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posted February 09, 2013 11:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
....this is not what Jesus would do. Would he?

*edit, I'm sorry if you missed this post. If you know what I'm talking about, you can continue to discuss, but otherwise, until proven guilty (which we all know she is) I'm taking the details out.

Wonder what kinds of transits she's going through. Can't be a good time in her life.

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posted February 09, 2013 11:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In Christianity, does a cat killer still have a place in Heaven?

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posted February 10, 2013 12:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for whitewitch111     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lol, I think you're looking too much into this, I think anyone of any religion would say that. (I am not christian I am a pagan Wiccan of the goddess Brigid)

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posted February 10, 2013 04:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was raised amongst a Catholic family, man 'o man! They themselves were raised to believe that by purely going to church that their souls were protected. Furthermore they separated themselves from non Christians in an egotistic sense and that is how deep their faith goes. (IME) Not to mention the martyrs for seeking recognition in the catholic community. It pretty much stopped there for them, since their faith didn't sink deep enough to make them honest. They seemed to think their thoughts and their judgements of right and wrong were some how separate too, like God couldn't hear their secret snarls and hatred toward other beings.

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posted February 10, 2013 04:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great point, Sun Child! I bet God is seeing that, and a whole lot more... I know "heathens" who are more christian than Christians. Faith isn't a thing you believe with the mind, it's what lives in your heart. T, your artist friend has a division between mind and heart... Lord! Unite our hearts. Help us to be better people! and extend kindness to animals.

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posted February 10, 2013 05:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by T:
In Christianity, does a cat killer still have a place in Heaven?

Yes. In Christianity all sins are equal, so if you look at someone and think that person is hot and become aroused (Jesus says this counts as adultery in Matthew 5:28, to be tempted is just as bad as giving in to temptation) then you might as well kill a child and rape the corpse in front of the child's mother (btw, one Serbian Orthodox sniper bragged of killing a Muslim mother and child, shooting the child in the head and the mother in the gut so the mother would see her child die before she did, and he BRAGGED about it thinking Jesus had no problem with it, or if he did then that God would forgive him), it's all the same in God's eyes, and the cure is the same: the blood of Jesus. It's all part of that superior moral compass they brag about having.

Ok, I have heard "there's a special place in Hell" for certain people and then there's Dante's Inferno, but most vocal Christians pretty much believed it was all about the same, at least in the eyes of God, and that you're not saved by works but by grace via accepting Jesus. So if you're not a Christian then you're going to eternal torment while that cat killer is going to eternal bliss (and some Christians really believe they'll enjoy watching the torment of those in Hell, though others less evil comfort themselves in believing that God will rape their memory so that they don't remember anyone who didn't make it into Heaven with them).

That said, I think it's an extremely rare Christian (at least in this day and age) to thump the Bible to justify killing a cat. That is they'll either not think about it (anymore than they'd worry themselves over killing a rat) or if they do then I think they're more likely to pray forgiveness for it and it's cool (which reminds me of the South Park ep I wanted to ask about in another thread, ah well, maybe tomorrow...). Interesting enough it's not unknown for at least a few Christians to kill cats as a threat or warning to people they feel are evil or Satanic, which I read about in descriptions of the Satanic Panics, and a Wiccan I knew suffered her cats being poisoned after fundies turned on her as well.

But it's not just them that do things like that:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/09/cat-buried-in-concrete-colorado-city-a z_n_1660320.html

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posted February 10, 2013 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally post by T:
The most insane people I have met in my life have been Christians or Born Agains.
Same in my experience/observations.
Hmmmmmmm.......all the insane people I know of are rabid Christians who preach constantly about the rapture and other bullshite.

The thing is;
in the bibles Jesus is not a nice guy for the most part.
Nor is god after Genesis one.
Words and deeds are attributed to both God and Jesus that are not true.
Yeshua (Jesus)
was not a raving ego maniac as depicted in most of the New Testament.

However the rabid Christians take the bibles literally so consider the insane texts that they adhere blindly to,
to justify every atrocity possible.
Check this out; http://www.nobeliefs.com/jesus.htm
It is extremely revolting and not about the real Yeshua/Jesus but the lunatic written lies and bullshite attributed to him falsely.

I will return to comment more A.S.A.P.

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posted February 10, 2013 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This reminds me of a true Christian Baptist Minister I had for a neighbor.

I had a snake on the tree limb with my hummingbird feeder. Terrified, I ask him to come get the snake and dispose of it. He told me he was a man of God and didn`t believe in killing living creatures. Later that summer, his Golden Retriever was injured by porcupine quills. I saw him with his shotgun and ask him what was going on and he said " a porcupine is running in the area , it hurt my dog so I`m going to shoot him so other dogs don`t get hurt". Dumbfounded, all I could was gape at him. Hypocrite!! I was so angry I couldn`t speak or look at him again and I wanted to tell his congregation of his hypocrisy.

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posted February 10, 2013 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What does one expect fro a religion which follows not the God of Genesis
One,
but a jealous blood thirsty LORD of second Genesis onward.
quote:
Exodus 29:18 And thou shalt burn the whole ram upon the altar: it is a burnt offering unto the LORD: it is a sweet savour, an offering made by fire unto the LORD. (KJV)

Exodus 29:36 And thou shalt offer every day a bullock for a sin offering for atonement: and thou shalt cleanse the altar, when thou hast made an atonement for it, and thou shalt anoint it, to sanctify it. (KJV)

Leviticus 1:9 But his inwards and his legs shall he wash in water: and the priest shall burn all on the altar, to be a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD. (KJV)

Leviticus 23:27 Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD. (KJV)



The false god, LORD;
rejected the gentle Cain's fruit and grains and vegetable offering and instead blessed and accepted the bloody burnt flesh offered by Abel.
Yet in first Genesis God, not the insane LORD;
supposedly said this:
quote:
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.


So yeah, animal slaughter even if not for food and not for defense;
is indeed A-OK according the the false god
the Christians follow, not the God from first Genesis who clearly supposedly said otherwise.

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posted February 10, 2013 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for your thoughts guys.

I already know my answers and was not exactly asking those questions seriously - just ranting and disgusted about what I heard has gone on. (she's not my friend, mirage and especially not now) - others have told me what's gone on and her hatred for cats. She admits to poisoning them and doesnt feel bad at all about doing it.

I just can't wrap my brain around that type of thing. No matter what religion you are, that type of thing is never okay.

After my last few enounters with people of that religion, as soon as i hear the word now and that someone is, i run the other way.

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posted February 10, 2013 07:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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They themselves were raised to believe that by purely going to church that their souls were protected. Furthermore they separated themselves from non Christians in an egotistic sense and that is how deep their faith goes.

They seemed to think their thoughts and their judgements of right and wrong were some how separate too, like God couldn't hear their secret snarls and hatred toward other beings.


Exactly!

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posted February 10, 2013 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's some whacked out sh*t PJ.

THanks for sharing.

I'm too tired to respond more atm. bbasp....

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posted February 10, 2013 07:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Well, from the outside looking in, mass posioning of neighborhood cats shows a lack of love in their hearts.

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posted February 10, 2013 07:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know if it's "mass poisonings", but from what I've heard it's been more than once. I'm not sure of how many. Not typing out the rest of the details here even though I know more. It's sick for anyone to do, but especially someone who portrays themselve as a god loving/fearing person. I'm sure some fellow Christians would be horrified to know about it.

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posted February 11, 2013 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The cat's here have their groups/families/gangs. I am currently taking care of around 7 of them, regularly. She lives near a sweet old woman who always has to ton of them in her yard. This old woman also has many that congregate to her house, and she lives closer to "Cat Killer Lady" than I do. I notice different groups of the same ones hanging around different areas of the neighborhood (as they band together and are territorial)....they claim their spaces and stick together. They all keep to their respective spaces throughout the neighborhood.

None of mine have died yet. I'll be doing something about this woman in my own quiet way - i mean reporting her. That's all I'll say for now.

ps -- Going to get back to a few other posts here when I have more time. Thank you for your replies.

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posted February 11, 2013 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I recently heard on a radio show that cats will be attracted to certain people, who have a certain kind of energy. I'd wondered why all my life they've loved me, even unfriendly ones. I attract cats like crazy and never knew why. Something in my aura, I guess. I wish I was not allergic to them, or else I'd have some. My dog likes them too.

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posted February 11, 2013 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I recently heard on a radio show that cats will be attracted to certain people, who have a certain kind of energy. I'd wondered why all my life they've loved me, even unfriendly ones. I attract cats like crazy and never knew why. Something in my aura, I guess. I wish I was not allergic to them, or else I'd have some. My dog likes them too.

Same here, they tend to adopt me, the dog doesn't mind unless he thinks I'm giving "his" food to them.

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posted February 11, 2013 07:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My dog will sometimes eat the cat food only because she sees them eating it (a few pieces anyway). Otherwise she wants nothing to do with non human food. It's something we are working on. She needs to start eating her dog food.

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posted February 11, 2013 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by T:
I recently heard on a radio show that cats will be attracted to certain people, who have a certain kind of energy. I'd wondered why all my life they've loved me, even unfriendly ones. I attract cats like crazy and never knew why. Something in my aura, I guess. I wish I was not allergic to them, or else I'd have some. My dog likes them too.

I have the potential to become a cat lady.

I don't know if I attract cats or not but more than one stray has come to me for help, even when there was a cat lady less than a block from me, and I understand that's rare. One fiercely independent tom even came to me just to have a place to die and walked into my home as if he lived there.

I dream of cats a lot, and one of the weirdest thing is that the one true prescient dream (that is literal and without symbolism) was of me feeding a stray cat. The dream wasn't entirely accurate in unimportant details in that I didn't leave the library as in the dream but walked past it (it was closed) and the Catholic Church wasn't lit up for Christmas as in the dream but Easter. Other than that it was perfect. And I can think of no reason for me to have had it for my reaction wasn't changed in the least...and I can certainly think of better things for me to get a heads up about.

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posted February 12, 2013 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I suppose things like Bible verses printed on sniper rifles for the military may be disturbing (and no, it's not any of the 10 commandments like "thou shall not kill" or anything like the Golden Rule), but this struck me as pretty funny:

I recall how children growing up being cruel to each other would say (as "good Christians") that they "loved" whoever they liked tormenting as "a brother/sister in Christ, but not as a person." This somehow made it ok to torment them and made them think they were still good Christians. And maybe that's why I found that Calvin comic funny.

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posted February 12, 2013 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, and how can I forget that classic sticker (and I think even song) of theirs?

"Not perfect, just forgiven."
http://www.zazzle.com/not_perfect_just_forgiven_bumper_sticker-128572654063123743

It really explains why they can break their own commandments time & time again with their "get out of Hell free" card (they really believe in getting their blood money's worth) even as they think the rest of us should obey (at least until we accept Jesus when we get out of Hell free, too, with the notable exception of the mob rule which says repeated divorces is acceptable despite Jesus saying that's almost always adultery in the eyes of God and thus later marriages as sinful as gay marriage but gay marriage is not, because the mob wants to be able to divorce and start over "just in case" but as they have no compassion or morals they're willing to bully everyone on issues that aren't likely to adversely affect them personally as it makes them feel oh-so-righteous).

Anyway, that bumper sticker slogan is what your cat killer is likely to say.

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posted February 13, 2013 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for piscesfishgoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what does Jesus have to do with some idiot who misrepresents his name thousands of years later? Quit blaming or even putting Jesus' name with these retards.

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posted February 16, 2013 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pixie, thanks for sharing those. I've met many of the same type and also dislike the whole "get out of Hell free" card they often pull. I believe forgiveness starts and ends with self. No one can take away your "sins" for you. In the end you face everything youve done and judge and forgive yourself and learn and grow from it. There are no free passes in life and you are responsible for yourself and your actions. That's what I think anyway. Religion is man made and for some people, one of life's biggest hurdles or blocks and keeps their growth in this lifetimes stunted.

btw, i used to LOVE Calvin & Hobbes as a young girl and would wear a t-shirt with them on it all the time.

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posted February 16, 2013 10:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I feel very blessed that I was not raised in any religion. When I see what it can do to people, it makes me realize how lucky i was in that regard.

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posted February 16, 2013 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Juni & Lexx, thanks for sharing.

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