posted January 03, 2015 08:53 PM            

Thank you, that's an *amazing* account and matching chart. Tr Uranus conjunct Saturn-Jupiter is mind-blowingly fitting for the occasion. Tr Neptune conjunct NN in Pisces counts for something, too, right? And tr sun conjunct Uranus? Or do you keep the orbs under one degree?

posted January 06, 2015 01:12 PM            

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You basically get to see the full spectrum of a Scorpionic world perception.

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I haven't read any full books by him. I've just skimmed though Notes from Underground. One or two pages at a time are enough to alter my frame of mind...I tend to have this same trouble with any densely meaningful book...I am saturated with profundity after a few pages, & want to muse about it for some time before continuing on.

But another problem I have with these books is grappling with the nuances lost in translation...any book that was not originally written in English bothers me this way, but Russian works especially. This is why I haven't read Tolstoy, and only one book by Solzhenitsyn. It's almost like the text is too coarse for the circumstances and sentiments being put across...it's jarring to me. I've just assumed that Russian feelings require the Russian language for an accurate portrayal.

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And then, almost in every story, there is an almost angelic character; a person (man or woman) who is so pure and innocent that all the brutality and hopelessness cannot touch or stain them, and their surroundings get transformed through their presence, and as a reader one begins to see the beauty of it all. It's really indescribable how he manages to portray human life so realistically, and yet, so idealistically both at the same time…and it gets even more awesome if one reads the story behind those stories and sees that he essentially only took his own life experiences and portrayed aspects of himself, and of people he knew, and all of it is basically real in some way

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This makes me want to try again to get through his books.

Viktor Frankl's Man's Search for Meaning reads the same way ~ he talks about people who become basically illuminated with love and grace in the face of unthinkable human tragedy...these rare ones often generated miracles and avoided death, as if the wardens had no choice but to yield to their spiritual power.

posted January 07, 2015 09:15 AM            

No, I never encountered that theory before. It makes sense...something has to account for the fact that certain people can earn the trust of lions and grizzly bears, and get birds to eat of their hands, and others can't.

I think some of us, on a mundane level, dissipate tension with our peacefulness...I suppose it's all a matter of degrees, where a regular calm person cannot influence a tiger but can soothe a baby...and a spiritually advanced calm person can soothe even more than that.

Considering how people are, given to war and devolving into monsters, and my 8H moon/Scorpio NN, I've often tried to imagine what it would be like for me in a concentration camp. As I was saying on the H & H thread, I'm peaceful up to a certain point...and wonder if nightmarish conditions would negate my peace or strengthen it. Probably negate it.

I picked up Notes from Underground yesterday and opened to a random page. I was relieved that the paragraph my eyes landed on exemplifies what I was saying about that book's density:

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I had, however, yet another acquaintance of sorts -- a former schoolmate, Simonov. In fact, I had many old schoolfellows in Petersburg, but I did not associate with them and had stopped greeting them in the street. Perhaps I had either gone to work in another department in order not to be with them, to cut myself off once and for all from my whole detestable childhood. Damn that school, damn those dreadful years of penal servitude! In short, as soon as I was free, I immediately broke with my schoolmates.

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posted January 15, 2015 06:28 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
I've converted once too, to The Church of Non-believers

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posted January 16, 2015 08:25 AM            

- Sag tPluto hanging around my Mercury in the 4th, retrograded back at least once
- Sag tJupiter in the 4th trine nJupiter and passing nMercury later
- tSaturn in the 12th square Pluto, hanging around Antivertex, passed nJupiter earlier
- tNeptune hanging around Vertex

posted January 20, 2015 04:34 PM            

I was losing my religion over time, the second time...I had been agnostic, became a Calvinist, and then gradually shifted back to agnostic/whatever I am.

Losing the last traces of Christianity...let's see...

I had a crisis point in 2008 and I've never looked this up before.

My mean node 18 Scorpio
Tr Node 18 Aqua
Tr Chiron 18 Aqua
My pr sun 18 Aqua
My natal sun-moon midpoint 17 Aqua

^^ Ouch

As my progressed sun moved across that fulcrum of the sun-moon MP, seems I have shaken off the gravity of my Cap sun and started wafting more towards transiting Neptune and my Pisces moon. (Hopefully some day my progressed sun will pass my moon and reach the Aries Point and I will really have a ball. )

Anyway...

posted January 21, 2015 05:34 AM            

I had gone to bed and was having a dream, that turned lucid, and I 'came to' standing in my room, crying my eyes out (happy). It just never wore off.

There was AN ECLIPSE! that night around 11pm

posted January 30, 2015 09:26 PM            

I was thinking about old churches because we are talking about them on Pixie's religion and philosophy thread...

And that got me thinking about a man who played a key role in my conversion: a brilliant and emotional Jewish scholar who took my little class for a tour through East London in 1997. I was standing in this very old, decrepit, and beautiful synagogue listening to him talk about a rabbi....

I was so profoundly affected by this speech that he gave. And I just wanted to be exactly like that rabbi...basically, an extremely charitable, good-hearted erudite.

Though, when I met someone "just like that rabbi," he was actually a Presbyterian. So I just went with the flow and got into that church instead.

Anyway, this man who told me the rabbi story in London was Bill Fishman. Who died in his 90's two days after I started this thread.

I'm sad that on Dec 22 on this thread, I said that I converted in 1998, but the actual groundwork was laid in 1997, in London. I should have said that ~ it would have been so fitting if I mentioned the man who started it all, on the day that he died.

I also smile, learning that he was an Aries. And I'm looking up his chart: his sun was conjunct my Jupiter, his Mercury in Pisces conjunct my moon.

Well he changed my life.

posted April 08, 2015 10:38 PM            

O yes, you know 'what it is' with me ~~ I'm still living and dealing with being in a less-than-accommodating home environment here! {I'll spare you *the usual* details!! You've been 'with' me since the beginning of it, when I joined LL 3 years ago. I have grown so much since then. And YES, some things just 'are'... like, arrrghghghg! LOL}

I've had my own 'personal-growing' kind of set-backs that occurred within all that, too... But we Conquer! And it's my prayer that you also are gaining whatever Victories you personally need in your own life right now. {{another hug!}} (I guess you've been taking a break from LL... I'm thinking about you.)

But! Ahhhnd! MOST-truthf'lly, And How~evah!!!!
(Voice style of historian-Orator theyahhh?.... )

I do come back in brief intervals-- because (scripture) Nothing separates us from the Love of God! The Love of Astrology! And a Search for Truth....
{oh, and The subsequent Posting-of-Findings at Lindaland's Divine-Diversities *grin*}

A Happy Birthday to your inspiration William Fishman.... Born April 1. Here's an URL of him being interviewed!

(topic) Professor William Fishman on "The East End in the 1880s" (1996 interview) [4:59] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02QoXNcLA9A

The dates (and transits) right now for me are within the parenthesis of my own Religious Conversion Experience in that Dream that became lucid. My life was never the same again, after that experience.

FIRST (in sequence of having had the TWO dreams which culminated into the Conversion) -- I had the dream with surreal encountering of two Angels with bright orange-pink laser-neon bright swords in my Curved-Space dream--Monday morning, April 6, 1987.

There had just been a
New Moon ECLIPSE on March 29, 1987, NM Aries 8.18'
which featured a conjunction with Jupiter which was transiting in Aries.

NM Aries 8.18 ECLIPSE of March 29, 1987 was in my 4th House near IC.
Transiting Jupiter was sextile to my Sun, and trine natal BML and Ascendant.
Mercury transiting Pisces 10+ (in my incterH3).
Venus entered 0-Pisces (in-H3) trine MP of my Merc-Gem/Mars-Canc).
Mars at 24+ Taurus (H6) on natal 4107 {Lady}-Nada.
Ceres 2+Capricorn (my Equatorial Asc) (in H1).
Jupiter in Aries in my 4th.
Saturn Stationing!(to rx) 21+ Sag ON my Pallas Athene H1.
Uranus Stationing! (to rx) at 26.43 Sag... ON my North Node/ Galactic Center H1.
Neptune Stationing! (to rx) at 7.58 Capricorn (in H1)
Pluto-rx in Scorpio 9+ H11 (ON my 17744 Jodiefoster & 2244 Tesla!) ... in sky, Pluto was trine Mercury in Pisces.

The SOUTH NODE of this March 29, 1987 eclipse was Direct! at 11.30' Aries... H4,
(trine degree of my Saggi Asc)
(was on my asteroid 1050 Meta 11.12' Aries; and 330836 Orius 10.12' Aries)

The North Node was 11.30' Libra (H-10)
...on asteroid 50000 Quaoar, h47 Poseidon;
...within next-degree of 84 Klio {muse of history}, 59800 Astropis {astrology or astronomy};
...and 3908 Nyx {happened at night} and 1143 Odysseus {feeling like a stranger in a strange land!~~ in an outer-space dream}

The March 29, 1987 eclipse in Aries degree was within orb of my Aries IC at 2+, and the 8+ event-degree makes a quintile to my natal Ceres Capricorn H2, and is biquintile to my Saturn-rx Scorpio H11.

8+ degrees Aries (sextile my Sun Gemmy) conjunct asteroids--
5958 Stargazer 8.20' Aries
824 Anastasia 7.57' Aries {to bounce back from what appears to be certain defeat}
965 Angelica 8.48' Aries
136199 Eris 8.56' Aries
4227 Kaali 8.59' Aries
8990 Compassion 9.6'54" Aries
389 Industria 9.31' Aries

On APRIL 6TH (1987)... {Day of Angels/Curved-Space Outer-Space Dream}--
The transiting Sun was 15+ Aries, ON the degree of my asteroid 318 Magdalena Aries in 4th House.
The Moon in Cancer had crossed my Mars Cancer.
Venus in Pisces squared my Sun in Gemini.
Mars in Taurus crossed signs into Gemini.
Uranus (went SRx) in Sagittarius (on degree of my NN) and squared my Moon, opposed natal SN-Mercury, and trined my Pluto LEO.

The transiting Sun in Aries was making a sextile to transiting Chiron, then in Gemini, in that sky.
Transiting Pallas Athene stationed and turned retrograde, stopping at 0-Sagittarius and moving backwards to the last degrees of Scorpio in my H12. (This was making trines to my 20434 Vishnu, 3600 Archimedes; and Jupiter, Uranus, in Cancer 8th).

Transiting Vesta was in Taurus around 11+ degrees and crossed my Venus Taurus 12+ in H5 (cj asteroid 12472 Samadhi 11+ Taurus which makes quintiles to the 8th House 11911 Angel-VX,-Uranus, and 2832 Lada {music of the spheres} in Cancer).
As Vesta crossed to 17 Taurus, she trined her own natal position of Vesta in Cancer H8.
Asteroid Juno was in transit in Aquarius (within my H2), had squared her position in my chart, while passing by natal Chiron at 5+ (earlier that month). During the dreams, she began to make sextiles to my Ascendant. Transiting Chiron, meanwhile, was in Gemini making trines to transiting Juno Aquarius.

{{note: I don't own a paper ephemeris book yet for the daily positions of the first asteroid goddesses... only a general positioning of these. AND, I eagerly look forward to a time when I can plot some of these other 'holy' asteroids I've been noticing. It's on my (more long-term now) back-burner of projects to get into, if my life keeps on-course, and things keep manifesting for me.}}

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SECOND in the sequence of having the TWO dreams-- was the actual Conversion Experience (Born Again) within the dream itself, that had turned into a Lucid Experience into the morning.

Monday/Tuesday, April 13/14), 1987. It had occurred during the holy season (in liturgical Judeo-Christian calendars). Passion Week of Easter Season 1987.
...(In my life at that time, I was in the least-spiritual frame of mind!, doing the perfunctory church-thing attending a mainline protestant church with my then-husband, and an almost-turned 1-yr old baby (April29) and just-turned 3-yr toddler (March31). I was a mommy-body sort of weary, and felt ladened into the grounded earth; my body was like an animal in nature, the nursing-cow! LOL)

FULL MOON Annular ECLIPSE 23.38' LIBRA
Tuesday, April 14, 1987 (actually still on April 13th where I was living.... Right at the time I was going to bed. This ALL occurred DURING my DREAM!! I recall a sense of feeling hottish and haggard-irritable as I went to bed~~ there was like a sense of burning going on just under the deep skin layers.
This dream began as an "outer space dream" also... where my realization of what I wanted, and the supreme Crying out for 'what I wanted' became etheric-visible -- (Crying out for the Presence of Christ not just to be outside of me, as I'd always felt it, but come INTO me, 'inside') -- That ripple that went out from me like the vibrations of a tuning-fork, rang outwards from me. And I 'saw' it go out (I was surprised). It rolled like a sine-wave, like a giant growing ripple from a flipped-carpet throughout space... I literally (in the dreamscape) watched as the shockwaves went out and ripple-affected the stars and planets, and background fabric of Space.
..Then it was as though my body had turned into a giant Hour-Glass... I felt icky, and like a dud-thing, something left-over, not impressive in the least-bit... like 'a thing.' The sands slowly slowly slowly throughout the night and into the morning. As it did so, I was becoming filled, slowly, as the sand came and flowed down from the top through the neck to the bottom of the glass. I didn't feel special at all. I felt like a nothing, like it was happening to me IN SPITE of me, and I had done nothing to deserve this, at all.
... By the time the glass emptied from the top, and filled the bottom, there was a 'new' kind of Sense in me. It took until the end of that day of Tuesday for it to finish.... but I came through the night of that experience, with SUCH A JOY, that remained throughout my life. The feeling has hardly-barely dissipated throughout what will be now 28-years ago!
.. Since that time, I've been through incredible piercing and shredding-breaking type of sorrows... the kinds where you don't think you'll be able to live one more hour. I've felt as black inside as it can come, and as heavy thick with mud and muck. BUT. That VERY deep deep inner ember NEVER extinguishes~~ it's there, forever. And as I grow spiritually... clumsily, spiritually, it fans as a brighter flame. God is interested in Quality... and his correction of me is on-going. Always a Work in Progress.)

The LIBRA Eclipse (then in 1987 at 23-Libra) was ... in my 10th House. Libra 23 is the Degree of Fixed-Stars Spica & Arcturus-- and of my 30 Urania {muse of astrology who was able to tell the future by placement of the stars}, and of asteroid 193 Ambrosia! {...food of the gods!! yes, that's what astrology has become for me!}

My Neptune-rx {connecting to the spiritual mysteries} is 25.50 Libra (which is conjunct asteroid 1127 "Mimi" ...included that for A.E. if he reads this post! *smile* )

The "Conversion (Spiritual) Experience/Dream" occurred WITHIN THE hours of FM-Lunar ECLIPSE 23+ Libra.

The South Node in Aries was 11.33'rx, and Jupiter 9.55'/10.09' (see my asteroid-placements for March 29, 1987...NM Aries Ecle).

On the Angel-Swords Dream April 6th, 1987, Mercury had entered ARIES 0/1.48 ... in my H3 conjunct IC Aries Cusp 2.30...
...asteroid 1809 Prometheus is 2.28' Aries {stole fire from the gods! and brought it down to earth}
Venus Pisces 18/19... touching my 1912 Anubis {ultimate Egyptian Dream-God, and guide to the Underworld with Sirius}, 4758 Hermitage, /and 7948 Whitacre {the incredible composer!} in Pisces.
MARS in Gemini 4/5 (in H6)... travelled over one of my {lower} name-asteroids (and was approaching my SUN in a few degrees!), ...also 1809 Hyperborea {the point where the earthly and the heavenly places meet}
Ceres in Capricorn H2 (on Requiem, Allegra, Pocahontas) was in an approach to join her natal position in Capricorn in my chart.
Jupiter was in Aries H4

Saturn, Uranus in Sagittarius both turned into retrograde (still same degrees above, in H1-- my Pallas Athene, and NN/GC).

Neptune also turned retrograde, and was back to same degree as above, in Capricorn, also in my H1. (No change for Pluto in my H11).

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ONE OF THE REASONS that I've gone into MUCH 'more detail' than usual here, is the publishing of some articles in Astrodienst (via The Mountain Astrologer Magazine, and the Astrological Journal of the Brittish Astrological Association,) based on this religious-conversion theme.

LINKS to the Articles--
(article)
Asteroid Goddesses and the Mystic Way: Models of Spiritual Transformation
by James Rodgers, MD http://www.astro.com/astrology/aa_article150402_e.htm

(article)
Venus, Mary Magdalene, and the Re-emerging Sacred Feminine
by Emily Trinkaus http://www.astro.com/astrology/tma_article150407_e.htm

Found the first article on St Teresa of Avila (foundress of RC Carmelite Order of Nuns and Monasteries), and her religious-experiences, on the Astrodienst website just as we were about 3 hours INTO experiencing the recent ECLIPSE.

Saturday, April 4, 2015 "Easter/Passover" FULL MOON-SuperMoon, Lunar "Pink Moon" Eclipse in LIBRA at 14.24 Degrees...

This occurred only 4 days ago now. What an article to find and be reading, during this special anniversary of my own astrological-returns and re-visiting with THAT Libra ECLIPSE to MY OWN Libra-ECLIPSE event--- the Dream/Conversion experiences!

Faith! When I saw the first article on Conversion, I immediately thought about you and your thread!! As usual, your timing is Psyche-ON it!!

I feel so blessed to be able to post all this here.... You had it 'already' going for all of us!! ... and I want you to know that you are really appreciated, especially now!