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writesomething
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posted January 02, 2009 09:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for writesomething     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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FistOfLegend
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posted January 02, 2009 09:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus is in the seventh, as well as Neptune and Chiron. Mercury is conjunct the descendant. The Node is in the seventh house, too. Maybe this guy is your destiny.

(I'm new to horary, but I gave it a shot.)

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good girl
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posted January 02, 2009 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for good girl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I think technically the asc, being at 3 degrees is meant to be read as 'too soon to tell'.

If we never mind that and look at the moon which shows how events unfold, we see the last aspect the moon makes is 30'= semisextile, not favorable to venus/love.

I'm just beginning to study horary, so my input shouldn't carry too much weight.

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posted January 02, 2009 09:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Well I think technically the asc, being at 3 degrees is meant to be read as 'too soon to tell'.
If we never mind that and look at the moon which shows how events unfold, we see the last aspect the moon makes is 30'= semisextile, not favorable to venus/love.

I'm just beginning to study horary, so my input shouldn't carry too much weight.


Can I ask how you get an error on the ascendant? Is it because you don't take the question seriously? Are you not focused enough?

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MyVirgoMask
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posted January 02, 2009 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm going to practice sounding like I know what the hell I am talking about:

Your ascendant in the chart is Leo, shown by the Sun, which is in the 6th house.
I feel this relationship will serve its purpose regardless of either way it goes. I feel you two are going to transform each other in some major way. Lots of push/pull. Compromise is going to be a popular subject.
Marriage? I don't sense the subject's been brought to the table yet. It looks like you will know and be with each other for a very long time.
If marriage happens, it seems like it won't be hearts and flowers so much as a solid agreement between the two of you after a long time.

Of course, I may be all wrong. Who knows.

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posted January 02, 2009 10:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for good girl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
FistOfLegend:
venus is in 2nd not 1st.

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posted January 02, 2009 10:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for good girl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In horary the asc is ascribed to the person asking the question.
The 7th is the person the question is about, and the subject is marriage so we look at the 7th.

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posted January 02, 2009 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for good girl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
FistOfLegend:
I don't understand your question. An error on the asc? There is no error on the asc.

Rules of horary is if the asc is the first 3degrees= too soon , and the last 3degrees=too late. I don't personally make these rules.

Do I take it serious? Of course.

I was thinking about 'an error' on the asc. Did you mean because I said never minding the "too soon to tell"?
I just wanted to do more than stop there,because if it were me I would want more of an answer.But technically it starts and stops with 'It is too soon to tell the answer to this question.'

Am I focused enough? The astrologer is represented by the 7th in horary not the first, if that's what you mean.
If you mean in personally am I focused, what would make you think I wasn't?

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posted January 02, 2009 10:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, I asked why someone would continually get an 'error' on the ascendant, as in getting early or late degrees.
Does that mean the questioner isn't asking sincerely?

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posted January 02, 2009 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She's represented by the 7th?
I didn't know that. Is that because of the nature of the question, Good Girl ?
I almost called you food girl LOL

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posted January 02, 2009 10:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for good girl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
FistOfLegend:

I don't really know.

MVM:
She is represented by the 1st. The person asking the question is always the 1st regardless of the question.
The person the question is about is always the 7th, and since the subject is marriage we also look at it for that reason.
Zala calls me food girl too!

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posted January 02, 2009 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for good girl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MVM:

Did you mean is she represented by the 7th because she is an astrologer?
No we are the astrologers in this case hence the 7th.

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posted January 02, 2009 11:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Using Moonvalleyastrologer.com's rules, She is the querent and is represented by the Sun. The Asc is more than 3 degrees and the Saturn is not in the 7th house, and the Moon is not void-of-course so this chart is readable.

Again, she is the Querent represented by the Sun. Her question relates to 7th house matters of marriage so her Quesited is represented by Saturn (using traditional rulers, Uranus by modern rulers).

Moon valley says only applying aspects of 5 degrees or less should be counted. The Sun is making a trine to Saturn but it is a 9 degree separating trine and cannot be counted. So now we use the Moon as the Querent's representative and it is making a hard aspect to Saturn. It is making a 4 degree applying opposition. On moonvalley, opps are disharmonious and represent no answers.

That is as far as I can understand horary. I'm still learning about what role the planets play in each house. Your chart should be in Regiomontaus house system too.

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Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚
Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚
And yes, i'm a guy!

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posted January 02, 2009 11:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So the sun and moon have to be together to answer a question about romantic relationships?
What if she asked and her Sun showed up in the 7th? What if her Sun wasn't making an aspect to Saturn?

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posted January 02, 2009 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, the moon and it's aspects are very important in a horary chart. When the querent's significator is not making and aspect to the quesited's significator, the querent's significator become's the moon. But don't get confused because the moon's aspects show how things unfold.

Furthermore, I follow moonvalleyastrologer's rules and I'm still learning but I think I got the basics down. The significators can be any planet combination. But it does get confusing when the significators are the same. Like when the Querent's significator is the Moon and the quesited's house is Cancer (significated by the Moon). That can be confusing. I don't know how to read those charts.

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Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚
Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚
And yes, i'm a guy!

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Lara
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posted January 02, 2009 11:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok

you are sun
quested is saturn
you are in your 6th and his 12th
he is in your 2nd and his 8th

sun applying trine to saturn

moons last aspect is sextile to jupiter (planet of marriage)

l would say YES but it will have restrictions or delay cos of you in his 12th.

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posted January 03, 2009 12:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lara is right, the Sun is in an applying trine to Saturn but 9 degrees is too wide. The strictures say 5 degrees applying between significators. Anything over that the querents significator becomes the moon.

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Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚
Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚
And yes, i'm a guy!

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posted January 03, 2009 12:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
...now I am really seeing that Virgo ascendant, Got Gemini

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posted January 03, 2009 01:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚
Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚
And yes, i'm a guy!

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posted January 03, 2009 04:20 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi

So, as others already mentioned, the Asc at 3' can indicate that its too early to ask this question (cause something is still due to happen).

I would also recommend you to use regiomontanus with every horary chart, as horary astrologers usually prefer that one.

And an other general advice is that with horary questions, its always worth to add an exact date to the question, like "Will we get married next year" or sth like that, cause then the answer would more exact as well. And it is said, that a horary chart is usually valid for about 6 months, cause thats the time you have to wait until you can ask the same question again.

So, you're the Sun, he's Saturn. The Sun is in Cap, so ruled by Saturn, which shows that you're very much in love with him, but there's no mutual reception, so i think at the moment you might feel more for him. And as you see, Saturn is retrograde, which shows that he might be a bit confused, or that he might fear sth. or he's about to change his mind in sth.

There's an applying trine between Sun and SAturn, but since they're 9 degree apart, it shows that if sth would happen it wont be soon. But without mutual reception, its unlikely that sth significant would happen(so its not really enough for a wedding)

The Moon, which is your co-significator and whihc shows the events, will change sign soon, so sth will eventually change or happen, but for now i dont think that its marriage.

But again, its not written in the stone and its not forever, so the situation can easily change in the future.

And especially that we dont know the ruler of the hour (which would tell whether the chart is valid or not), and with that early degree ASc, its not very safe at all to tell anything about this chart.

So i think just enjoy being with him for now.

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posted January 03, 2009 05:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
girlloveboy...how is it he is Saturn? How does that figure in?

I've heard of horary astrologers using the degrees to time stuff. Can 9 degrees suggest 9 months, or even nine days (not for marriage necessarily, but some kind of new level in the relationship?)

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posted January 03, 2009 09:03 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He's Saturn, because its a 7th house question, and classic horary uses the traditional rulers of the signs (so Saturn for Aqua, Jupiter fo Pisces, Mars for Scorpio)

Well, ya its true that horary can even predict the exact dates of actions, but thats maybe the most confusing and difficoult part of horary astrology.

And as i said, 9 degree its a bit too wide to be considered, especially as there are no mutual reception... And in addition, her significator is in the 6th house, whihc one of the worst ones in horary...not very promising for now.

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Lara
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posted January 03, 2009 09:37 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jupiter is applying the DC though and jupiter shows celebration/marriage in a chart!

Ask this question on ASTRO, write

Good luck!

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posted January 03, 2009 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But Lara, Horary is progressive. It follows an order. First you check the Asc, then see if the moon is void of course, then see if the moon is in Libra through Scorpio (that is a bad position for moon to be in a horary chart, I forgot which degrees were specifically bad though). Then you see if Saturn is in the 7th. If all those conditions are good, then you next go to assigning significators. Then you see if the significators are in aspect to each other. If not, you go no further. Horary charts are supposed to be mechanical, meaning there is not much room for personal interpretation of things. Everything has a specific meaning that should be followed.

Maybe girlloveboy can explain better.

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Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚
Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚
And yes, i'm a guy!

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posted January 03, 2009 10:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Try www.moonvalleyastrologer.com/horary_astrology.htm

Also, like Lara said, there are some Horary pros over at Astro.com's forums.

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Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚
Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚
And yes, i'm a guy!

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