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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted April 23, 2013 05:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"For years I condemned it as unscientific and totally irrational. This was the usual formula for astronomers. Just as they have done for a long time, I condemned without making an adequate investigation of what I was condemning. Such a procedure is the utter negation of the scientific attitude, but I was quite blind to the fact at the time and mistakenly assumed I was rendering a useful service to science."

This quote is reproduced from John O'Neill's historic letter to astrologer Sydney Omarr, written in 1951. O'Neill was an accomplished astronomer, as well science editor of the New York Herald Tribune, and winner of the Pulitzer Prize and of the prestigious Clement Cleveland Medal. A true man of science. Yet, for years, he supported a position which was, in his own words, "the utter negation of the scientific attitude".

O'Neill is hardly the first celebrated "man of science" to change his mind, and to express his approval of astrology, along with his regret and disappointment at the systematic stigmatization of astrology within the scientific community; the complete failure of most scientists to accord it a fair hearing in conformity with the scientific method.

It makes you wonder how many other good things are being suppressed and dismissed in the name of science. How often do scientists, and the most vocal supporters of science, completely contradict the principles which are most dear and necessary to Science itself? How often has science, and scientists, been used in the service of less than evolved ends?

We know that the average man on the street knows very little of "double-blind studies", and has little patience for the subtleties of scientific processes. Yet, nothing -- not even religion -- so thoroughly commands his undivided and unquestioning allegiance. It is enough for a company to produce so-called "scientific findings" for the masses to give their unmitigated support. Of course, anyone who has seriously investigated the matter, knows perfectly well how easy it is to falsify research and to make statistics speak in favor of the lie.

Consider, what would war be like without guns, grenades, tanks, stealth bombers, nuclear and biological weapons? Who made these things, if not engineers and other men of science? What did they make them for, if not to terrorize and wreak devastation on others? And who put Flouride in our water? Who makes sure all manner of toxic chemicals make it into our food? Who invented those televisions which work miracles in spreading misinformation and promoting the most cold-blooded political agendas all around the globe? Surely, men of science helped to create these things, which we know are not only sources of deception, disease, and death, but also pose the only serious threat to the existence of life on this planet.

Science, then, must be evil, right?
The source of all society's worst ills?

No, no, absolutely not!

Sure, a quick look around might easily convince us otherwise, and certainly many non-industrialized cultures have been slow to embrace technological progress, in light of so many blunders committed in the name of science. But, just because scientists are flawed, and science has often been misused in support of horrific ends, science itself is not to blame, is it? There are plenty of good scientists, aren't there? And science has accomplished so much that is good and useful to mankind. It would be utter foolishness to wage a war on something, just because that thing has been used to silence, mislead, sicken, and murder countless people. Right?

What do you think?

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doommlord
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posted April 23, 2013 07:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for doommlord     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Science is to be used at the hands of its wielder and not in that empty matter you put it.

Science does not kill or poison or does anything....in fact its completly neutral.

It will be like saying that science was used for killing and pain and destruction becuse it was held in the hands of religion maniac wishing to kill all thats unwilling to bow to their faith...

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Lexxigramer
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posted April 23, 2013 08:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by doommlord:
Science is to be used at the hands of its wielder and not in that empty matter you put it.

Science does not kill or poison or does anything....in fact its completely neutral.

It will be like saying that science was used for killing and pain and destruction because it was held in the hands of religious maniac wishing to kill all that's unwilling to bow to their faith...



Tesla like Einstein; and others, were not happy with all the uses their inventions were/are used for.
Crazy people, power mad people, will use
anything;
be it natural or man made;
to do what they want, gain what they want;
hurt who they want to.
Should electricity have been denied to humanity because of all the abusive things it is used for?
Of course not.
Overall I would say that in the little over a century since electrical power came to be;
that the world is a better place than in all the time since back to the dawn of humanity.
Communications globally happen now in seconds compared with days, weeks, months before satellites and all;
a time I am old enough to remember;
a time before home computers, LED crystal or plasma anything, microwave ovens, pocket calculators, cds/dvds,
and the list goes on.

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posted April 23, 2013 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
“The Duality of One is the Unity of two.”
― Joey Lawsin

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posted April 23, 2013 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
a few more:

“There isn't anything to worry about between science and religion, because the contradictions are just in your own mind. Of course they are there, but they are not in the Lord's mind because He made the whole thing, so there is a way, if we are smart enough, to understand them so that we will not have any contradictions.”
― Henry J. Eyring

“I don't argue things being spiritual vs scientific, because I've never met anyone who knows enough about either to be convincing.”
― S. Kelley Harrell

“In our country religion is not different from philosophy and religion & philosophy don’t differ from science.”
― Virchand Raghavji Gandhi

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PixieJane
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posted April 23, 2013 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you should stop treating science & religion as a dichotomy (it almost comes off as treating them as God & Satan). They're more apples & oranges and from what I recall of earlier threads you came off as hypersensitive & defensive, as not really understanding the scientific method or objective thought (as opposed to mystical thinking), or of being able to tell the difference between dogma that gets people killed & technology created by science as a tool to inflict dogma. (I mean if you want to show how "scientific thinking can be evil" then you should compare it to say eugenics in the US rather than tools, but even that had heavy religious support.)

Fire (interesting enough, something the gods are said to have punished humanity for having stolen in some traditions, like Prometheus) is a tool that is both lifesaving and life destroying but doesn't promote a dogma that encourages destruction. I see fire as part of science, but burning people at the stake as religious.

And as for nukes, I can't help but recall how Truman thanked Providence for being the first to develop a working atomic bomb and publicly prayed over the radio that God guides the nation to use it "in His ways and for His purposes."

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted April 23, 2013 10:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted April 23, 2013 10:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good answer, LEXX.

doommlord and Pixie,

I think you missed the point.
Better check your sarcasm detectors.

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