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juniperb
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posted February 22, 2013 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
An Open Letter and Appeal to Giorgio Napolitano, President of the Republic of Italy from Rev. Kevin D. Annett, Secretary of the International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State


14 February, 2013
Al Presdente della Repubblica Italiana Giorgio Napolitano
Presidenza della Repubblica
c/o Palazzo del Quirinale
00187 Roma
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Dear President Napolitano,

On behalf of our Tribunal and people of conscience everywhere, and of the millions of victims of church abuse, I am making an appeal to you regarding your upcoming meeting with Joseph Ratzinger, who will retire soon as Pope Benedict, the Pontiff of the Church of Rome.

Our understanding is that, in the wake of pressure to have him resign his office because of his proven complicity in concealing child trafficking in his church and other crimes against humanity, Joseph Ratzinger is seeking the assistance of the Italian government in securing protection and immunity from legal prosecution

I need not remind you, Mr. President, that under international law and treaties that have been ratified by Italy, you and your government are forbidden from granting such protection to those like Jospeh Ratzinger who have aided and abetted criminal actions, such as ordering Bishops and Cardinals in America and elsewhere to protect known child rapists among their clergy.

Your obligation to the Vatican through the Lateran Treaties does not negate or nullify the requirements of these higher moral and international laws; nor does it require that you give any protection or immunity to a single individual like Joseph Ratzinger, especially after he has left his papal office.

The need for you to abide by international law and not be seen to collude with Joseph Ratzinger is even more true when one considers the enormity of the crimes of which the Vatican and its highest officials are clearly guilty, according to considerable evidence gathered and documented by our Tribunal and other groups, and acknowledged by many governments.

In Canada alone, the Roman Catholic Church and its Vatican agents have been found guilty of responsibility for genocide and the deaths of at least 50,000 aboriginal child children in the Jesuit-initiated Indian residential school system, that operated until 1996.

In Ireland, more than 10,000 women suffered and were exploited in the Catholic-run Magdalene Laundries, where many of them died. Similar church-run institutions all over the world have caused enormous mortality, disease and ruination for millions of children. And yet the church has never been held accountable or prosecuted for these deaths and the theft of enormous wealth from entire nations.

With the recent initiative of at least one European government and a host of lawyers to bring Joseph Ratzinger and other church officials to trial for these crimes, we feel it is incumbent on you neither to assist nor to be seen to assist or condone the attempt by him to evade, obstruct or delay justice, lest you open yourself to a charge of being an accessory to a crime.

On behalf of our Tribunal and of many people who cannot speak, I call on you to stand on the law of nations and humanity, and offer no support or protection to Joseph Ratzinger or his accessories in their efforts to evade responsibility for their proven crimes.

I look forward to your reply, and to discussing this with you more when I visit your country in May with a human rights delegation to investigate this matter more closely.

Sincerely,

Kevin D. Annett, M.A., M.Div.

Secretary, The International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State

Central Office, Brussels

cc: world media
http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=23867


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posted February 22, 2013 09:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And so it is...not that the canadian govt isn't just as guilty where the first nations are concerned, in fact they are currently up in arms about the blatant disregard of their treatied rights ... And the european govt is, i think, england, who have systemic paedophile probs of their own...but i guess you have to start somewhere. I'm actually surprised he wasn't forced out sooner.

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posted February 22, 2013 09:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Yeah, whatever

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posted February 23, 2013 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I`m not certain the letter or site is factual but thought I`d put it up for discussion.

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posted February 23, 2013 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

The Catholic Church is as corrupt as they come. They gave Nazis priest robes,so they could escape Germany. So what, one more scandal. Is that news

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posted February 23, 2013 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it is news when a pope is held accountable for actively supporting the many pedos under his "watch",(he even remarked publicly that "in the 70s this was considered normal") and the current wave of lawsuits against the many perps is also a new development...yes. if the church can be brought to court over these crimes, so can goverments and other big organizations once considered out of reach.

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I haven't been following the story of the pope's resignation at all...it's the kind of thing I could spend too much time studying, with nothing to show for it, really, in the end.

It would be great if more people realized how corrupt the Catholic church is.

I went to Catholic school until college and suffered enough at their hands. Really I hope that Rome metaphorically burns.

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posted February 23, 2013 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Church is certainly unraveling and weakening. Sad on one hand, the hand of the devout with sincere hearts. Encouraging on the hand of the men who harm the innocent and protected by the powers that be.

All Catholics are not of that ilk and I presume they will move away from the Church and find a new home for their Faith..

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posted February 23, 2013 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i think the devout will isolate the corrupt members of the church (sorry, accidental pun there) from the practice itself. many will be discouraged from joining by the bad publicity, and the less devout will probably also be turned off...quite possible many will be much warier of allowing their children to be accessed in private by priests and other career catholics...

but all organizations, especially those with moral clout, need a spring clean on a regular basis, this outting is probably the beginning of a stronger if smaller church?

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posted February 23, 2013 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
(wow... you know what? when I look at all this, I have new respect and appreciation of the work Pluto in Capricorn does now for our world-- There's nothing too big...for what is held oh so precious and small.)

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posted February 23, 2013 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:

The Catholic Church is as corrupt as they come. They gave Nazis priest robes,so they could escape Germany. So what, one more scandal. Is that news


they also used to use Catholic churches to smuggle Jews out of Nazi occupied Europe.

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posted February 23, 2013 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree, mirage, about pluto in cap...things look ugly because all tbe worms are being exposed, but cleansing is def. happening!

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posted February 23, 2013 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Padre35:
they also used to use Catholic churches to smuggle Jews out of Nazi occupied Europe.

Some of the local churches may have. Good point!

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posted February 23, 2013 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Some of the local churches may have. Good point!


Vatican did as well, literally, however they also had der spinner, a sort of program that smuggled fmr nazis out of Europe and into S America.

The RC is very much an institution run by humans, and the good and bad that comes along with it.

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posted February 25, 2013 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
agreed, padre. it is unfortunately the fate of most institutions to become self-protecting hives of corruption, but especially those who deal in people's souls...

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posted February 25, 2013 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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agreed, padre. it is unfortunately the fate of most institutions to become self-protecting hives of corruption, but especially those who deal in people's souls...

Exactly, they lost their way and forgot their mission, instead they practiced CYA.

They seemed to lost sight of the fact if you are going to wear the collar, you had better be an example, and not hiding behind the institution while you do evil things.

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posted February 26, 2013 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes but it is the nature of that particular institution to ask of humans what is inhumane, ie insisting on celibacy tends to lead to people getting all messed up around sexuality...driving natural impulses underground has a way of creating dark perversions of same...i think this applies to all institutions which demand its members appear to be superhuman. everyone has skeletons so everyone ends up having something to hide, and going through major contortions to APPEAR blameless.

so while it is individuals who mess up, it is the institution an its conformist expectations that tends to subvert all but the most vigiilant...

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posted February 27, 2013 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I sincerely hope, whoever the next Pope is, he can restructure and bring the message of God`s love back to the people.

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posted February 27, 2013 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by katatonic:
yes but it is the nature of that particular institution to ask of humans what is inhumane, ie insisting on celibacy tends to lead to people getting all messed up around sexuality...driving natural impulses underground has a way of creating dark perversions of same...i think this applies to all institutions which demand its members appear to be superhuman. everyone has skeletons so everyone ends up having something to hide, and going through major contortions to APPEAR blameless.

so while it is individuals who mess up, it is the institution an its conformist expectations that tends to subvert all but the most vigiilant...


Exactly.

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posted March 02, 2013 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If I understood the news correctly, he will stay on in the Vatican (or on it`s grounds?) where he is safe from any out side forces.

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The Catholic insiders are fuming over his resignation and see it as abandonment.


Italian priest burns photo of ex-Pope Benedict, saying the pontiff ‘abandoned’ the world’s Catholics by resigning.


“I am doing it because he was not a Pope,” Maggi said after burning the photo in front of dozens of horrified parishioners in the middle of Sunday’s mass. “He abandoned us.”

“It was a shocking gesture, committed before a dozen children,” said witness Gianstefano Orengo, the mayor of the town. “I understand that Don Andrea is going through a delicate period. But this is a very serious gesture. "
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/priest-burns-pope-picture-italy-article-1.1278727

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They seemed to lost sight of the fact if you are going to wear the collar, you had better be an example, and not hiding behind the institution while you do evil things.

Well from what I have seen claimed here even at LL;
A Christian can be as evil, vile, and sin all they want to;
because "all sins were washed away"
in a past and pay it forward warped way;
so go ahead,
be as bad as you desire,
no matter who you are;
popes included;
and as long as you say with at least your dying breath;
"Jesus save me"
or whatever;
you will be absolved of all wrong doing.
But be a good person, never bad,
but if you do NOT
claim Jesus as your savior,
You get to burn in hellfire and damnation according to Christians, no matter how good you are.
Wow!
Sounds like mostly only sinners including murderers, rapists, and other bad people;
get a free get out of hell card get to go to heaven, just by saying"
I believe!
Heaven sounds like a horrible hateful place full of mostly horrid people.

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posted March 06, 2013 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lei_Kuei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Had John Paul the 1rst been able to stay in office longer than a month, the church as we know it today may have been a much less vile institution, as he seemed to be well aware of the corruption and wanted to route it out -nods-


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posted March 06, 2013 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sailor Gemini     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lexxigramer:
Well from what I have seen claimed here even at LL;
A Christian can be as evil, vile, and sin all they want to;
because "all sins were washed away"
in a past and pay it forward warped way;
so go ahead,
be as bad as you desire,
no matter who you are;
popes included;
and as long as you say with at least your dying breath;
"Jesus save me"
or whatever;
you will be absolved of all wrong doing.
But be a good person, never bad,
but if you do NOT
claim Jesus as your savior,
You get to burn in hellfire and damnation according to Christians, no matter how good you are.
Wow!
Sounds like mostly only sinners including murderers, rapists, and other bad people;
get a free get out of hell card get to go to heaven, just by saying"
I believe!
Heaven sounds like a horrible hateful place full of mostly horrid people.

I agree entirely. That, and other reasons, is why I don't trust the church.

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posted March 09, 2013 09:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The conclave is set to start Tuesday.

Soon the conspiracy peeps will have their anti Christ.

Poor fella .

Seriously, this could realign and strengthen the Church or drive it further into the dustbin of yesteryear. We live in exciting times!!

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