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Topic: cloning and the soul
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doommlord
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From: israel
Registered: Dec 2011
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posted March 29, 2013 02:34 PM
  
What are the views of different religions on cloning? Do clones have "souls" or any connection to the higher powers you believe in?A hypotetical question of course and you are more than welcome to express your personal opinion on the matter  I hope i hit the right forum  IP: Logged |
Lexxigramer
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posted March 29, 2013 02:56 PM
A suitable body is a suitable body.
In the case of a human;
the body need only have physically matured beyond 12 weeks gestation and or incubation.
Clones are embryos, fetuses, and babies just like any human.
A suitable body to attract/draw in a soul could even be an android one if sufficiently
complex as to be like human.
So yes;
clones would have souls.
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PixieJane
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posted March 29, 2013 08:52 PM
The way I see it our brains channel life energy which becomes a "soul" so to speak, and the ego and all that entails. I figure it's also likely that our existence ends in practical terms after death because we're like a drop of water (the soul) returned to the ocean (what some would call God/dess) after, though it's possible that enough "astral" grows out of life's entanglements and growth that maybe our souls grow into unique individuals, "children of God/dess" for want of a better word, which would allow for things like reincarnation, other planes of existence (such as various Heavens and Hells), etc. So at least by the way I see it clones would have their own unique souls, and no more shared from the version they were copied from than identical twins share a soul (though some twins DO seem unusually bonded, though I wonder how much of that isn't astrological combined with extreme familiarity, and I'd be very curious what a clone born with very different natal chart would be like..,). IP: Logged |
felngfrogy
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From: longford, ks, 67458
Registered: Mar 2013
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posted April 03, 2013 03:38 AM
i agree with both post...a clone would most definitely have a soul...the body is but a vessel for the soul or your energy to manifest...
im sure its all part of gods plan to show the world that we as humans are capable of creation too, he beckons us to find him with in our soul...
jesus speaks that there is more he has to say but we can not bear(grasp/understand) so i leave that to explain many things that are not revealed to us. i like to think that a clone would have a soul that comes from a different dimension and has knowledge to guide humanity to a higher vibration...the world needs help with all the negativity...
man brings destruction so maybe god allowed man to bring destruction of mans way by allowing man to create a being unnatural to our "natural order"!!! im all about seeing the world through my soul and allowing that to create truth for me. what are your views since you did ask the question? IP: Logged |
felngfrogy
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From: longford, ks, 67458
Registered: Mar 2013
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posted April 03, 2013 03:45 AM
lexxi,
id just like to say i love your mind...you are so not stuck in a box and i find you very stimulating...very educating! im not stalking you, im just new to this site and am going to different discussions and as i browse through many comments i always stop to read yours. i have noticed this so thought i would share with you! IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted April 03, 2013 11:57 AM
i don't see how any one whose religion refers to the adam story could object to clones having souls...aren't we all descended from the original clones, adam and eve? made in god's image and from adam's rib?have you read "do androids dream of sheep" by philip k dick, doomlord? IP: Logged |
doommlord
Moderator Posts: 2001
From: israel
Registered: Dec 2011
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posted April 04, 2013 08:05 AM
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Originally posted by katatonic:
i don't see how any one whose religion refers to the adam story could object to clones having souls...aren't we all descended from the original clones, adam and eve? made in god's image and from adam's rib?have you read "do androids dream of sheep" by philip k dick, doomlord?
Unfortunally im hours away from a book store XD But il try to look for it online and get a good read
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katatonic
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posted April 04, 2013 10:37 AM
Or seen Bladerunner?IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted April 04, 2013 10:42 AM
To me, God creates life( and takes is away) Man has no business messing in any area of "life" imo------------------
Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal
http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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doommlord
Moderator Posts: 2001
From: israel
Registered: Dec 2011
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posted April 04, 2013 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
To me, God creates life( and takes is away) Man has no business messing in any area of "life" imo
Tell me ami In the case one actually dares and creates a clone....whats your opinion on the clone himself? Is he equal to human? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted April 04, 2013 10:56 AM
quote:
Originally posted by doommlord:
Tell me amiIn the case one actually dares and creates a clone....whats your opinion on the clone himself? Is he equal to human?
Hmmm Well, if he were already here, I would wish him well but kind of keep a wide berth  ------------------
Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal
http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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doommlord
Moderator Posts: 2001
From: israel
Registered: Dec 2011
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posted April 04, 2013 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by katatonic:
Or seen Bladerunner?
I did a few years back. IP: Logged |
Lexxigramer
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From: The Etheric Realms...Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat...& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion!
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posted April 04, 2013 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by felngfrogy:
lexxi,
id just like to say i love your mind...you are so not stuck in a box and i find you very stimulating...very educating! im not stalking you, im just new to this site and am going to different discussions and as i browse through many comments i always stop to read yours. i have noticed this so thought i would share with you!
Thank you felngfrogy   IP: Logged |
Lexxigramer
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posted April 04, 2013 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by katatonic:
i don't see how any one whose religion refers to the adam story could object to clones having souls...aren't we all descended from the original clones, adam and eve? made in god's image and from adam's rib?have you read "do androids dream of sheep" by philip k dick, doomlord?
First off;
I love anything by Philip K. Dick. 
OK;
when using the bible creation stories as an example;
it is important to take note that the Adam and Eve story happens after there are already humans in great numbers throughout the world, Earth.
If both tales are true;
then there were two human lines, one from the God of Genesis One and the first creation story.
And the second totally different story in Genesis two with LORD God and his Eden Zoo.
Note the comparisons;
Genesis One in Quotes;
Genesis Two verses
set betwixt the Genesis One verses.
Bolding is inserted by me.
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Genesis 1
1.
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.26.
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them(my note: men and women/human race) have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27.
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28.
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Genesis two
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And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground(my note:
not in his and his fellow god's images, as seen in Genesis One verses 26 and 27) , and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
(my note: Nothing in Genesis One about dust and ribs.)The same kind of obvious contradiction is seen here:
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Genesis One:
29.
And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.30.
And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
Then in Genesis Two we can see a blatant contradiction to the above without restriction, as opposed to the following from Genesis Two.
Genesis Two
15.
And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.(the Eden Zoo, cut off from the outside world that was already teeming with life and men and women and children)16.
And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat (note: God in Genesis One had already given the world to all the men and women) 17.
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.(This "LORD" fellow gave restrictions, nasty death threats, unlike the God fellow in Genesis One.) To continue:
We see "LORD" after he creates Adam from the dirt;
then doing the rib thing to create Eve.
That all seriously contradicts Genesis One and God's creation of both men and women at the same time in God's image.
Men and women, not just Adam then Eve. It becomes even more contradictory because LORD God NEVER TOLD EVE
about the Tree Of Knowledge restriction.
He had only told Adam.
So in essence;
Eve committed no crime.
She was innocent.
Adam broke the rule. Also Eve was female and Adam male.
I know of no method to clone a female from a male. IP: Logged |
doommlord
Moderator Posts: 2001
From: israel
Registered: Dec 2011
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posted April 04, 2013 12:27 PM
Very interesting read lexx .I have only read the traditional interpretations of the 2 usually taught in schools here and not this one... IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted April 04, 2013 12:38 PM
Doomlord Bladerunner is an adaptation of the PKDick book i mentioned. He is a fascinating author who had some very advanced ideas in real life too, which prompted and informed his novels.IP: Logged |
Lexxigramer
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posted April 04, 2013 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by doommlord:
Very interesting read lexx .I have only read the traditional interpretations of the 2 usually taught in schools here and not this one...
Thank you doommlord.
I have many theories on such things.
Here I go a bit more outside of the popular thought on humankind and their various gods throughout time.
When you find time look this thread over if you wish. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum21/HTML/000277.html IP: Logged |
doommlord
Moderator Posts: 2001
From: israel
Registered: Dec 2011
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posted April 04, 2013 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by katatonic:
Doomlord Bladerunner is an adaptation of the PKDick book i mentioned. He is a fascinating author who had some very advanced ideas in real life too, which prompted and informed his novels.
I ownder that is such thing will truly happen if cloning is developed properly. I personally see no bright future for most clones :/ IP: Logged |
doommlord
Moderator Posts: 2001
From: israel
Registered: Dec 2011
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posted April 04, 2013 01:38 PM
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Originally posted by Lexxigramer:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by doommlord:
[b]Very interesting read lexx .I have only read the traditional interpretations of the 2 usually taught in schools here and not this one...
Thank you doommlord.
I have many theories on such things.
Here I go a bit more outside of the popular thought on humankind and their various gods throughout time.
When you find time look this thread over if you wish. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum21/HTML/000277.html [/B][/QUOTE] I read a part but i will have to re-read it to get the whole concept and really get an in depth look into this little piece. A question....did the planets start as habitable planets or were they developed into one? Are the current inhospitable planets a result of mass merging that left the planets lifeless? Or are thos planets made for life forms that are suitable for that types of invironments?
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katatonic
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posted April 04, 2013 02:32 PM
if half what some people say is true about the state of our environment, it may well be that clones will be the survivors of our race. humans are great adaptors but it usually takes some generations to adjust to changing environments, with a lot of casualties.between fukushima fall out, chemtrails, gmos and oil spills, well, we have some major adapting to do... IP: Logged |
doommlord
Moderator Posts: 2001
From: israel
Registered: Dec 2011
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posted April 04, 2013 02:37 PM
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Originally posted by katatonic:
if half what some people say is true about the state of our environment, it may well be that clones will be the survivors of our race. humans are great adaptors but it usually takes some generations to adjust to changing environments, with a lot of casualties.between fukushima fall out, chemtrails, gmos and oil spills, well, we have some major adapting to do...
I think humanity will eventually move to some safe invironment and let the clones get into the polluted areas for work. Btw i also think there will be strong restrictions on reproduction becuse this population boom combined with advanced health care is leading us to trouble. IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted April 04, 2013 03:47 PM
The population boom appears to have POSSIBLY peaked! I will see if i can find a link to the story bout that...but growth rates have slowed down so much that the professional worrywarts are now wondering if our global economy is at risk of having too few new worker bees(human)!IP: Logged |
doommlord
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From: israel
Registered: Dec 2011
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posted April 04, 2013 03:56 PM
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Originally posted by katatonic:
The population boom appears to have POSSIBLY peaked! I will see if i can find a link to the story bout that...but growth rates have slowed down so much that the professional worrywarts are now wondering if our global economy is at risk of having too few new worker bees(human)!
Yet on the other hand there is growing need for experienced workers and those who have specialised. Do you believe employment will be better in the future? IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted April 04, 2013 08:10 PM
I don't know! A smaller population should mean fuller employment but most people i know are working for themselves. If the US, for instance, doesn't improve its school system many will be so discouraged that higher education will seem like so much torture to the more intelligent ones...tho my daughter (30} has just returned to school after 12 yrs off...now it makes sense, but at 18 she couldn't be tempted to continue for anything...But less creative work is more and more robotized so i don't know what the less motivated among us will do unless outer space - the last frontier - provides some opportunities... IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted April 05, 2013 10:21 AM
I support the voucher system. Give parents the money equivalent to be used at private schools if they wish.IP: Logged |
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