posted January 05, 2009 10:08 AM         

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The Asc/Mc midpoint is said to represent a person's connection with "this time and this place". Therefore the midpoint can be described as how a person lives his or her life moment by moment in this place and time. Planets on the Asc/Mc midpoint indicate how a person lives in the now. Eg, Jupiter at the Asc/Mc would suggest an optimistic person, Saturn would suggest a serious individual and Mars would suggest someone whose life is like a battleground.

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posted January 05, 2009 05:42 PM         

The ASC/MC midpoint is the same as the DSC/IC midpoint. Whenever a planet or point is configured with any midpoint by conjunction, square, opposition, semi-square or sesqui-quadrate (and Quindecile) you merely say:

Sun=ASC/MC

And that's what you have right now. Noel Tyl's interpretation of that midpoint picture is:

The quest to be one's own person; to do well by one's self-image; to clarify the persona.

I hope that helps you.

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posted January 05, 2009 05:52 PM         

What do you think it would mean in synastry if someone's Venus exactly conjuncted this midpoint? Would they activate one's quest for love or relationship somehow? Perhaps bring it out into the open?

Similarly, what would it mean in synastry if someone's Venus conjuncted the opposing point - the IC/DSC midpoint? Maybe the same thing but rather bring it up from the subconscious??

posted January 05, 2009 06:32 PM         

It is the same for conjunctions. A conjunction is a hard aspect. That's why you don't make the distinction with Solar Arcs. If it's an opposition, they consider the strength of a conjunction or opposition or square to be unimportant. Just having hard contact (conjunction, square, opposition, etc.) is what counts. So, if it's a conjunction, it counts.

Hi Cristiname,

I only use the secondary progressed Moon, otherwise I don't use secondary progression at all. I only use Solar Arcs, secondary progressed Moon and Tertiary Progressed Moon.

posted January 06, 2009 11:12 AM         

I haven't studied Cosmobiology directly, but my instructor did. I may study it directly at some point in the future, but I hear it can be very harsh in it's descriptions just like many astrology books written during war time, WWII. I cannot do "gloom and doom" astrology. I believe in updating descriptions to modern times as Noel Tyl has done. You don't have good and bad aspect, just levels of motivational stress suggested by the symbolisms of the planets and their relationships.

My most recent example of a planet making contact with my ASC/DC is May of 2007. I went to an artists retreat and a woman who is a photographer asked if she could photograph me and I don't get asked that question a lot. The photos came out beautifully and I was very pleased. On that exact day in my chart I had:

Venus=ASC/DC which suggests - the sense of beauty, harmony, comfort.

I also performed a gig that night playing piano and singing.

The fun think about it was that there was a gorgeous young man at the retreat and all of the women were flirting mercilessly with him. He wasn't giving any of them the time of day, but he kept coming to me to talk, not romantically (dang!) but he seemed to be following me like a puppy dog and even I couldn't understand it.

In 2006 I was performing regularly at a small restaurant in New York City at South Street Seaport. The performances were every Saturday from December 2006 thru March of 2007. The measurement was:

Pluto=ASC/DC which suggests - power performances become well known.

Natally I have Eris=ASC/DC but since I'm don't know much about Eris, I have nothing to base it on. I know that Glaucus has done extensive study and provided the writings of a man who is/has worked strenously with the possibilities of what Eris means, but I'm not interested enough. I know the most basic meaning of Eris which means "chaos" and I couldn't really pin point anything about me or my life that is more or less chaotic than anyone elses.

I do have Venus=Sun/Moon in my chart and it's been quite interesting learning about it. It may be partially responsible for my artistry. Since the Sun/Moon midpoint is about relationships and the marriage of the self, it's hard for me to tell when some action occurs with that midpoint because Venus is also about relationships and...you may already see what I'm getting at.

When transiting Uranus squared my Sun/Moon in 2003 I experienced a break up or sorts. When Pluto transited that point I broke up with someone and when it went retrograde someone very special entered my life and we had a long term relationship.

When Neptune transited that point when I was a teenager I kept falling in love with teenage boys who would later come out of the closet. They were homosexual. It was also a time in the early 80's when lots of teenagers at my high school were all coming out of the closet. I was also going to performing arts high school, performing a lot and learning music at a rapid pace.

When Saturn crossed that spot by transit, relationships cooled considerably or broke up, but my music skills or music business became very organized, structured or I was taught new skills, etc.

posted October 31, 2009 02:28 PM         

my Mercury Squares it 2 orb.

the onyl other aspects are trine/sextile from sun/NN

ain't checked other asteroids.

posted October 31, 2009 02:54 PM         

Ummm....no

Eris is not chaos.

The word,Eris doesn't mean "chaos" It means "strife"

BTW...There is already a transneptunian named Chaos after the Greek primordial deity.

Eris is named after the Goddess of Discord and Strife.

Eris' co-discoverer, Michael Brown gave a clue to Eris' meaning in Astrology

Dr. Michael E. Brown, a professor of planetary astronomy at the California Institute of Technology who discovered the distant ball of ice and rock that he nicknamed Xena, chose the name Eris, after the goddess of discord and strife in Greek mythology. The International Astronomical Union made the name official today.

“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/14/science/15xena cnd.html?ex=1315886400&en=30e10f0d60a8d2af&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

Eris is mainly divergence, diversity,controversy,equality matters,advocacy,ideology,controversy,discord,competition,debate,disagreements,arguments, agree to disagree, viewpoints

Eris' orbit is Persephone,Proserpina-like
For half of its orbiting time, it orbits far away from Pluto.

Because of Eris, Pluto and Ceres were made equals in Astronomy just like how Pluto and Ceres split equal time with Proserpina.

some of Zane Stein's keywords for Eris were Persephone symbolism and not just Eris symbolism.

It's too simplistic to just say that Eris is Chaos or Discord.

also check the dictionary

Eristic

e·ris·tic (-rstk) also e·ris·ti·cal (-t-kl)
adj.
Given to or characterized by disputatious, often specious argument.
n.
1. One given to or expert in dispute or argument.
2. The art or practice of disputation and polemics.
[Greek eristikos, from erizein, to wrangle, quarrel, from eris, erid-, strife.]

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
eristic [ɛˈrɪstɪk]
adj also eristical
of, relating, or given to controversy or logical disputation, esp for its own sake
n
1. a person who engages in logical disputes; a controversialist
2. the art or practice of logical disputation, esp if specious
[from Greek eristikos, from erizein to wrangle, from eris discord]

Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged 6th Edition 2003. © William Collins Sons & Co. Ltd 1979, 1986 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003
eristic
1. a participant in an argument or controversy.
2. the art of disputation. — eristic, eristical, adj.
See also: Argumentation

-Ologies & -Isms. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc. All rights reserved.
ThesaurusLegend: Synonyms Related Words Antonyms
Noun 1. eristic - a person who disputes; who is good at or enjoys controversy
controversialist, disputant
individual, mortal, person, somebody, someone, soul - a human being; "there was too much for one person to do"
contester - someone who contests an outcome (of a race or an election etc.)
accuser - someone who imputes guilt or blame
arguer, debater - someone who engages in debate
denier - one who denies
hairsplitter - a disputant who makes unreasonably fine distinctions
logomach, logomachist - someone given to disputes over words
obstructer, obstructionist, obstructor, resister, thwarter - someone who systematically obstructs some action that others want to take
quarreler, quarreller - a disputant who quarrels
crusader, meliorist, reformer, reformist, social reformer - a disputant who advocates reform
2. eristic - the art of logical disputation (especially if specious)
artistry, prowess, art - a superior skill that you can learn by study and practice and observation; "the art of conversation"; "it's quite an art"
Adj. 1. eristic - given to disputation for its own sake and often employing specious arguments
eristical
argumentative - given to or characterized by argument; "an argumentative discourse"; "argumentative to the point of being cantankerous"; "an intelligent but argumentative child"
Based on WordNet 3.0, Farlex clipart collection. © 2003-2008 Princeton University, Farlex Inc.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/eristic

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Eristic, from the ancient Greek word Eris meaning wrangle or strife, often refers to a type of dialogue or argument where the participants do not have any reasonable goal. The aim is to win the argument, not to potentially discover a true or probable answer to any specific question or topic. Eristic dialogue is arguing for the sake of conflict as opposed to the seeking of truth.
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* 1 Philosophical Eristic
* 2 Argumentation theory
* 3 Notes
* 4 References
* 5 External links
* 6 See also

[edit] Philosophical Eristic

Plato often contrasted this type of dialogue with the dialectical method and other more reasonable and logical methods (e.g., at Republic 454a). In the dialogue Euthydemus, Plato satirizes eristic.

Different from Plato, Schopenhauer considers that only logic pursues truth. For him, dialectic, sophistry and eristic have no objective truth in view, but only the appearance of it, and pay no regard to truth itself because it aims at victory. He names these three last methods as "eristic dialectic"[1]

According to Schopenhauer, Eristic Dialectic is mainly concerned to tabulate and analyze dishonest stratagems[2], in order that in a real debate they may be at once recognized and defeated. It is for this very reason that Eristic Dialectic must admittedly take victory, and not objective truth, for its aim and purpose.
[edit] Argumentation theory

Argumentation theory is a field of study that asks critical questions about eristic arguments and the other types of dialogue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eristic

Dialectic (also called dialectics or the dialectical method) is a method of argument, which has been central to both Eastern and Western philosophy since ancient times. The word "dialectic" originates in Ancient Greece, and was made popular by Plato's Socratic dialogues. Dialectic is rooted in the ordinary practice of a dialogue between two people who hold different ideas and wish to persuade each other. The presupposition of a dialectical argument is that the participants, even if they do not agree, share at least some meanings and principles of inference. Different forms of dialectical reason have emerged in the East and in the West, as well as during different eras of history (see below).

Dialectics is based around three (or four) basic metaphysical concepts:

1. Everything is transient and finite, existing in the medium of time (this idea is not accepted by some dialecticians).
2. Everything is made out of opposing forces/opposing sides (contradictions).
3. Gradual changes lead to turning points, where one force overcomes the other (quantitative change leads to qualitative change).
4. Change moves in spirals (or helixes), not circles. (Sometimes referred to as "negation of the negation")

Within this broad qualification, dialectics has a rich and varied history. It has been stated that the history of dialectic is identical to the extensive history of philosophy.[1]. The basic idea is perhaps already present in Heraclitus of Ephesus, who held that all is in constant change, as a result of inner strife and opposition.[2][3][4] Only fragments of his works and commentary remain, however.

The aim of the dialectical method is resolution of the disagreement through rational discussion,[5][6] and ultimately the search for truth. One way to proceed — the Socratic method — is to show that a given hypothesis (with other admissions) leads to a contradiction; thus, forcing the withdrawal of the hypothesis as a candidate for truth (see also reductio ad absurdum). Another way of trying to resolve a disagreement is by denying some presupposition of both the contending thesis and antithesis; thereby moving to a third (syn)thesis or "sublation". However, the rejection of the participant's presuppositions can be resisted, which might generate a second-order controversy.[7]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic

Raymond
Sun conjunct South Eris Node
Eris sextile Midheaven and North Node (corresponding Midheaven square Eris/Node midpoint)
Mercury biquintile Eris
Ceres trine Eris
Eris parallel Asc/MC midpoint

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted October 31, 2009 05:43 PM         

you have to choose one of the midpoint options
in the chart drawing style section

either
Ebertin style (w. midpoints)

or Keller style (w. midpoints)

then you have to check the PDF file for the listing of midpoints

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted November 01, 2009 10:01 AM         

That said, I have always wondered if the ASC / MC MidP is calculated [ecliptic] the same as the Vertex/Anti-Vertex.
As mine are virtually the same.
Also this point is my POF -AND- my Last Name Asteroid

To recap:

ASC/MC = 13 Cancer
Vertex/AntiV = 14 Cap/Cancer
POF = 13 Cancer
LNA = 14 Cap

Dr Z says...
Major Chart Axes

The Ascendant/Descendant axis is nicknamed the Magnetic axis.
The Midheaven/IC axis is nicknamed the Gravity Axis.
The Lunar Nodes axis is nicknamed the Karmic (or fate) Axis.
and finally the Vertex/ Anti-Vertex axis is nicknamed the Electric Axis.

In the horoscopic chart, the astrological Vertex is calculated as being the point located at the intersection of the Ecliptic (path of the Sun) and the Prime Vertical, a plane that divides the celestial sphere into front and back.

from- http://thezodiac.com/notworth.htm