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posted August 31, 2012 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Blessings and peace, Padre

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posted August 31, 2012 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

And to you as well Ami A!

Procedaemus in Pacem!

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