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Topic: What could make some one cruel/evil?
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Libralove09
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posted December 23, 2008 07:04 AM
what aspects or anything in a person's chart, would prompt them to have an evil/cruel side to them? if you think of any planetary aspects, what Signs would the planets be in to make the aspect more prominent/potentially to make some one more cruel? yes, i do believe planets in certain signs can make things more prominent than others. IP: Logged |
good girl
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posted December 23, 2008 09:14 AM
I think all the signs can have a cruel side when a warped aspect brings it to the fore.
But the worst signs, I believe would be capriorn and (almost afraid to say it with all the scorpios around here) scorpio.Venus and moon in rough aspects (on the angles) with some combination of saturn, neptune pluto. But it would have to be a heavily afflicted chart.Especially stressful in 12th, 8th, 4th. And 7th. IP: Logged |
Libralove09
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posted December 23, 2008 09:35 AM
well, i only have one planet in those houses, pluto, in scorpio, in the 4th house, libra cusp.IP: Logged |
Libralove09
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posted December 23, 2008 09:35 AM
well, i only have one planet in those houses, pluto, in scorpio, in the 4th house, libra cusp.its my most well aspected planet in my chart. IP: Logged |
Urania*
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posted December 23, 2008 09:46 AM
I dunno about aspects, but I've read that people on the Aries/Taurus cusp tend to be lacking in compassion for others.IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted December 23, 2008 09:55 AM
Aries can be cruel. My father is verbally very cruel if he wants to be and l can be very cutting myself.  IP: Logged |
Libralove09
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posted December 23, 2008 10:13 AM
my moon and venus are very heavily afflicted, and are opposing eachother.aries moon, libra venus. my venus libra doesn't allow my aries moon to exist, or i give in to the venus libra. and my aries never gets to communicate to people. but iv done some cruel things in the past that i regret. i have saturn in capricorn, which squares my aries moon, and venus libra, it conjunctions neptune and uranus in capricorn too. my chart is the most negative i have seen. IP: Logged |
good girl
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posted December 23, 2008 10:24 AM
You say negetive chart, but a chart full of negetive aspects is not necessarily a negetive chart. Those "negetive" aspects are what spurs one to pursue and obtain goals. If your aware of the problem, then you've been given the tools to solve it.
With hard aspects and Aries involved it probably a matter of too much energy and drive and not enough positive outlets for it.
Since the you mentioned the 4th, moon and venus, it sounds to me that your mother pulled a number on you and your left to deal with it.What houses are moon/venus?IP: Logged |
good girl
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posted December 23, 2008 10:25 AM
You say negetive chart, but a chart full of negetive aspects is not necessarily a negetive chart. Those "negetive" aspects are what spurs one to pursue and obtain goals. If your aware of the problem, then you've been given the tools to solve it.
With hard aspects and Aries involved it probably a matter of too much energy and drive and not enough positive outlets for it.
Since the you mentioned the 4th, moon and venus, it sounds to me that your mother pulled a number on you and your left to deal with it.What houses are moon/venus?IP: Logged |
Libralove09
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posted December 23, 2008 10:37 AM
venus conjunctions virgo mercury in the III house, virgo cusp. moon is in the 9th house, pisces cusp. my mum could not look after me a couple of times in my life, a total of about 2 years worth of time of upbringing was with my nan. i also really don't think hard aspects between main planets in a persons natal chart can ever be considered not negative as opposed to the descriptions of good aspects. maybe people wan't to deny the hard aspects are negative because they don't want to feel inferior to those with good aspects? IP: Logged |
FistOfLegend
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posted December 23, 2008 01:49 PM
I don't see why Moon/Venus in hard aspect would be cruel towards others.
Astrology needs to rethink its idea of hard aspects producing evil. The chart of the worst person I ever met was full of conjunctions and trines. She had too much self-confidence and too much self-will. Things came too easily for her.
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Libralove09
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posted December 23, 2008 02:01 PM
i disagree about the moon opposing venus, its definitely willing to be insensitive to others.i can't do it though, because its my venus in libra that just can't help but be nice. thats why i hardly ever have fights too, i find it hard to express my aries moon. some one really has to make me angry/flip. frustrated, for me to turn the mute button on my venus, and on button for my moon. lol IP: Logged |
FistOfLegend
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posted December 23, 2008 02:03 PM
That's strange because all the people I've met with it are particularly scared of being hurt, as well as hurting others. IP: Logged |
Libralove09
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posted December 23, 2008 02:06 PM
yeh, i don't like to offend people either, especially with the venus being libra.i said willing-to-be-capable, of insensitivity. or maybe im just speaking for my self. remember, its an opposite, the people you know like me might just be giving in to the side that avoids being cruel/insensitive to others feelings. IP: Logged |
Scorp31
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posted December 23, 2008 03:48 PM
How about the Mars square Pluto aspect?------------------
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Sun: Scorpio
Moon: Capricorn
Ascendant: Libra Venus in Sagittarius
Mars in Sagittarius IP: Logged |
Libralove09
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posted December 23, 2008 03:52 PM
why do u think that aspect?IP: Logged |
CrabbyFish
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posted December 23, 2008 04:30 PM
LibraLove...If you cab get ahold of it, I highly recommend reading "Secrets From a Stargazer's Notebook", by Debbie Kempton-Smith. THere is a section which refers to Saturn in Capricorn or Saturn on the cusp of the 10th house. Either way. I think this may be at thr root of what u r gewtting at. Also..if you happen to be about 22-24 years old...check some transits. I found at about this age I did some heavy self-evaluation.
But I would definately get that book! Or of anyone has it...thye might share some it here. My fell aprt about 3-4 years ago. IP: Logged |
CrabbyFish
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posted December 23, 2008 04:33 PM
I meant to say..my book fell apart. If anyone has this book, I think it would great if they might share the section about Saturn in Capricorn here. And also...listen to all the good stuff your freinds are telling u here, cuz its good stuff too!  IP: Logged |
Libralove09
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posted December 23, 2008 04:41 PM
well im 19, my whole 89 generation has the capricorn saturn.but hardly many people of my generation have it part of a grand square. it sucks when its part of that.
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CoralFrequency
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posted December 23, 2008 06:40 PM
Mars/Pluto in conjunction/opposition or square - can lead to cruelty.It does depend on other factors. If Venus is well-placed, the person will have a strong sense of justice and resist the Mars/Pluto tendencies. If Jupiter is well-placed the person would have a strong moral back bone and again - decide against cruelty on moral grounds. If Saturn is well placed (trines to the Sun/Moon/Asc help) the individual would have sufficient self-control to avoid cruel acts. Having a strong Mercury *and* Saturn (dignified/exalted and well aspected or in aspect to each other) would give one great business sense. They may capitalize on the Mars/Pluto energy by becoming a professional boxer for instance (whilst never being cruel or "evil" according to social standards) If there is no help from other parts of the chart, Mars/Pluto is the only aspect that reminds me of the Joker lol IP: Logged |
Libralove09
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posted December 23, 2008 06:44 PM
lol coral. my mars and pluto are sextile. they are both the only well aspected planets in my chart. my venus is in its home libra, but badly aspected. moon is badly aspected, in aries. saturn capricorn is quite badly aspected too. my jupiter cancer is badly aspected. all of those 4 planets are part of my cardinal grand square. so does this back up some cruel/evil things iv done in the past? IP: Logged |
good girl
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posted December 24, 2008 10:41 AM
As far as the hard aspects go they are easier as you get older because as you mature you are willing to take on the fight with these aspects. They call on you to be uncomfortable, delve into what you hate, fear and bring them under submission. I know from experience.
I also have been "blessed" with the best aspect configuration there is. A grand trine. Well, they say the talent in there is awesome. I don't know because it makes you so lazy in that area BECAUSE you are so good at it you don't have to work at it.
But my negetive aspects I can actually point to things in my life that I have made thanks to that energy.
A blend is best. The neg shake the lazy good ones into something usable.IP: Logged |
amowls
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posted December 24, 2008 11:15 AM
maybe people wan't to deny the hard aspects are negative because they don't want to feel inferior to those with good aspects?Hard aspects DO spur ambition and help you get things done. I know a guy with only t-squares in his chart and he is the most ambitious/hard working guy I know. I, on the other hand, am very lazy and I don't believe I'm at my full potential. My chart is pretty much full of easy aspects. I have a cradle. I also have a grand trine between my ASC, Mercury and Moon. A looser grand trine between my Sun, ASC, and Moon. Life has been too easy. I love my Venus squares to Saturn and Uranus because it gives me a challenge that I don't have anywhere else in my chart. IP: Logged |
Libralove09
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posted December 24, 2008 11:21 AM
yeh, without derailing the topic, i wasn't denying what they can do or bring out in a person.i just believe they are negative as opposed to the more positive descriptions of "positive" aspects. IP: Logged |
Atlenta
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posted December 24, 2008 02:46 PM
I would just like to add maybe a combust venus may lead to cruelty. Moon opposing Neptune can cause the bearer to lose sight of their feelings - not knowing what is right or wrong may lead to 'cruelty' in the eyes of others. Sun square/opposite Pluto can also lead to cruelty. Saturn in the 10th, can mean ruthless ambition, if the bearer wishes so. I think hard aspects' ambition/ruthlessness is involuntary. It's based on an unconscious "unhappy" (and uncomfortable) mix of energies within the person, that may lead them to be manifested as brusqueness, due to the different directions they want to go. IP: Logged |
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