posted January 02, 2009 01:06 AM            

I'm going through it now. Suddenly I seem to put more focus into trying to define relations. For eg, where they stand in my life, how do I prioritise my friends. Also I seem to be able to open up more and get closer to friends when previously I was very afraid of intimacy. (as in the emotional sense).

I constantly evaluate relationships and am in the midst of defining one with another friend. I alternate between wanting to let go because it is a hurtful relationship and wanting to keep it.

I also read that Saturn in your 7th house means you're more attracted to Capricornian people, I don't know if that's true.

Whatever it is, I think you will go through a period of thinking more about the relationships you have with other people. It doesn't exactly mean that you wouldn't keep some but might serve to deepen them and understand where they stand in your life.

posted January 02, 2009 01:39 AM            

A friend of mine also got a marriage proposal when transiting Saturn was conj natal Venus in the 7th and she got married.

I like Bob Marks's description:

Saturn Transits Through Your Seventh House: This is the house of marriage and partnership. While Saturn passes through here, is can also be the house of divorce. But only if the relationship is on the rocks to begin with. Saturn transits tend to bring things to a head. I once had a client who had a husband and a boyfriend. Saturn was going to enter her 7th House in a couple of months, so I told her that she would have to make a decision. She said “I don’t want to make a decision. I like things just the way they are.” Within two weeks after Saturn hit, she lost both of them. She suddenly decided she couldn’t stand her husband any more and walked out, only to have her boyfriend tell her that she waited too long and he had found someone else. Never, Never put decisions off during a Saturn transit. Do not just let things happen. That would be like telling Saturn to make the decisions for you. You may not like the result. On the positive side, Saturn entering your 7th House means that it is starting to transit the top half of your horoscope. That’s when you begin to get rewards for your work of the previous seven to fourteen years. Unless some other transit or progression interferes, this is the start of a new phase of your life. You will tend to be more concerned with career and “external” matters, less concerned with purely personal and “internal” things. Ironically, you may be facing more opposition at this time. Remember, the 7th House rules open enemies as well as marriage and partnership. It rules any relationship where you approach the other person as an equal. Saturn transiting the 7th House makes you suddenly noticeable and the success that this transit tends to bring attracts jealousy. Be prepared to guard your rear. One reason marriages are under greater stress when Saturn goes through this house is that the partner becomes envious of your success. You may have to make an extra effort to soothe their ego. Or, if you think that it’s disgusting for them to be so petty, dump them.
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/transitsSaturn18.4.htm

posted January 02, 2009 02:50 AM            

Have been out of Saturn tr. 7th for over a year now but I'll tell you how it affected me.

At beginning met a Capricorn man, first relationship since my divorce/separation. He straight away wanted me to meet his parents, I declined and so he set up a dinner date 'just for us' and his parents were there. Never got very far in the relationship.

Also my finances were finally settled from the marriage and even tho only a 50/50 split my exhusband's new wife belted me up and was charged and put on a good behaviour bond.

posted January 02, 2009 03:27 AM            

I'm also divorced - and my ex is a Capricorn ... I like Cappys in general, though the men do tend to make me nuts. Midheaven and NN is in Capricorn, so both Cancers and Cappies are karmic to me.

So the dominant theme here seems to be that relationships/marriage proposals are emphasized. Partnership is under some kind of scrutiny.

Peri, I'd read Bob Mark's description before, and still find that it feels articulate.
It's also interesting that you got your marriage proposal happened when your 7th house planet was transiting through the 7th. Mine happened when Pluto, which is also my 7th house cusp ruler, was transiting my 7th. I wonder if the same transiting planet conjunting the 7th increases the chances. It feels like it might.

posted January 02, 2009 05:47 AM              

But strange enough in summer 2007 i attracted a Capricorn Sun who also has Venus/Saturn/Uranus/Neptune in Capricorn. T Saturn in Leo was in my 5H along with T.Venus forming a tight conjunction and we both have the Venus/Saturn conjunction in our Natals but in different signs.

He is one of the most Saturian people I have ever encountered..it was because of him why i got into (he does not even study astology) astrology/psychology/occult and spiritualism on a deeper level.

In the house overlays his Venus/Saturn falls into my 9H and conjuncts my Neptune/MC. So i guess he activated these things in me.

posted January 02, 2009 06:39 AM              

No i don't it reduces it..but rather makes one very reserved!

posted January 02, 2009 04:52 PM            

when it hit my 5th, fun died. so did sex-life, then my love life, and eventually my relationship. great lessons. sure. it was the right thing to break up. I wasn't happy. I get it.

but it wasn't quite so easy to move on - especially since I had learnt so many things; and my whole view of romance was so darn 'mature'. and dating had changed in the past 9 years!

luckly, the problems with my job and my health came - while Saturn was in my 6th. and while I was fixing those, Saturn moved, conveniently, in my 7th.

the 'what-are-we-doing' thing that started when it was in the 5th, didn't work out. Obviously I was too demanding and scary, apparently. leo man wanted to have fun - and leo Saturn didn't think I needed to learn that - just serious stuff. and while I was doing homework, everybody else was having fun. but, hey, Im so much smarter now. (and lonely; does that count?)

and here I am - one+ years into my saturn in the 7th transit - all 'mature' and with high-to-impossible standards - how the heck would I find someone now, eh? how will I even survive the 2 more years ahead of me? (huge 7th house).

and after this, it's the 8th - all about money. and more 'lessons' about sex and intimacy. by which I mean, of course, 'no' or 'bad' sex and intimacy issues.

great! so when is life going to be just fine? when I'm old? enough with the lessons, already! may I please be ignorant (and happy) again?

posted January 03, 2009 12:42 AM            

Wow, I love this stuff and thanks MVM for the thread.

Yes, I have found the 8th has been a lot to do with money - cristiname and izodesmozina. And power.

At the beginning of the 8th I felt impelled to put the house on the market as part of a bigger picture to move states and develop a better lifestyle with less commitments.

Strangely, I received offers very close to the asking price and ended up rejecting them and eventually taking the house off the market. The problem with the big picture was that I am still restricted by the shared resources with my ex husband(my children).

Anyhow, once taken off the market, remarkably I received two large amounts of money that have been outstanding to do with family tax benefit and child support plus received a good tax return.

I settled all debts except the mortgage. I also had basically moved out of my house because we had the entire floorboards sanded and polished so every room was cleared. We took a week's holiday at a nearby seaside resort and when we returned we rearranged our house and bought a fabulous new lounge suite. I felt rejuvenated and like I had been repaid and brought back to 0.00 balance.

Saturn has just started to retrograde over ura, plu, sun, merc 20*-15* virgo and will finish with final direct conjunctions in early August 2009. So this will be interesting.

In March 2009 I begin full time uni for 3 yrs with the hope of obtaining a higher salary and more specialised work. I will still have to work a few shifts and will probably find the money pretty tight. However, my mortgage interests rates have dropped and will save me over $300/mth.

Stephen Arroyo in 'Astrology, Karma & Transformation' says Saturn tr. 8th can be a time of deep suffering that is difficult to pinpoint. I would agree with this. It would seem that money, property, career etc is going my way, however, for some reason I feel frustrated. Its akin to the feeling of someone holding you down on a wrestling hold until you agree with them. And I guess that would really rile me in real life.

Specific to my 8th with virgo on the cusp, are food issues. My kids are driving me nuts with their food preferences. I have tried to cater to the semi-vegetarians, the all natural health freak, the easily put off and the boy who likes traditional meat and three veg at 6pm. My head is reeling with having to have specific items(smoothie ingredients, avocadoes)as well as enough junky snacks as well. A lot of food is being wasted and i dread mealtimes. I'm gonna have to make the decision to buy good basics, make a meal of my choosing and if people are complaining they're starving after that then I will be switching off. I am spending way too much on food and half of it is being wasted. I am sick of it and I am becoming sick of food.

As far as sex goes, I think it's the same deal as the food. I am sick of thinking about the whole sex/relationship/love thing.
I've out thought it to overkill and now I feel very weird about it all - akin to 'Yeah, I give up - ya got me, I'm really an alien with two heads, so what I dish up u can like it or lump it' haha, same deal as the food situation.

Funnily enough, the frustration has affected my decisions on how much i am prepared to give and then leaving it at that. A side bonus is that I have noticed a major shift in self acceptance and a realization that I can not cater to all preferences and that I have a more reverent regard for what I am prepared to afford in effort, money and time expenditure.

posted January 03, 2009 01:08 AM            

I know someone who is currently experiencing the tr. Saturn conjunct Moon square natal Saturn Rx in the 4th and I wonder how he's coping.

It seem to remember an astrologer once saying that when tr. Saturn squares your natal Saturn every 7 years or so it's like a mini Saturn return. That's apparently also why couple get the 7 year itch - because Saturn has effectively moved from the position it originally occupied (in, say, the first meeting chart) to square itself.

posted January 03, 2009 03:25 AM            

And Chryseis, thank you!!!

You and Cristiname really tugged at my heart strings...I am so sorry things have been tough for you guys I'd be all rah-rah-rah Saturn and empowerment, but that's crap. It doesn't feel good, obviously. Not cozy at all.

Crisiname, I am sure part of the whole thing is that your standards have been raised. Obviously some part of you is done with 'flings' or casual stuff. I'm going through something similar with Saturn on my 5th. There's no dwindling supply of so-called suitors, but my eye is hyper-critical. And I've never been one to casually date, so with this excessive seriousness hitting my chart, I am feeling like it's a HUGE weeding process. The only thing which feels really good about it is that I was always a little but insecure about someone maybe not wanting me, but now i am finding myself in the drivers seat going, So, how to you stack up??? It's making me feel more in charge.
However, it is slowing down dating...again, I feel it's like a process of elimination.
I'm sure you'll be finding someone soon to have a good relationship with, cristiname. You're emotionally prepared, and that's why it feels lonely and annoying.

I really feel for you guys
I think Saturn is more stressful probably when it's on the bottom part of the chart...that's just more intimate. And here it is screwing with the intimate placements, 'adjusting' (and irritating) anything it doesn't like.

I'm wondering if a lot of these transits are having hard aspects to the natal chart? Like, maybe Saturn isn't AS badly felt if the transit its making doesn't make hard aspects to the natal. I don't know. But if he is, please let me know.

posted January 03, 2009 03:51 AM            

Just for you I checked. The answer is that after several miscarriages, I gave birth to my first child (our first together). So, good times for us and our relationship, happy times.

Same old boyfriend as ever (currently snoring upstairs).

posted January 03, 2009 05:54 AM            

I just thought it might be good to remember that Saturn is a karmic planet. Ever since Saturn started moving through Virgo/my 5th house, 90% of the people I am meeting, both men and women, have either a Virgo Sun or Moon and all of the relationships have karmic Saturn patterns:

One woman has a Virgo Sun while her Saturn falls into my 12th house.

One guy has a Virgo Sun and his Saturn and Vertex conjunct my IC.

Another guy I met has a Virgo Moon and his Vertex conjunct my Saturn and IC.

Both of the guys have Virgo/Merc ruling their 9th house and one's Mercury is falling into my 12th and the other's Mercury is conjunct my Pluto/Karma.

posted January 03, 2009 06:33 AM            

Love, yes...it's oddly karmic, for sure. Lots of re-evaluation.
The ex in question who I am meeting with has his Moon is Virgo. In fact, a lot of his chart is Virgo (and Scorpio) My sun is exactly conjunct his vertex as well.
He was the one who got the whole ball rolling years and years ago about marriage for me...what I wanted in one, what I wouldn't compromise. It's weird that he's the first man from my past I see once my divorce has been finalized, and it's odd that I met him when I was going through my own first Saturn return, and then meet him when he's going through his. And right before I married several years ago, he was the last ex to call me...
Very karmic indeed. I feel like I am going to be dining with Saturn in a few days. Whew.
Kinda nervous