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Ami Anne
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posted March 31, 2013 07:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If a Bible scholar or Bible scholar layman is going to discuss the Bible, he has to do it in a framework of HOW the Bible actually is. I gave DL this example and it is the exactly the same.
If you wanted me to do your chart, but you told me that the meaning of the Sun now goes to the Moon. The meaning of Venus now applies to Mars and we are only going to use House 4, 7 and 12. Furthermore, the ASC now means what the DSC does. Now, do my chart!

What could I do? Furthermore, if you were arrogant about wanting to tell me that THIS is how Astrology is done, I have no choice but to walk away, as the body of error is so great that there is little chance of turning it around so it makes some sense. I am not here to be mean. I am here for my small target audience who want to know how the Bible works from a Born Again Christian/Messianic Jewish point of view where what the Bible says is taken literally, unless it is OBVIOUSLY symbolic. For people with other POV, that is their business but my debating them is not something I want to spend time doing.

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posted March 31, 2013 07:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If a person takes Jesus 'quote out of context of the above basic structure of the Bible, it is as silly as if I screamed, "Kill it" and you took me to jail. I may have been screaming at a roach. I may have been screaming at my computer when I could not figure out how to use it. I may be screaming at worms that tried to eat my new tomatoes. You cannot call me a killer. It is pure silliness. One must understand the basic structure of the Bible, before one pulls out isolated quotes. I will endeavor to show you in the coming days, for all who are interested.

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posted March 31, 2013 07:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dispensations are time periods. Major time periods in the Bible are under very, very different set- ups. Very different groups of people are the main actors. Very different things are required of these groups during the different Dispensations. If I take a New Testament character and apply the boundaries, rules and settings of the Old Testament, I have mush theology.

If I take the End Times teaching and throw out Israel and say it is the Church, I have mush theology.

The Bible is as accurate and precise as Astrology, more so actually. For everyone who loves Astrology, you would walk away from anyone who violated it's integrity by making up his own system. Every cult modifies the Bible to suit itself. The Catholic Church is the largest cult. It has it's own Bible, saying what it wants. The Catholic Bible is a different Bible than the King James. The Catholic Bible says Mary can be prayed to, for example. In the traditional Bible, she was a person, not any sort of Divinity or divinity status. This is a small example. Anyway, IF people are interested I will go on. I do not like debate for debate's sake. I am here to teach, if anyone wants to learn.

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posted March 31, 2013 08:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will give some very simple guidelines for accurate Bible study.

One--Is the quote in the New or Old Testament. The OT people were under certain "rules/obligation". The NT people are under a whole different set of "rules"/obligations.

Two--The OT was written for and about the Jews. What is said is said TO the Jews. The current church cannot take a quote that was meant for the Jews and apply it to them. This is Replacement Theology, which is error. If one has a messed up theology, of any nature, one can never understand accurate Prophecy. Prophecy shows us the Bible is true, so these people are missing the Bible's internal validity mechanism.

Three- In the OT, people had to follow all the laws. In the NT, you do not have to follow the laws. It is the Age of Grace. If someone tells you, you have to follow the laws to please God, that is error. You will get under all sorts of condemnation and guilt, which is another error.

Four--The OT was God coming to the Jews, only.That is why that Gentile woman asked Jesus if he came for the "dogs". NT times did not start until after Jesus' death, not at the literal start of the book we call the NT. The NT is God coming to the Gentiles, as a body but every person can get saved but Israel was blinded, in part, so the Gentiles could come in. If you mix these up, you have error.

Anyway, that is a start.

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posted March 31, 2013 09:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for doommlord     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
If a Bible scholar or Bible scholar layman is going to discuss the Bible, he has to do it in a framework of HOW the Bible actually is. I gave DL this example and it is the exactly the same.
If you wanted me to do your chart, but you told me that the meaning of the Sun now goes to the Moon. The meaning of Venus now applies to Mars and we are only going to use House 4, 7 and 12. Furthermore, the ASC now means what the DSC does. Now, do my chart!

What could I do? Furthermore, if you were arrogant about wanting to tell me that THIS is how Astrology is done, I have no choice but to walk away, as the body of error is so great that there is little chance of turning it around so it makes some sense. I am not here to be mean. I am here for my small target audience who want to know how the Bible works from a Born Again Christian/Messianic Jewish point of view where what the Bible says is taken literally, unless it is OBVIOUSLY symbolic. For people with other POV, that is their business but my debating them is not something I want to spend time doing.


Making other opinions look big and false and you the small truth wont make your words any more true.

You don't back up your words, you narrow your point of view and call it "true" but in the end if you wont back up your theories no one will follow them as the other theories have answers and data to back them up.

And see my post a the other thread to see how you comparing the bible to astrology was just ruining your credibility.

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Ami Anne
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posted March 31, 2013 10:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DL
I am not on here to be liked. I am not on here to get approval. I find it to be a chore, actually.

I am here to tell people about God, if they want to know. I have a purpose in my life and that is my purpose. If people don't want to know, I am not personally hurt. None of this is personal DL.

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posted March 31, 2013 10:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I back up my words by Prophecy. Who on here can give a SPECIFIC Prophecy about any country, city or group of people? No one. Just me because I have the TRUE word of God. It is that simple even though people don't want to accept it.

Anyway, this is a huge chore for me and I am going to day a break. Happy Easter and a Blessed Passover y'all.


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posted March 31, 2013 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for doommlord     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I back up my words by Prophecy. Who on here can give a SPECIFIC Prophecy about any country, city or group of people? No one. Just me because I have the TRUE word of God. It is that simple even though people don't want to accept it.

Anyway, this is a huge chore for me and I am going to day a break. Happy Easter and a Blessed Passover y'all.



How sane of you.

You have the word of a deity whose existence is in question and you spread its word by preaching and stating it as "facts" but leaving them unproved.

If you cant prove you are actually know anything about prophecy it wont matter, and some humility should be worked here as you are making yourself look like some extremist medieval church.

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posted March 31, 2013 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by doommlord:
How sane of you.

You have the word of a deity whose existence is in question and you spread its word by preaching and stating it as "facts" but leaving them unproved.

If you cant prove you are actually know anything about prophecy it wont matter, and some humility should be worked here as you are making yourself look like some extremist medieval church.



I replied to Ami and her ego on another thread;
but I think the reply should be here also.
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Because I am the ONLY one on here who can tell the future.

What a big flaming pompous ego you have Ami.
Over a 100,000 members here at LL;
and you say that you are the only one here who can predict the future?
Just like your rapture predictions etc.?
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
From my study of such authors as Hal Lindsey and Grant Jeffries,I think we have one more year until the Rapture.

That was posted by you on April 02, 2011 02:36 PM.
A year later and no rapture.
Going on 2 years now.
On August 27, 2012 10:35 PM oneruledbymars
posted and you replied.
quote:
Originally posted by oneruledbymars:
The error is this thread Ami...there was no rapture hon.


quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:

It is in the future ORBM. Anyhoo
Love you


I have seen you make other statements as to end times/rapture yadda yadda yadda;
happening in December 2012 and other dates.

Ami you say the bibles should be taken literally and then you say it all needs interpreted.
You contradict yourself often.
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I believe in the Bible, Shura.
I take what God says,
seriously and literally.

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Padre35
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posted March 31, 2013 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Well gosh, even a jr level Bible reader can grasp "..the gentiles were grafted in.."

(Romans)

OR

"..when something is worn out, you replace it.."

(Hebrews, referring to the old Covenant)

Enjoy Easter everyone!

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Ami Anne
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posted March 31, 2013 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Padre35:

Well gosh, even a jr level Bible reader can grasp "..the gentiles were grafted in.."

(Romans)

OR

"..when something is worn out, you replace it.."

(Hebrews, referring to the old Covenant)

Enjoy Easter everyone!


No, there are many Replacement Theology Christians who would CHOKE on the idea that they are grafted into a Jewish root

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posted March 31, 2013 07:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

And this bothers me AA, Paul also mentioned that spiritual blindness had fallen on the Hebrews.

My personal hope is most are Remnants as Paul also spoke of, otherwise it falls into the binary "Christ/no Christ" theology.

I also personally dislike the term "jews" as more or less it is a slang term for Judaens but not every Hebrew is Judaen.

For fun, google "Hebaru" some time.

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posted March 31, 2013 08:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Padre35:

And this bothers me AA, Paul also mentioned that spiritual blindness had fallen on the Hebrews.

My personal hope is most are Remnants as Paul also spoke of, otherwise it falls into the binary "Christ/no Christ" theology.

I also personally dislike the term "jews" as more or less it is a slang term for Judaens but not every Hebrew is Judaen.

For fun, google "Hebaru" some time.


Yes, I can tell you have reverence and respect for the Jewish people. I would be part of the remnant as the remnant are the Messianic Jews.

I am a very sweet person, but one thing that I will not tolerate is hatred for the Jewish people. That will make my Mars conjunct moon( 9 degrees) come out

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posted March 31, 2013 08:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, Padre
This Age of Grace does have a spiritual blindness on the Jews as a group, but there will be a remnant.

However, even though there is a spiritual blindness on the Jews as a group, each Jewish person can call out to God and find Jesus, as I did. However, most will not.

However, in the Tribulation Age, ALL Israel will be saved but that will be at the end of the Tribulation and many will have died, unsaved, prior to that

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posted March 31, 2013 08:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Well, Padre
This Age of Grace does have a spiritual blindness on the Jews as a group, but there will be a remnant.

However, even though there is a spiritual blindness on the Jews as a group, each Jewish person can call out to God and find Jesus, as I did. However, most will not.

However, in the Tribulation Age, ALL Israel will be saved but that will be at the end of the Tribulation and many will have died, unsaved, prior to that


My hope is this AA, that my Brother Hebrews are accepted in via Ibrahim's promises from the Most High.

I take it to heart the words "..he wishes no to be destroyed but all come to repentence"

This to me is the point of the Millennial Reign.

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posted March 31, 2013 09:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, you don't go by any Dispensations, Padre?

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posted March 31, 2013 09:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
So, you don't go by any Dispensations, Padre?


It does not matter AA, it is up to the Most High AA.

I do refuse to sit like a smug spider hoping that people are eternally separated from the Creator and tortured in the process.

As for the Hebaru's, as George Thorogood once sagely:

"..just leave them alone.."

That does not mean appear a friend then the beef cooks and "christians" go ghost, rather their eternal fate is determined by a far far greater power then myself.

Ditto Mohammedians, Sikhs, and what have you.

I'm more concerned with following the plain advice of the Bible and let the Most High God sort it out in eternity.

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posted March 31, 2013 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Padre35:
I do refuse to sit like a smug spider hoping that people are eternally separated from the Creator and tortured in the process.

I don't do this. I hate talking about this stuff on here. I do it out of love for the people who are lost. I hate debate. My mother used to debate everything and drive me crazy.When people die, it is too late. I want to tell people and then it is up to them, but I take no joy in where they are going. If you think that of me, you don't know me at all. Some people on here don't, but that is not something I can help. I hope you will.

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posted March 31, 2013 10:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Padre35:
I do refuse to sit like a smug spider hoping that people are eternally separated from the Creator and tortured in the process.

quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I don't do this. I hate talking about this stuff on here. I do it out of love for the people who are lost. I hate debate. My mother used to debate everything and drive me crazy.When people die, it is too late. I want to tell people and then it is up to them, but I take no joy in where they are going. If you think that of me, you don't know me at all. Some people on here don't, but that is not something I can help. I hope you will.


I have watched you Ami.
You enjoy it, the idea of damnation to those who do not believe as you do.
You post your damnation with "laughing" and other ha ha icons.
You do gloat.
I guess you are oblivious to your hatefulness.
There are plenty of examples of you taking great pleasure and acting all righteous and chosen and superior to those who do not believe as you do.
You cannot say you love when you preach a message of hatred and crave the end of the world and pray for death and destruction.
My mother is much like you Ami.
She preaches just like you do.
She uses the exact same justifications too.
You sound so much like her it is downright spooky.
It is like you and she read from and quote the same preacher guidebook.
Her and a few of my brothers preach love but;
they have both actually said they would kill their sons if they found out their sons were gay and or hope their sons would commit suicide.
Sick sick sick. That is not love.
My mother just like you makes jokes about A.I.D.S. just like you did when you decided to hate me because I became angry at your joking about A.I.D.S. and gay people being damned.
I pity you Ami.
In my pov you are so lost and angry that you cannot help yourself.
Your threads often reflect a terrible inner turmoil that in my opinion goes far deeper than your mother issues.
I feel sad for you each time I see such threads of yours as:
"I am Filled With So Much Hate I Don't Know What To Do"

"I Can't Feel My Emotions"

"Self Destructive"

"I AM EFFING GONNA KILL YOU"


I do not hate you Ami.
I just do not get what is going on with you.

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posted March 31, 2013 10:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lexx
I ignore you because you do not understand me. I feel sorry for all you have gone through but I can't let you or anyone deter me from my purpose which is to try to bring Jesus to people, the best I can.

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posted March 31, 2013 10:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Lexx
I ignore you because you do not understand me. I feel sorry for all you have gone through but I can't let you or anyone deter me from my purpose which is to try to bring Jesus to people, the best I can.


You poor thing.
May you someday find peace within.

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i would like to say something aa...if god has spoke to you then you will know that there is no damnation..actually we all go to the same place when we transform from the physical body to the etheric body. the bible is symbolic and there is much depth to this book. the depth is what you need to hear...if god is speaking you are not opening your mind to allow the truth to come in, your mind is using logic but you should know jesus was far from logic! so we are not to use that part of our minds...before i would start teaching unsaved people i would get spiritual first and go within your soul and build a relationship with jesus first...he will lead you to the knowledge you are suppose to have, your gift...if you dont like to debate then what are you doing? cause what i am reading seems like that is what you are doing...one more lesson that god spoke to me...perception, everyone has one, unique to their own fingerprint, god wants you to open your mind and allow his love to flow through your being and it will change the way you see the world...so you may not see your debating because you can not see yourself yet...remember dont try to see the sawdust in your brothers eye when you have a log...im just saying...i will not debate with someone when i know there thought pattern...how do i know, well god speaks to me too, this is one of my gifts, to know ones heart..so out of love for you i want you to know you have a log to remove and a relationship with jesus to build before you should preach, when you do the work within your soul you will become a teacher and you will have followers...your perception will not create the life jesus sacrificed his life for...if you want a teacher i will be happy to teach you. there is a big difference between a preacher and a teacher...with much respect for your divine being i want you to know the truth because she is trying to get through to you but you are not allowing your creative side to process this information...come to me as the child within...the creative side...opened mind...trusting...do you dance in the rain? sing while cleaning your house? chase butterflies? anything that is fun? your child needs to emerge so your soul will grow and your true purpose will be revealed to you and only you...we are not here to send condemnation but to accept all creation...


i will be here personally to help guide you too the light of the creator...ive been there and there is nothing but awe...no words can describe the radiant colors of the world...

Thank you.

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quote:
Originally posted by Padre35:
I do refuse to sit like a smug spider hoping that people are eternally separated from the Creator and tortured in the process.

quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I don't do this. I hate talking about this stuff on here. I do it out of love for the people who are lost. I hate debate. My mother used to debate everything and drive me crazy.When people die, it is too late. I want to tell people and then it is up to them, but I take no joy in where they are going. If you think that of me, you don't know me at all. Some people on here don't, but that is not something I can help. I hope you will.


quote:
Originally posted by Lexxigramer:
I have watched you Ami.
You enjoy it, the idea of damnation to those who do not believe as you do.
You post your damnation with "laughing" and other ha ha icons.
You do gloat.
I guess you are oblivious to your hatefulness.
There are plenty of examples of you taking great pleasure and acting all righteous and chosen and superior to those who do not believe as you do.
You cannot say you love when you preach a message of hatred and crave the end of the world and pray for death and destruction.
My mother is much like you Ami.
She preaches just like you do.
She uses the exact same justifications too.
You sound so much like her it is downright spooky.
It is like you and she read from and quote the same preacher guidebook.
Her and a few of my brothers preach love but;
they have both actually said they would kill their sons if they found out their sons were gay and or hope their sons would commit suicide.
Sick sick sick. That is not love.
My mother just like you makes jokes about A.I.D.S. just like you did when you decided to hate me because I became angry at your joking about A.I.D.S. and gay people being damned.
I pity you Ami.
In my pov you are so lost and angry that you cannot help yourself.
Your threads often reflect a terrible inner turmoil that in my opinion goes far deeper than your mother issues.
I feel sad for you each time I see such threads of yours as:
"I am Filled With So Much Hate I Don't Know What To Do"

"I Can't Feel My Emotions"

"Self Destructive"

"I AM EFFING GONNA KILL YOU"


I do not hate you Ami.
I just do not get what is going on with you.




I'm sorry you had such people in your family.

I could only imagine how hard it might have been sometimes...

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posted April 01, 2013 07:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I appreciate the kind sentiments Lexx and DL have shown but that does not change the point of my writing in DD. I seem to be the main Born Again Christian/Messianic Jewish voice on LL. If I am not the main one, I am the most vocal. I write to the few people out there who care what I have to say, as I know they are there.

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