posted June 17, 2014 07:52 PM            

[A simply question - Why is it not venerated?]

[1] If the Gospels are to be read as historically accurate, Jesus's early followers should have known where the tomb resides. As it was visited by his female followers, and in some manuscripts even the apostle Peter.

[2] Joseph of Arimathea was supposed owner of the actual tomb that was used and he served on the Sanhedrin, and therefore it is quite likely that the entire Sanhedrin knew the location of the tomb.

[3] According to the the Gospel of Matthew, the Roman authorities knew of the tombs location since they had guards posted there.

Yet despite all of this... No tomb was ever venerated?

Does that not strike you as odd?

posted June 17, 2014 08:17 PM            

That's the Temple.

Maybe this?

Or this.

posted June 17, 2014 09:07 PM            

What about records of any of his early followers, so that they could visit the Tomb where the "Son of God" resurrected...

Its almost the entire basis of Christian worship, yet it has disappeared into a black hole.

But when it seemed like there could be some good money in such worship, it randomly reappears centuries later when Constantine I becomes the new "Christian" Emperor. Hrrrmmm?

posted June 17, 2014 11:04 PM            

They didn't really look that tough in Life of Brian anyway.

posted June 18, 2014 06:30 PM            

The crowd had turned against them as well, and their Leader was gone.

The Lions were hungry.

posted June 18, 2014 06:34 PM            

Things might have been rough.

And what does this Symbol mean?

What about Wine?

I am the Vine and ye are the Branches.

What does that Symbolize but bringing the Above to the Below?

Metamorphosis.

He went to Open the Door, right?

Seems to me that most of the Teachings say Look Within for the Keys.

Not for the Tomb.

Besides, Tombs get raided.

posted June 21, 2014 04:48 PM            

I find it very difficult to accept that they literately wouldn't have be queuing up at the tomb, (The Holy of Holies, if this is where there saviour rose from the dead) in hopes that if even they were killed at this location, that they too would be risen from the dead.

But there is absolutely none of this mentioned in history! What this suggests is that it is possible that early Christians had no belief in resurrection, or that Jesus was even buried in such a tomb (lets not even get started on the crucifixion).

At the very least it casts a certain amount of doubt as to the historical accuracy of the Gospel accounts, and on the resurrection doctrine Pre-Constantine I

Think about it... If you were a an early follower of Jesus and believed in his resurrection, wouldn't you be willing to give anything to stand in the tomb where he rose from the dead!? Wouldn't you want to pass knowledge of its location on to those close to you for the coming generations?

But none of this happened, not according to history... Not until the Roman Emperor saw it as beneficially to their new system of control

Sure, I'm just juggling perspectives and trying to better understand the situation myself, but it all just seems so contrived to me that one must look at other possibilities!?

posted June 21, 2014 06:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
I heard the Fish was a secret sign between them.

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Looks an awful lot like an Eye.

posted June 22, 2014 06:24 PM            

Especially if it gave them hope for their own resurrection.

posted June 22, 2014 06:29 PM            

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A belief that Jesus survived the crucifixion and spent his remaining years in Kashmir has led to a run-down shrine in Srinagar making it firmly onto the must-visit-in India tourist trail.
Jesus is reputed to be buried in this run-down shrine in the Kashmir capital

In the backstreets of downtown Srinagar is an old building known as the Rozabal shrine

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posted June 22, 2014 10:54 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Of course they'd visit his grave, the same way people want to visit where they think he was crucified, like here:
http://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g293983 -d325092-Reviews-Skull_Hill_Golgotha-Jerusalem_Jerusalem_District.html

Especially if it gave them hope for their own resurrection.

Heck, if Jesus were to come back the corporations would be lining themselves up to GIVE him their swag knowing once their product was associated with him in any way that sales would skyrocket (if they actually managed to get Jesus to wear their sneakers you could expect a 1,000% price increase) though it has nothing to do with the spiritual message.

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posted June 22, 2014 10:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Ellynlvx:
Consider This.

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posted June 22, 2014 11:21 PM            

When my Grandma used to lose it when her kids got too out of hand, that's what she would say.

I think she grew up in Missouri. Almost got Indian Land in Oklahoma.

posted June 23, 2014 01:04 AM            

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If you are a christian and believe that Jesus Christ rose from the dead, like myself, the tomb does not matter because he is not there. A tomb/grave is a place of death,not life.

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The great irony of this statement, is that it appears to be based upon the accuracy of the Gospel accounts. The very accounts that if accurate should have led to the preservation of the tomb location, and thus adding credence to the belief in resurrection.

The fact that the tomb location is lost to time, (if it even existed) and the absence of any veneration by early Christians actually “transfigures” (couldn't resist) into strong evidence against the resurrection

Now, while absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, It does however leave little room to manoeuvre

So we have No tomb, No body, No credible evidence, my guess is your honour is that he simply rose into heaven... !

People must have infallible faith in the “Empire” that gifted them a tomb location, and canonized a resurrection doctrine!?

Why would they lie huh, Them Romans... such decent folk back then with no hint of an “agenda”, no desire for power or control!

PixieJ@: Thanks for the links, you know I often wonder just how much traffic that site has gotten from links posted by both you and Lexx over the past few years haha

Yea I dunno if I buy into the whole India thing, but it is likely that if there was some kind of ancient travelling teacher like “a” Jesus, the silk roads would have brought him into India for sure, perhaps even as far as Han-China too.