posted December 24, 2008 11:30 PM           

Are you sure you aren't over-reacting and misjudging her?
Maybe she is just trying to be an impartial and supportive friend?
And if that makes the girlfriends look histrionic, well...
Maybe their real problem is with themselves?
Maybe instead of getting jealous and passing the blame you should be taking notes?
Sounds like she might know something you don't about how to talk to your man.

Who knows... These things arent usually black and white.

She has Venus square Mars (loosely), which could indicate ruthlessness in love.
And she has her Moon op Venus, which I hear can suggest that she got the message early on that sex and love are mutually exclusive,
so, she may be sexually attracted to people she doesnt want to be in a relationship with, or love someone who she is not attracted to.

In any case, try to be understanding and accept people as they are.
Even if, in the worst-case scenario, she is a conniving back-stabber,
it still just means she is more wounded, and more sick than most.

posted December 24, 2008 11:48 PM           

i am no astro expert though.

she must be fairly young, around my age? (19)?

her chart looks like it wud have some good synastry, too bad shes dodgy kind of person, i better steer-clear from virgo suns that aspect there pluto like that haha.

posted December 25, 2008 12:37 AM         

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posted December 25, 2008 12:54 AM           

Happy Holidays everyone btw!

Zala - what do you think of the chart? It has been giving me quite a migraine... I am curious what am I missing...I want to know intent though...guess astrology cannot give me that much eh?

posted December 25, 2008 01:08 AM         

I'm seeing her Saturn in the 12...I've got a theory that the 12th house is a place where we put things we don't really want to look at and deal with (my own moon is in there, I should know ) ...with Saturn in her 12th, it's possible that boundaries are a problem. She doesn't know when to stop. I'm not saying EVERYONE with Saturn in the 12th is like this, but I would think Saturn rules boundaries, and if it's tucked away in that 12th house, she's probably not even aware (not really, and maybe doesn't want to be bothered with) what she's doing. If Saturn also represent our fears (which to an extent, I feel it does), then she's very good at hiding hers, and acts detached instead of actually confronting what's going on.

And nobody jump on me for this...because I know a lot of good, decent people with Pluto
squaring the ascendant....but I do think when the person isn't as aware or doesn't *want* to take emotional responsibility, that Pluto squaring the ascendant very much engages in power struggles, and even seems to get a weird, unconscious kick out of it. Alternatively, they are also viewed as as threatening by other people.
I have friends with this aspect and they are very loyal, kind people that I love. A lot of them have all mentioned how at some point or another in their lives, they've realized they put people off somehow, and were aware of some kind of bizarre power game they were engaging in without even realizing it.

Anyway, I think she's testing your loyalty unconsciously. Maybe it is true that everyone needs love and deserves it even though they are difficult, but I don't feel that entitles them to act selfishly and expect to not pay a price, you know?

posted December 25, 2008 01:21 AM         

I like your insights, MVM & PA
I think the Chiron quincunx Moon might be something she's struggling with too -- the Aquarius/Cancer energies are difficult to meld as it is, but when the planets involved are Chiron/Moon, ouch.
It's sad that she hasn't appeared to recognize yet that her own personal healing may come via service to and nurture of others (instead of tromping all over their boundaries).....

I also agree with one of Steve's "keywords": histrionics. I think this girl might be living out of her South Node on the DSC, with either no idea where she's going, or a fear of where she *might* be going. I get a fear of aloneness coupled with very poor people-skills (understatement ).

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I'm curious how one gets that message early on.....

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Catholic school?

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BUD ~

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...and I was very merciful and helpful...I pretty much took this girl under my wing...you know what they say..Don't bite the hand that feeds...

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posted December 25, 2008 02:37 PM         

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I told her how I feel and she promised to cut it out and stay away from him...and then it got worse...she intensified it

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I think HSC word of histrionics was in reference to little old moi...

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As for "people walking all over her," well, if she allows it as part of her plan of manipulation, then I can't say as I feel much sympathy. Since she appears to be allowing this expression of others' behavior, as an ulterior motive and necessary step to proceed with her plotting, then were I you, I don't think I'd have much compassion for her "second-class pushover" act.

posted December 26, 2008 02:11 AM         

Good grief, are those retrograde planets she's got? That's a lot of them.
Her retrograde mercury is sitting right on your 12th house cusp. That's just jarring.
I don't know about you - stuff hitting my 12th always makes me feel suspicious(but I do have my moon in there too, which might be partially to blame).
Still, her Mercury hitting your 12th pretty closely I would think would feel a bit unsettling. And it's not looking like it's getting nice aspects either (am I wrong?). It looks like Uranus isn't making a 'smooth' aspect to it. You don't understand and don't trust her inconsistencies, partially because she's naturally hidden somehow (12th) to you. You want to understand, but something definitely doesn't feel stable, it feels off and weird.

Her Mars falls in to your 8th, and this can manifest as you going out of your way to do things for her that you normally wouldn't do for others. Unless she shows real appreciation and loyalty, you'd end up feeling particularly resentful and taken for granted - especially since this aspect shows you made some kind of exception for her.

Your moon falls into her 8th - well, you definitely have an impact on her, and not necessarily in a way she feels comfortable with. Does she ever promise more than she can deliver with you? I just get the feeling that she feels inclined to try to prove herself in such a way that she might come off as overcompensating somehow - and then falling short when it comes to making good on those promises. Does that make any sense?

posted December 26, 2008 12:30 PM         

I hope this experience doesn’t inhibit you too much in the future from being your natural, compassionate self
This is an excellent example of how honest people with good hearts assume that others will behave the same way they do. And when others are DISHONEST, and don’t act with compassion, fairness and consideration, we are hurt and disappointed. It kind of shakes our faith in our own perception and perspective – the “I should have seen it coming” thing.

She’s acting like she misses you because she doesn’t want to lose your favor and your “protection”.....

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I liked MVM’s noting of all her retrogrades, indicating a lifepath of inner work in the areas concerned. And bragging how you broke someone’s nose?? How childish and immature (pointing back again to negative expressions of that Leo SN, and a really negative manifestation of Jupiter in Leo)

Could you put up her transits please, BUD??

Her natal Chiron in Cancer could be part of the key – and tChiron will conjunct her nMoon and oppose her nVenus around March next year (ouch). As she does not appear to be living consciously in any manner, I expect her behavior to get worse instead of better, BUD :-((

Chiron in Cancer

The Wound –
The core belief and feeling that love was lost, was never there to begin with, and/or will never be found in the future. The belief/feeling that the world is not supportive, nurturing, caring, mothering, and/or loving; alternatively, that although love exists, it is either forever unrequited or we are not deserving of it. The core belief that we are unlovable and/or have been abandoned.

The Healing Path –
Those whom we seek to love, care for, nurture, support and wrap in cotton wool each mirror astpects of ourselves in need of love, caring, nurturing, and support; however, we do not allow ourselves to receive these things. Healing questions include: ‘What did we do or not do in our lives that makes us feel as though we are unworthy and/or undeserving of love, caring, nurturing and support? Why do we deny ourselves this? What is the source of our guilt?’
The love that we miss lies within us, cut off by our own self-judgments of us. The healing path will take us on a journey that will ultimately awaken us to the reality of love within us and around us. Ultimately, by trying to aid others in their search for these things, we will see that they already exist in these peoples’ lives, but are simply unrecognized in form and unacknowledged in existence; this is mirrored by our own lack of recognition and acknowledgement of the love around us and within us. As we learn to love ourselves – the essence of all healing – we simultaneously become aware of the love around us that is and was always there.