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soren
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posted June 04, 2013 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok first of all what gives each letter its vibration/number? The names Cane and Kain. Phan and fan. They sound the same. But the values differ. Isnt it the sound of the name that you would hear the vibration from? Maybe you get some vibration in your mind from looking at the name's spelling. But ultimately you wouldnt think it would be as powerful as just of how your name sounds. Thoughts?

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posted June 05, 2013 04:57 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Ok first of all what gives each letter its vibration/number? The names Cane and Kain. Phan and fan. They sound the same. But the values differ. Isnt it the sound of the name that you would hear the vibration from? Maybe you get some vibration in your mind from looking at the name's spelling. But ultimately you wouldnt think it would be as powerful as just of how your name sounds. Thoughts?

lol i think you subconsciously proved that numerology does have some truth to it, presuming you used 'fan' as an example of a name.

You spelt Phan, with a capital P, and in Chaldean numerology Phan reduces from 19 to 1. 1 the leader (so the capital letter i guess)...white fan is a 5, so no need to capitalize (j/k)

But away from that Phan, and fan, sound the same, but aren't. I'd pronounce Phan, with a 'thicker' f sound, and a stronger an.
While 'fan' is a softer f, and the 'an' kind of goes on a bit longer than 'phan'.


you also make a good point, a lot of people think adding a magic letter or two without changing pronunciation will change everything, but it won't.

Everything i read advises that the name has to be pronounced differently, even if just slightly, for a new and better vibration to work, so there are no short cuts with this.

however for some people it does work that when someone looks at their name and sees it spelt in a certain way, that their feelings about the person change, sometimes to the better or worst.
so the persons karma or luck changes to, as words and letters even when just read do have an impact on our minds.

and at last the Chaldean numerology is the more accurate one (Pythagorean numerology, almost had nothing to do with Pythagoras and makes no sense at all to me) and don't forget their alphabets aren't using these letters we use...they're totally different creatures, and to them they did give the same 'weight' to the letters that sounded the same...also a lot of magic and etc originated in that area of the world, so they may have had a better clue or two about the 'secrets of the universe' than we'd ever have. (Cane, and Kain could be spelt the exact same way in their language....but i can tell you this, me with just looking at the two names, i feel different 'vibes' about them, and they could be pronounced really differently for non English speakers )

okay this was my 3.5 pennies about this subject. i like your question and wish to read other people's thoughts about this subject to, so good topic choice

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posted June 05, 2013 10:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Each time it is in print and each time it is thought of, it increases said vibration. So, I would say speaking it is a secondary effect. Just my take.

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posted June 05, 2013 10:39 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also true what Randall said.

I just remembered there is a "technique" to activate your new name. you have to sign it in a certain way, for a while (no dotting the i's or crossing the t's, or under cross's at all, and it has to be at going up angle)

and not sure of the details but has to be on a day that matches the new numbers vibrations. Effects will sometimes show in no time at all, at other times within at most 3 months.

basically it is important the name vibrates in your 'mind' so the sound matters, but not necessarily the 'spoken' sound.

i think i saw a thread here a while ago discussing this will go look for it!

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posted June 06, 2013 11:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Print it on stationary and even business cards, if applicable.

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posted June 06, 2013 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A comedian competition on NBC called Last Comic Standing had a winner named Dat Phan. I'm sure the Phan was his name vibration and not the sound of fan.

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posted June 06, 2013 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok well im assuming the chaldeans based the vibrations off of the actual sounds and not the spelling or the way words look because english wasnt around back then was it? The name Desorcy sounds the same as Desorsy. There are some names with different spellings that sound the exact same but from their spellings have different vibrations.. the truth is, probably every little thing our mind takes in has a certain vibrational feeling to it. To actually measure it is very hard.

Also people who dont speak english as their first language might pronounce their name completely different as someone who does have english as their dmfirst language like you said above. So im sure that would change the vibration. There are so many little factors that come into play.

So thats why i dont put as much stock in numerology anymore.

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posted June 06, 2013 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chaldean works with any language, so there are nuances with the written words, and probably pronuciations also.

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posted June 06, 2013 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok well i believe it would be better if they gave seperate pronounciations values. Like 'so' and 'saw' should have their own vibrational value figured out. Rather than just giving letters value. Because someone could pronounce either of those when reading my name

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posted June 06, 2013 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's why I feel the spelling is the main key. We have the alphabet for some other languages somewhere on here.

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posted June 07, 2013 02:24 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by soren:
Ok well i believe it would be better if they gave seperate pronounciations values. Like 'so' and 'saw' should have their own vibrational value figured out. Rather than just giving letters value. Because someone could pronounce either of those when reading my name

So and Saw, both equal to a 10/1 in Chaldean numerology.......further proof that those ancient people knew what they were doing

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posted June 07, 2013 02:32 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by soren:
Ok well im assuming the chaldeans based the vibrations off of the actual sounds and not the spelling or the way words look because english wasnt around back then was it? The name Desorcy sounds the same as Desorsy. There are some names with different spellings that sound the exact same but from their spellings have different vibrations.. the truth is, probably every little thing our mind takes in has a certain vibrational feeling to it. To actually measure it is very hard.

Also people who dont speak english as their first language might pronounce their name completely different as someone who does have english as their dmfirst language like you said above. So im sure that would change the vibration. There are so many little factors that come into play.

So thats why i dont put as much stock in numerology anymore.


hmmm here again, desorcy and desorsy both equal to a 25/7 in Chaldean numerology.

moreover i think Catherine Jones is a good example of the power of names.

The day she got bored of how many Catherine Jones were in her area and added her grandmothers name as a middle name, is when things took off for her, according to her.

Catherine Jones=7 spiritual but could be difficult.
Catherine Zeta Jones=15 a very lucky number.

Am usually skeptic to, but after trying this on at least 50 people i know, we can't always diss ancient knowledge as trivial, as they did know more than we do about these things.

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posted June 07, 2013 03:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i know the ancients knew some bad ass **** . but im sure there are some examples where words of the same pronounciation but different spelling change the vibrational value. like chainj and change. theres a whole bunch of examples that you can think up.

i was going to say north americans misprouncing mexico with the "ex" sound would mess up the vibration, but interestingly x and h have the same value. Probably just coincedence though. Theres so many ways a foreigner can mispronounce a word. And you can pronounce a lot of names in a couple different ways im sure. I dont think all of them add up to the same vibration.

Like "iron". Im sure people pronounce it both like "I Run" and "I earn". Ok wow E + A has the same value of U. thats just a coincedence i'm pretty sure!

Ok heres one. Amanda. Could be "Ah Man Dah" or "Ah Man Duh" Different values. I'm sure theres many more examples. So I'm not disproving the chaldeans numerological system. I'm just saying to define each letter's value can probably get mixed up somewhere along the way. Like I think that the same pronounciations probably always have the same value like "Dough" and "Doe" for example. But when spelling gets involved it can mix things up. But generally when you tell someone your name you tell them to pronounce it a certain way because when they pronounce it wrong it just seems wrong to you. So that keeps things on track a bit. But still.

I just believe the pronouciations are correct but not neccesarily the spelling value. But maybe it is correct.

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posted June 07, 2013 08:23 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by soren:
i know the ancients knew some bad ass **** . but im sure there are some examples where words of the same pronounciation but different spelling change the vibrational value. like chainj and change. theres a whole bunch of examples that you can think up.

i was going to say north americans misprouncing mexico with the "ex" sound would mess up the vibration, but interestingly x and h have the same value. Probably just coincedence though. Theres so many ways a foreigner can mispronounce a word. And you can pronounce a lot of names in a couple different ways im sure. I dont think all of them add up to the same vibration.

Like "iron". Im sure people pronounce it both like "I Run" and "I earn". Ok wow E + A has the same value of U. thats just a coincedence i'm pretty sure!

Ok heres one. Amanda. Could be "Ah Man Dah" or "Ah Man Duh" Different values. I'm sure theres many more examples. So I'm not disproving the chaldeans numerological system. I'm just saying to define each letter's value can probably get mixed up somewhere along the way. Like I think that the same pronounciations probably always have the same value like "Dough" and "Doe" for example. But when spelling gets involved it can mix things up. But generally when you tell someone your name you tell them to pronounce it a certain way because when they pronounce it wrong it just seems wrong to you. So that keeps things on track a bit. But still.

I just believe the pronouciations are correct but not neccesarily the spelling value. But maybe it is correct.



So are you asking about the value of the written word vs the spoken the word?

if they are the same, or not? and if screwing one up will help ensure the heavens' and bounties of an eternal youth and paradise promised by the one or the other is no longer of any good because one of them got messed up lol?

they both have their own special kind of power. The written word is important, as when you write/type you are still vibrating the sound in your mind, where a lot of the 'magic' happen...
just someone looking at the name you want to be called, or the one you already are, through reading it on a business card or article or something will give one more extra point to the 'power' of the name be it good and bad, so spelling matters.

You can do an experiment with names yourself, to see if it works or not...what you shouldn't do is use two names at the same time, as that will just bring you two different types of karma and mess things badly.


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posted June 07, 2013 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not asking a question I'm just trying to prove that the results won't always be as spot on as we think.

Look at this for example. Two people are changing their name to sound like "Man jee" and one other person is changing their name to sound like "Man gee." Person A spells their name 'Mangi' and it is pronounced "Man jee". Person B spells their name the same way as 'Mangi' but it is pronounced "Man gee" and Person B spells their name "Manji" and it is pronounced "Man jee".

Person A's and Person B's spelling is the same, but has different pronounciations and thus they would have different vibrational values in the pronounciation.

Person A and Person B have different spelling's of the name but it is pronounced the same way. So their mental imprint of the spelling would give them different vibrations.

So maybe there is 2 vibrations for every name. One for the pronounciation and one for the spelling. But that would confuse things.
Because we could have another person, Person D, who's name is spelled Mangi, pronounced "Man guy" (like fungi) would have a different pronounciation value than the others and before you know it we have all these similar names that have different values. It's just confusing.

I just don't think by merely defining each letter of our alphabets value that that could not eventually become innaccurate through different pronounciations of the same words.

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posted June 07, 2013 12:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

LOL for sure they won't be spot on...nothing in life is like that, you don't need to prove it

but they still do have an affect.
What you showed is the problems with sound numerology only happen when someone who has only scratched the surface without knowing what they are doing, start applying it. (for example some name numbers that are deemed so lucky are extreme disasters for people born on certain days of a month...etc)

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posted June 08, 2013 10:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It probably does have an effect.

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posted June 09, 2013 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And for people who spell their name differently than the norm, most people will see it the most common way in their minds.

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posted June 09, 2013 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, but then their self envisioned vibration would be different then the vibration in others minds and then maybe you would get dissonnance

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posted October 28, 2013 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very true!

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posted November 08, 2013 11:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The mental imagery also plays a part. In the Fan/Phan example; in one case you visualize an object, in the other you visualize a person.

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posted November 09, 2013 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
True!

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