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Randall
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posted May 28, 2013 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
While I support freedom of expression here, at the same time, I also want a loving ambiance of acceptance, so that people from all walks of life feel safe to express their beliefs here and engage in the free exdpresion thereof. People don't have to all agree with each other, but they also should not criticize the beliefs of others who don't believe the same as they. This Forum celebrates the diversity of religious beliefs throughout the world. I don't want to see extremists being categorized as synonymous with any religious affiliation; nor do I want to see any religion bashed. That includes Christianity. I, myself, have been guilty of that one. The official position of Lindaland is that there is no one right way over any others. That being said, I do not want any name-calling or finger-pointing on this thread.

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posted May 28, 2013 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Hmm, glad you mentioned "including Christianity" Randall is it seems to have a target on it's back that other faith/philosophy/spirituality or lack thereof seems to have atm.

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posted May 28, 2013 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mockingbird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Perhaps because members of others faiths/philosophies/etc haven't been coming on this forum and telling others that they're damned and allied with the devil :/

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posted May 28, 2013 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Padre35:

Hmm, glad you mentioned "including Christianity" Randall is it seems to have a target on it's back that other faith/philosophy/spirituality or lack thereof seems to have atm.

That is because it is the only religion practiced by a certain person here at LL that has been against all other religions and its believer(s) damn all non Christians repeatedly.
I have never seen a Muslim, or a believer in any other religion here at LL talking hate for anyone who is not whatever religion they are.
Target on back of Christians? Only because certain ones repeatedly have no respect for and hate all the people who are not Christians.
If certain Christians did not preach hate;
then no one would be "targeting" them as they have been targeting all people who do not believe as they do.
Not pointing fingers but if Christians do not want to be "targeted"
then simply stop preaching hellfire and damnation and destruction for all people who are not Christian.
I do not think a fundie can do that though.

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posted May 28, 2013 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mockingbird:
^ Perhaps because members of others faiths/philosophies/etc haven't been coming on this forum and telling others that they're damned and allied with the devil :/
More succinct that my rambling..
but yes...
in a nutshell that is the truth of the matter.
I miss the
Parsi and Muslims I used to converse with and other religions too. But the rabid born again hate messages have driven them away and made others afraid to post.

Discussing ancient religions and gods has ended and other diverse discussions because every time one turns around they are being told they are eternally dammed yadda yadda yadda....and Christianity forcefully shoved at them with hate messages attached.
This has become an omg hide or watch your back place for fear of being set upon repeatedly by hateful fundie preaching. That is just wrong coming from any religion.
LL only has Christian fundie no other religion has been shoved at people here and no person of any other religion has preached hate for mot of humanity.
So learn to believe in love and peace for All of humanity, and pray if you pray that no one ever be damned, pray for no hell for anyone.
Pray for love and peace for all humanity instead of practically drooling over the desire for the end of the world, and the belief that all non Christians will suffer for eternity.
Stop the hating and targeting all non Christians and the target you perceive will vanish.
Love and Peace and Blessings to all humanity.

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posted May 28, 2013 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Christian-bashing has gone on here for many years. From here on out, no bashing of any religion or belief system. And I do politely request that this thread not become an inquisition.

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posted May 28, 2013 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Randall:
Christian-bashing has gone on here for many years. From here on out, no bashing of any religion or belief system. And I do politely request that this thread not become an inquisition.
What do you call bashing?
Are you saying that
I cannot say I feel the crucifixion and other stories are untrue?
I cannot say I believe angels are evil?
I cannot discuss my theories on Yeshua and other things?
I cannot call Moses evil (he was) and others evil too? (many were)
So what is permitted and what is not?


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posted May 28, 2013 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Intellectual debate and questioning things is allowable, but not condemning an entire religion. Just reflect, "What would a Christian think if reading this?" If we want to be fair, we should be fair across-the-board. All-inclusive words like Christian and Christianity should be avoided. So, it's a thin line to walk--but it can be done. It's okay to question parts of belief systems as long as the entire belief system isn't condemned. People are in an uproar due to Islam being chastized (as they should be), but Christianity has taken a beating since the inception of LL, and that's not fair. I'm to blame. It is reflective of the leader downward (me), as I played my active role in it. Bottom line: No person of any faith should feel unwelcome or ridiculed in any way at LL. The can of worms is open now, so let's deal with it and make the best of it. Onward and upward!

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posted May 28, 2013 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is a touchy subject. I'm sure Christians (whose entire religion is based upon the cricifixion and resurrection) would be offended at hearing that it is false. But free speech is also valued. So, I guess I am saying to frame things in an intellectual reference without condemning those who believe otherwise.

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Originally posted by Lexxigramer:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Randall:
[b]Christian-bashing has gone on here for many years. From here on out, no bashing of any religion or belief system. And I do politely request that this thread not become an inquisition.

What do you call bashing?
Are you saying that
I cannot say I feel the crucifixion and other stories are untrue?
I cannot say I believe angels are evil?
I cannot discuss my theories on Yeshua and other things?
I cannot call Moses evil (he was) and others evil too? (many were)
So what is permitted and what is not?

[/B][/QUOTE]

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posted May 28, 2013 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Likewise, atheism is a belief system, as well. Lack of a belief in a deity is a belief in and of itself.

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posted May 28, 2013 05:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And no, I don't support Ami's beliefs any more than I support anyone else's beliefs. I don't agree with a lot of what is posted at Lindaland. I just provide for the venue. I do support free speech, though. But there has to be a happy medium between the two extremes.

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posted May 28, 2013 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Randall:
This is a touchy subject. I'm sure Christians (whose entire religion is based upon the cricifixion and resurrection) would be offended at hearing that it is false. But free speech is also valued. So, I guess I am saying to frame things in an intellectual reference without condemning those who believe otherwise.


Well, tbh that is a very old line of thinking, mostly attributed to Gnosticism and is a valid alternative viewpoint imo.

I think more problematic is the RC's problematic being painted onto every Christian.

Atheism also is no real issue, the problem is when "well that is a lie/fairy tale" etc is sprung, no other faith has the same thing said about it and have it be countenanced.

Other thing is the Westboro group, as if every Christian is expected to either defend or condemn their actions when 99.9% have -0- to do with anything they do.

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posted May 28, 2013 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It will take some effort, but if we all mutually agree that we want to provide for the free flowing of ideas without condemnation, then we can foster it.

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posted May 28, 2013 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Randall:
This is a touchy subject. I'm sure Christians (whose entire religion is based upon the cricifixion and resurrection) would be offended at hearing that it is false. But free speech is also valued. So, I guess I am saying to frame things in an intellectual reference without condemning those who believe otherwise.


quote:
What do you call bashing?
Are you saying that
I cannot say I feel the crucifixion and other stories are untrue?
I cannot say I believe angels are evil?
I cannot discuss my theories on Yeshua and other things?
I cannot call Moses evil (he was) and others evil too? (many were)
So what is permitted and what is not?

This doesn't offend me. I believe none of it, not a bit. And I do identify as a Christian. Lexx's opinions are her own and she should feel free to present them provided those opinions don't extend to an individual member. See, it's one thing to argue against fundamentalist Christianity as a mistaken approach to the Bible (I believe it is) and quite another to insist divine retribution will wipe out Ami and her ilk with one of Revelation's plagues.

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posted May 28, 2013 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think what Randall supports is threads that get a ton of hits and replies. This is what keeps the site going and 'strong'. It's this kind of thing, at this point, that keeps this place "alive", sadly.

He "just provides a venue", to let this kind of thing go on, because, just like cable tv stations and certain shows, it makes for good ratings. He will continue to sit back, relax with the popcorn and watch the sparks fly and the numbers go up. And not do anything to stop it, because it's not about love and light and truth here anymore and never has been. It's about Alexa rankings and being the most popular astrology site on the web.


It's threads like these recent ones that keep the place active and looking popular. And it's the same old few that keep themselves embroiled in the same old mess, and saying the same things over and over again.

When will it end?

Already, I can think of about 30 brilliant members who have long since ditched this place and no longer post. They are some of the highest standing 'citizens' that have ever graced the website. They don't post anymore. Why is that? I'm sure everyone has a number of reasons, but probably everyone can agree that this place isnt what it used to be. It's gone to **** . Big time. In a big, sad, major way.

re: Christianty bashing

Your responses showed just how out of touch with this site you are, Randall. You are very out of touch with it all and the members that are left here.......the ones that are long gone and the ones that are present.

I've never seen Christians - TRUE CHRISTIANS, bashed here. It's only the Christians that have no idea what true Christiantiy is all about and the ones that don't practice what they preach - have had others very kindly try to converse with them.

Correct me if I am wrong but I believe shura, juni, HSC and many others consider themselves Christians. And they have been shining examples of what a true Christian is.

Many of us here who don't consider ourselves Christians and never have, have also, throughout the years expressed our love for Christ / Jesus and true Christianity many times. We are able to appreciate Him, his teachings and the Truth within and get along accordingly. Be respectful of others and knowing that there is no ONE and only Truth......

That's always how it has been at LL, people were respectful, openminded and willing to find the beauty in what other's believe.

Things have changed.......and they changed a long time ago. From your replies here, it seems like you are taking Ami's side and being dodgy and posting hearts where you don't feel any and choosing your words very carefully....

Carefully enough to look like you are still the "good guy", but I"m afraid to tell you that the members here - especially the long time members, can see right through it, and I think are probably sick of it too.

It's like you say just enough to evade what's really going on and not address it, and just want to pacify people and try to make yourself look open-minded and open-hearted...

Do you realize that we have some extremely intelligent women here who've dealt with your type before? Women who won't put up with bs.

You blew your cover a long time ago.

It's interesting for me to watch some of the older wiser women finally catching on....

This place has become a joke in so many ways. I for one, don't want to take part in upping your ratings anymore. Because it seems that's what it's all about with you, even though you still have some females duped..

there's a bunch more I meant to say, but it will have to wait.

I'm just surprised at many of the ladies here and have been for some time....how they put up with/kiss ass with.... someone who has shown true colors a long time ago......and continues to.....time and time again.

Mindboggling.

but that's another issue altogether....

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posted May 28, 2013 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Christians have always been accepted here and fit in quite well with everyone else. So stop saying they have been bashed. The Christians here have been respected because they walk their talk and have been a very high caliber of Christians and know the meaning of the Word, religion and speak more through their actions and words here. There has never been a problem with True Christians here before.

I am tempted to make a list of Christian reading material that I have posted here throughout the years along with many others, to prove it.

It's the people who have no idea what being a true Christian means are what is ******* it up for the place.

But then again, the true Christians here have dealt with it quite well and are still very patient and tolerant and it reminds me that not every Christian is a rabit fundie and there are many people walking about the earth who take to heart the core of teachings and practice them.

I try to remember those few....

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posted May 28, 2013 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Randall:
It will take some effort, but if we all mutually agree that we want to provide for the free flowing of ideas without condemnation, then we can foster it.

Randall, for the love of God , we do mutually agree. All of us but one. One who feels it is her God given duty to tell us we're all going to hell because our beliefs don't align with hers. Rein that one person in once and for all and your problem's solved. How tiresome this has become. Just fix it already.

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posted May 28, 2013 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by shura:
This doesn't offend me. I believe none of it, not a bit. And I do identify as a Christian. Lexx's opinions are her own and she should feel free to present them provided those opinions don't extend to an individual member. See, it's one thing to argue against fundamentalist Christianity as a mistaken approach to the Bible (I believe it is) and quite another to insist divine retribution will wipe out Ami and her ilk with one of Revelation's plagues.


As long as there is a basis for saying so, it does not offend me in the least.

When said as a flat statement, imo, it is little different from "..believe what I do or burn for eternity!!!".

If this is a forum for discussion, then discuss the basis at least in passing.

Otherwise it is mere slander and little else imo.

There, I've said my peace.

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posted May 28, 2013 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I appreciate everyone's input. I said Christianity has been bashed, and it has, not any Christians in particular. But with everyone's assistance, we will try to rectify the situation. These are the rules, and we will try to follow them. I appreciate the constructive criticism.

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posted May 28, 2013 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am relieved this has been finally addressed. It`s been a while coming and now we can go forward.

I agree with shura in the context that all get along with each other with that one exception. You don`t see others going at it in a negative manner with one another .

This negativity has affected (me) & many who say things out of the norm for them.

Cause and effect.

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Hmm, glad you mentioned "including Christianity" Randall is it seems to have a target on it's back that other faith/philosophy/spirituality or lack thereof seems to have atm.

Mockingbird gave the concise answer. Christianity in and of it`s self is not being bashed.

This is a venue, provided by Randall and other financial supporters. I respect that and will look forward to peace returning here . We all understand Randall is aware of grievences , mods are on their jobs and Knowflakes (hopefully) know they have a voice and all is welcome .


Let`s give a chance.

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Christian, Jew, Muslim, Shaman, Zoroastrian, stone, ground, mountain, river, each has a secret way of being with the Mystery, unique and not to be judged.
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posted May 28, 2013 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Onward and upward!

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