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Topic: asteroids destiny and union
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vesta-sister unregistered
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posted December 28, 2008 12:18 AM
I have been very interested in these asteroids recently. I have noticed that when these asteroids come together for two people. It seems like an extreamly fated experience. Any one else ever experience this? IP: Logged |
Got Gemini? Knowflake Posts: 456 From: Mercury Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 28, 2008 01:53 AM
My last name asteroid in my chart conjuncts union in my wides chart.------------------ Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚ Gemini Sun 24˚ Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house) Gemini Mercury 25˚ Cancer Venus 29˚ And yes, i'm a guy! IP: Logged |
koiflower Knowflake Posts: 1984 From: Australia Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 28, 2008 03:35 AM
Thanks for bringing this to light. I've checked my synastry to find Union conjuncts and my Asc and their Sappho - very interesting! However, Destinn seems to have less impact.IP: Logged |
Got Gemini? Knowflake Posts: 456 From: Mercury Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 28, 2008 03:42 AM
In a lot of my synastries, my last name asteroid in their chart is usually conjunct a personal planet, angle, or love asteroid. Edit: I just checked all my synastries and it was there everytime. However, it was conjunct, trine, or sextile. I didn't check for squares or opps. In 4 synastries, my last name asteroid in their chart was within 4 degrees of their sun! What's up with that? ------------------ Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚ Gemini Sun 24˚ Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house) Gemini Mercury 25˚ Cancer Venus 29˚ And yes, i'm a guy! IP: Logged |
aqua/scorp unregistered
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posted December 28, 2008 04:57 AM
You beat me to it i was meant to bring up a topic about these two asteroids especially in synastry to get more of an idea. In one of my synastries i have my asteroid Union conjunct his Sun 1'2 orb, trine his Jupiter 0'5 orb and my Destiny sextile his Sun and Jupiter 2' orb. His Union trines my Neptune 2 orb, bi-quintile Mars 0'3 orb. His Destiny conjunct my Moon/Pluto 1-2 orb, sextile Neptune 0 orb, square Sun/Mercury. Yes i do feel like we were meant to meet regardless under what circumstances. IP: Logged |
xrâräx unregistered
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posted December 28, 2008 11:42 AM
yes! I do use this asteroids in synastry, and like you said they seem to be relevant in these fated relationships (destinn) In the cases I study, Union is very activate specially in the close/unbreakable bonds.IP: Logged |
vesta-sister unregistered
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posted December 28, 2008 11:53 AM
But don't forget even if one is conjunct the other persons where are the other pair? Example: if two people have union conjunct destinn. it would feel like the union was destined to be however, if the other person has their union on others pluto in libra how might that play out????? IP: Logged |
Love Knowflake Posts: 63 From: Canada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 28, 2008 02:20 PM
Hmmmm....I have my Union conjunct my ex's Destinn and his Union trine my Destinn. We broke up a year and a half ago, but it would be interesting to look at the transits of these asteroids for when we met and also when we broke up.IP: Logged |
Iqhunk unregistered
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posted December 29, 2008 02:56 AM
I agree, UNION is very powerful in synastry.------------------ http://www.tamsoft.co.in/articles.html IP: Logged |
koiflower Knowflake Posts: 1984 From: Australia Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 29, 2008 03:42 AM
Would Union be the one that wants/insists/desires/instigates a union according to the planet/asteroid it contacts?Do you think that points such as vertex, nodes would be just as powerful with Union? IP: Logged |
Lana29865 unregistered
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posted December 29, 2008 04:02 AM
I'm tempted to think that Union would play a larger role in composite than in synastry... Just a thought...
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Love Knowflake Posts: 63 From: Canada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 29, 2008 02:59 PM
koi ~I think that it might depend on which planet or point was involved. For example, if it were Saturn then it would be a Saturn union and therefore contain many Saturnian attributes. Maybe it would be long-lasting. If it were Chiron, then it would be healing old pain. If it were Pluto then it would be a transformational Union...and so on. Just my theory. As for who wants it (ie - Union or other planet) I'm not sure. I'm going to mull that one over. In my case of Union/Destinn, that would be further confirmation that my past relationship was part of our mutual destiny. (Not that I needed any additional proof, but thanks anyhow universe ) IP: Logged |
sunshine_lion unregistered
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posted December 29, 2008 03:27 PM
interesting...my vertex is exact degree conjunct his destiny and 2 degrees from my union. IP: Logged |
Love Knowflake Posts: 63 From: Canada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 29, 2008 08:16 PM
Ok, so here are my findings thus far ~My father and Stepmother (married 10 years): My father's Union conjuncts my stepmother's Venus. He definitely pursued her. They also have Union square Uranus double whammy. I think that's to do with the fact that it took them a while to solidify their commitment and get married. She wanted kids, he already had two (and a vasectomy) so that wasn't happening. She left him and came back after 3 months to say she'd rather be with him minus children than to be a mother with someone else. My father's Union also trine's her Mars. One of my relationships (lasted 7 years): His Union conjunct my Sun/Venus His Union trine my Destinn His Destinn trine my NN My Destinn sextile his NN My Destinn trine his Saturn My married friends (married 5 years): His Destinn conjunct her Venus and Union Her Union trine his Sun Also, his Union square her NN My British Mother and her husband (married for about 30 years but *not* happily): His Sun conjunct her Destinn Since his Union and Destinn are conjunct both of these are making hard aspects to almost everything they touch except for Sun and Ceres. This couple stays together but their marriage is not a harmonious one. Her Destinn opposes his Moon and very loosely conjuncts his NN My grandparents who were married for 60 years (and madly in love for 63 years): Her Union conjuncts his Saturn and Juno His Union conjuncts her Moon and Anti-Vertex His Destinn trines her Venus and Uranus Her Destinn conjuncts his Mars, her SN and her Vesta *Edit* I did not include every aspect between couples simply for the sake of saving space. But there were other close aspects like Ceres and Chiron. I think it just underlines though that the aspects made to these asteroids are probbaly indicative of what the union is like and how easy or challenging each person might find the union to be. IP: Logged |
koiflower Knowflake Posts: 1984 From: Australia Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 29, 2008 08:25 PM
Thanks Love - it looks like Destinn does have a significant part to play! Although it doesn't seem to pack a punch with my synastry. Union tends to surface more so.How lucky are your grandparents!!!!! IP: Logged |
Love Knowflake Posts: 63 From: Canada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 29, 2008 08:42 PM
I know! My grandfather died a couple years ago and my grandmother totally withered after that. They were definitely a co-dependent couple, but so in love after those years.As for Destinn vs. Union, I find they both play a part in my synastries but I have yet to do a comparison on all of my own past relationships to make a case either way. Since I know that the bulk of my relationships have been very karmic, I think I've not paid too much attention to destinn since there was enough evidence without it. IP: Logged |
vesta-sister unregistered
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posted December 29, 2008 11:00 PM
Don't forget transits and progressions. As people may come into your life at the time but leave after the aspect has moved. Or certain events may be "destinn" to happen at that time. Solar arc progressions tend to be more karmic than secondary progressions. Psyche will be active at the beginning of love relationships, There will be things above average ( kronos) and procreation (zeus) also look to name asteroids solar and secondary progressions. don't forget midpoints as well mabe the names or other asteroids are conjunct, or square the midpoints this will help describe the situation. it can also indicate connections between past and present lives. IP: Logged |
Iqhunk unregistered
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posted December 30, 2008 04:13 AM
In a composite, UNION conj a relevant Asteroid or Planet will prove to be remarkable.In Synastry, I would look for A's UNION aspecting B's name asteroid or chart ruler and B's UNION aspecting A's name asteroid or chart ruler as a mystical key to marriage. UNION is more of an indicator than a prime mover. AMOR, EROS and LUST for instance are more of action asteroids in comparison. ------------------ http://www.tamsoft.co.in/articles.html IP: Logged |
Love Knowflake Posts: 63 From: Canada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 30, 2008 05:24 AM
IQ ~What would you say about oppositions between name asteroids and Union and Destinn, in either a composite or synastry? I would think that an aspect like an opposition would not bode well, however I also know that they can create positive friction. So might it be a back-and-forth sort of situation and/or someone unable to make a decision or maybe even a case of bad timing? IP: Logged |
Peri Knowflake Posts: 1848 From: 49N35 34E34 Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 30, 2008 06:56 AM
asteroids Union, Karma, name asteroids, Pholus, Vesta and Ceres are very prominent in solar charts for the years when the natives got married http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/020322.html IP: Logged |
Diandra23 unregistered
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posted December 30, 2008 09:45 AM
im glad you toutched this issue cause many time ago when i first looked at asteroids i also saw these two as very interesting.on comparing to my partner chart, i discovered that: my Union and Destinn both cj his ASC 0 His Union/Anna falls into my 5th His UNION opose my chart ruler/trine NN his DESTINN cj my VX and trine my Karma COMPOSITE UNION is trine Venus,square VX and opose Valentine. DESTINN is cj AMOR and trine VX ANd not only they are relevant in these charts as they are in the DRACONICS also: DRACO COMPOSITE UNion was cj VX and trine Venus again.. DESTINN was in teh 7H with Amor and Karma DRACO SINASTRY HIS union trine my Anna and asc his DESTIIN was trine my Destiin and my Union my Union/Destinn opose his Moon,trine VX and MC
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Diandra23 unregistered
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posted February 26, 2009 09:05 AM
IN OUR dAVIDSON asteroid Union is also conjunct Venus Share more about these asteroids - i think the more the better,for us to share our experiences. IP: Logged |
Peri Knowflake Posts: 1848 From: 49N35 34E34 Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 26, 2009 09:22 AM
I had it with someone toomy Sun/Moon midpoint conj Union conj Persephone conj their Destinn their Union conj my Vertex we broke up someone else I loved had their Destinn on my Vertex and their Union was exactly sextile my Union IP: Logged |
Node Knowflake Posts: 2456 From: 1,981 mi East of Truth or Consequences NM Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 26, 2009 12:21 PM
I am a fence sitter about (6583) Destinn relating to Destiny. Working with it a few years back, I went Meh. Discovery Date Feb 21 1984. Unfortunately Discovery times are a recent edition due to Astronomer Mike Brown- being Astrologer friendly and including discovery times... Eris (once Xena) MakeMake etc. And we do not know why 1984 DE was named Destinn. here is the full list for those interested. Feb 21 1984 Sun Pisces 1°32’33" Moon Libra 27°11’ Mercury Aqua 18°32’ Venus Aqua 2°12’50" Mars Scorpio 18°40’59" Jupiter Cap 6°20 Saturn Scorpio 16°22’23" Uranus Sagg 13°15’27" Neptune Cap 0°56’56" Pluto Scorpio 2° 3’ 9" Mean Node Gemini 11°49’41" True Node Gemini 12°10’20 Chiron Taurus 27°53’52" 6583 Destinn Leo 28°40’ a Noon chart puts Moon conjunct Pluto 2 Scorpio which is more likely to be the case, that is a Scorp Moon, and Sun at 2 Pisces, but again I am not so sure about Destinn = Destiny. Sabian:PHASE 149 (LEO 29°): A MERMAID EMERGES FROM THE OCEAN WAVES READY FOR REBIRTH IN HUMAN FORM. KEYNOTE: The stage at which an intense feeling-intuition rising from the unconscious is about to take form as a conscious thought. The mermaid personifies a stage of awareness still partially enveloped by the ever-moving and ever-elusive ocean of the collective Unconscious, yet already half formulated by the conscious mind. Any creative thinker or artist knows well the peculiar mixture of elation and anxiety characterizing such a stage. Will the intuitive feeling fade away reabsorbed into the unconscious, or will the inexpressible realization acquire the concreteness and expressible form of a concept or a definite motif in an art form? This fourth symbol in the thirtieth five-fold sequence suggests that the fire of desire for concrete and steady form burns at the root of all techniques of self-expression. An unconscious energy archetype is reaching toward consciousness through the creator, as cosmic Love seeks tangible manifestation through human lovers. The whole pre-human universe reaches eagerly to the human stage of clear and steady consciousness. It is this great evolutionary urge, this elan vital, which is implied in this symbol of the mermaid seeking human incarnation — the YEARNING FOR CONSCIOUS FORM AND SOLIDITY. ^^ this however makes me totter a bit on top of that fence
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Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 9691 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 14, 2013 02:05 PM
I just stumbled across this "n a composite, UNION conj a relevant Asteroid or Planet will prove to be remarkable.<" (by IQ)I checked a few composites, turned out that in the composite with my best friend and me we have Union. 23 Scorpio Venus 23 Scorpio NN 22 Scorpio (square Karma on 23 Leo)
we certainly have a quite remarkably lasting friendship
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