posted April 07, 2013 03:01 AM            

as i read this post and that post and jump to this link and that link i am even more confused on where i fall in the midst of things

my journey to greater understanding started at 20 when i hung myself...i was in a locked basement that my parents could not open, with all there attempts including a baseball bat to the door..as my dad left to get a crow bar my mom stood there and the door opened and she expected to see me there...that was my realization there was something bigger than us.

so fast froward a couple of years... i built a relationship with Jesus first because i am skeptical about "church"...then from that relationship i began to understand why i went through the "experiences" i did,...that relationship lead my to "occult" things i guess is the word?

so here is my truth so far in my life...i believe that you can have a relationship with GOD through your own soul...and yes he can speak through your heart...everything else is a tool to confirm the communication with another realm of existence...is it GOD or other energies(spirits, souls, guides, angels, etc..) i don't really know that answer and my heart says it doesn't really matter, that is for ego to discern...i need my heart to discern truth from mans reality.

so this has been spoken to me...my heart speaks of the relationship Jesus was really teaching mankind was you are a divine being, you are just like me...you as a human being have a brain and within your brain is many paths that lead to perception of reality, in these paths are many obstacles for you to overcome, many will fall and little will succeed because they have not understood the truth behind the creation. as man we look at a brain to store memory, knowledge, ideas, words, concepts, beliefs, all creation comes from the brain...yes that is all there but the brain is also where all the truth can be revealed to you by breaking away all that was perceived as reality. truth lies within the soul and not the world. everything that is debatable is not actual truth but perception of truth...my heart says all is truth...not every person is created for the exact same purpose...we have our own design, so we need to find those like minds. accepting all faiths and all perceptions means there is no right and no wrong...Jesus couldn't teach his full message, the world he came to speak to could not understand that, he only came to set the course of action...plant the right seed so it may come to fruition.

what is understood to me, maybe for me, is that like a computer that has to be restored you would erase all memory on motherboard and reinstall original program that states its design...a computer is a creative design of the human brain...our brains need to be reborn with not mans perception but GODs energy.

my heart sees this concept within the depths of the bible...yes i believe in the bible, i believe Jesus was a man like you and me who after many lives and lessons was able to receive the body in which The Christ(gods love) could be purely manifested. so through Jesus we could find the truth if you have the brain to perceive it...the one way doesn't mean through Jesus you get to heaven...the one way is through a higher vibration(gods love) will you find all that was, that is, that will be...

i read a post that speaks of this awesome relationship one found with Jesus after leaving astrology, and spoke of it as bad thing...i can relate to his experience on the Jesus connection but i can not relate to seeing the "occult" as wrong. i can understand most perceptions, but i can not understand some...i feel its because its not programmed in my brain to perceive the world through that added program so to speak...if i had the words i would use the correct ones.

i believe the bible foretells a time of the beginning, the present day of that time, and our future, and its simply states what was, is, and will be...so that to me says when Atlantis, Lemuria, and any other times in history that were destroyed we will be to in a matter of time. not because we are sinners but because we are here to evolve and the closer we get to evolution the closer the "end times" are...those that are raptured are not the right Christians, they are the right vibrations to ascend with the new earth, the rest will follow in their due time. some are stubborn because there ego is in control and their world being destroyed is what it will take before they realize that god hasn't forsaken them, they forsaken themselves by not truly living in the world, they became part of it...kind of like actors, they play a part, its not who they are but a character. we all have a part and realizing who we are in the big picture is the mystery. and discovering that mystery is only the beginning not the end...faith is believing in the mystery and everything else is a tool for understanding depending on your design.

Just as you could be in the wrong church if your soul isn't being fed, you could be using the wrong tools if your soul isn't being fed with the truth you discover...some like to say power, gifts, and that leads to the ego using the power/gifts/truths to benefit thyself and not humanity...or if you receive any kind of bragging rights then you are using an intention not set for gods will. gods will in you is the intention of showing love to all mankind including your enemies and first most yourself.

so naturally i believe in aliens, and life out there in the unknown, and mystical things we can not prove, something out there saved me and i thank everyday i am still here. this took me many years of allowing faith with in me to remove any teachings of my forefathers and allowing my true father to step in and guide me...and sin is ignorance, being unable to grasp what is not visible to the naked eye...

through astrology i find truth in all i have already know all along, and allowing someone to use asteroids i am also finding much i have already known and also much i didn't know, to me astrology is a good way of discovering who you are, which piece of the puzzle are you? a lost soul is like a missing piece that has no puzzle to belong to...a different belief is having a different puzzle...of course you wouldn't fit in my puzzle,I'm a car and you are a fruit basket! your table is over there

this is my belief and i get confirmation through dreams and reading the bible... so where do i fit? i guess im asking what puzzle do i belong to cause im having a hard time finding it?

and since everyone on here has lots more knowledge in culture, beliefs, religions, history, hell you all know more than i will ever know on any given subject known to man! that is why i am asking you all...

***i personally know i belong to myself, I'm just searching for the puzzle i fit in..

***i chose topic as line being drawn because the world seems to draw a line between both occult and relationship with jesus

posted April 07, 2013 03:47 AM            

After trying my level best to end it all, from car crashes to roullette..the hard way

When a young man and things were hard, really hard, my peace came from sitting under Aussie pine trees and listening to the wind ,moving through them/

And of course, talking to the maker of it all.

Began to realize..this world and all that is in it illusion

As to I love the soul you have, do keep in mind the Gospel has been heard, what needs to happen is instead of talking about this or that, just do, just act.

posted April 07, 2013 07:54 PM            

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posted April 07, 2013 08:41 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
You sound pretty New Age to me. (Granted, the New Age is a broad term, but it does sound to me like you'd fit within it, and that was the flavor I got reading your post.)

You also sound like you might enjoy plenty of Unitarian Universalist churches, and might find kindred spirits there.

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posted April 07, 2013 08:48 PM            

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Originally posted by felngfrogy:
Padre...thank you for sharing your story as well...yes life is all around us, everywhere...and I can believe its an illusion...I do not feel my life in the flesh is all there is this is just a body I dwell in and through it can feel and experience life on earth...thank you for your words!

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Thing is though FLNF, UU's pretty much don't believe in much of anything.

They start off great, dig a little deeper and there really is nothing there so to speak.

And you are quite welcome!

posted April 07, 2013 08:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
You sound like you are making up your religion as you see fit, which most people do

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Ami Anne,

posted April 07, 2013 08:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
You sound like you are making up your religion as you see fit, which most people do

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I very much suspect AA, one is not grasping the difference between religion, and faith.

posted April 07, 2013 08:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
Thing is though FLNF, UU's pretty much don't believe in much of anything.

They start off great, dig a little deeper and there really is nothing there so to speak.

And you are quite welcome!

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Really? I believe in something and have the same thoughts they do…there is such a wide variety that falls under them that I wouldn't say I was exactly in agreement to but the overall belief I would follow

posted April 07, 2013 08:58 PM            

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Originally posted by felngfrogy:
Ami Anne,

Lol yea that probally does sound right to you! I guess it could be percieved as that if you were someone who didn't use their hearts to listen to the truth of ones soul...I would say if I were making it up as I see fit I would be using my ego...that is exactly what I see that needs changed, in order to even see it I must have lived in the ego, which I did( )and now its time to not allow my will to get in the will of GOD who speaks to my soul through my heart...so I am changing/transforming my belief as I grow through my journey...and sometimes changing a belief in me is very hard to do/ and sometimes its because my behavior was so ugly. God has a great way of revealing one thing at a time where I need growth! also I like the unitarian universalist perception, it matches my own perception! Thank you for your perception as well!

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Well, if you ever get so desperate that you want to hurt yourself again, write me. It is a terrible pain to be in that position and my heart goes out to you

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posted April 07, 2013 09:07 PM            

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Originally posted by felngfrogy:
Really? I believe in something and have the same thoughts they do…there is such a wide variety that falls under them that I wouldn't say I was exactly in agreement to but the overall belief I would follow

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Nah, I've read their philosopher's works, I don't say that w/o knowledge

Starts out great, by there for each other, be there for the community, at the end of it all though..not much to base even that upon.

For example, toss out the old covenant, even proverbs, toss out the gruesome, but real lessons from that period in time, toss out the Crucifixion etc etc

posted April 07, 2013 09:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
I very much suspect AA, one is not grasping the difference between religion, and faith.

This is a learning moment, or could be.

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Padre are you talking about me?

That could be right! Who knows! Maybe I want to belong to something, which I do have a church… sunset spiritual church…i always refered to myself as a spiritual science christian don't really know what belief system that is an organized group of shared like minds that believe as I do...

posted April 07, 2013 09:40 PM            

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Originally posted by felngfrogy:
And Padre I don't suspect you say anything without knowledge of what you are talking about! That's why I asking for some wisdom I trust your view on this uu thing...I guess when people ask are you a christian or what do you believe in...id like to find a simple way of defining my faith that most people would grasp. Any thought on what that would be called?

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Honestly do not know as I'm rarely, as in every 10 yrs or so, asked.

I just do not appear to be a Christian, in fact, one friend told me recently "..you have the eyes of a nazi wolf.." the second friend whom I mentioned this to thought for a moment and sai "..yeah..you do have eyes of a nazi wolf.."

Uhm, for some reason this tends to preclude such questions?

When I am asked, I tend to look whomever dead in the eye and speak the truth, "..God was there when I was all alone, you or them or whomever, was not.."

that sort of tends to clear the floor

posted April 07, 2013 10:14 PM            

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Originally posted by felngfrogy:
Padre that was very well said!

And the eyes of a nazi wolf! That brought laughter my way! Never heard that beofre, will have to visualize on that!

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JANovac on facebook!

posted April 07, 2013 10:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
JANovac on facebook!

And actually the reality is that it is not as exciting as it sounds..I attract the uhm, offbeat folks and get accused of all sorts of things that are not true, but it just makes people uncomfortable

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posted April 07, 2013 10:32 PM            

However this thread is not about me, it's about what you had to say!

posted April 07, 2013 10:37 PM            

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Originally posted by felngfrogy:
Is JANovac you on facebook? I searched it and this name alone did not come up.

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https://www.facebook.com/ja.novac.1?ref=tn_tnmn

New to FB tbh, and that pic was taken next to a fire and if one looks..I have the fakest smile..shh..don't tell anyone..

Lexxi was supposed to give me an aura reading so a buddy snapped the photo in January and it is one of the few pics I have of myself so tossed it up.

posted April 07, 2013 10:44 PM            

Thus I asked.

For myself I find peace biking up the mtn side at 3 am when no one else is out and it is just so quiet and peaceful and at the top of the Mtn the stars are out and the skyline of the city is off to the left w/mtns in the background.

posted April 07, 2013 10:48 PM            

Is Lexxi ok? I've seen post that suggest she and her partner may be ill? Of course that is her buisness to tell...so no hard feelings if you don't.