posted January 06, 2009 04:45 PM         

The 9th shows the abstract mind,the philosophical thinking, the 'higher mind'.

And the 12th is the subconscious.

Do you see a theme when looking at these houses? Mine immediately tell the same story.

12th has leo on cusp= so as the sign associated with the sun, it screams 'red flag, this house important'
3rd echos this = neptune and moon in it.
9th has aries on cusp= mars square neptune

So all three houses point to my thinking being more intuitive, nebulous, unfocus, a daydreamer.....

posted January 06, 2009 06:17 PM         

-Cancer 3rd house cusp (so my concrete mind is watery and emotional and highly security-conscious...yeah)
-Pisces 12th (Oh yeah, my unconscious is all over the place. I've got my moon in there too. I think it makes for really vivid dreams)
-Capricorn 9th (I don't know if this resonates with me...my philosophies don't feel traditional at all. They seem to run the other way actually. But maybe it also means concern with using philosophies in a more tangible, practical way)...and my NN and BLM are in there too.

posted January 06, 2009 06:54 PM         

The only occupied house, Mars in Aqua.

Mars is Square Mercury. Mercury is Conjunct Saturn. Mercury is in Taurus. Mercury and Saturn are Trine Pluto. It sounds like logic and focus, well, I do appreciate practical thinking and the ability to speak in plain English.

Saturn is Opposed by Neptune and Jupiter in Conjunction. Jupiter CNJ Neptune is Quintile Mars. Which lives in the 3rd house. And here I am on an astrology website. I studied philosophy in my youth. Abstract thinking gets dismissed as useless too often for my liking.

12th House ~ ruled by Venus

Venus is Conjunct Mercury, Square Mars

9th House ~ ruled by Moon

Moon is Conjunct Pluto, Trine Saturn, ruler of the 3rd, and in a wide Trine to Mercury

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MVM ~ Saturn ruling the 9th house ~ where is he, what is he doing? It could apply to the practical manifestation of philosophical ideas. Bringing the higher mind into material use or physical form such as in writing.

posted January 06, 2009 07:10 PM         

The 3rd with a cancer cusp with chiron rx in it. I heal myself with abstract thinking, reading, writing.

That chiron opposes some of the 9th house occupants

9th house cusp in sag, mercury in sag, uranus, saturn, neptune in cap. I am pretty much the opposite of traditional despite of saturn also being there. It mostly makes me choose the hardest path to achieve something i've set my mind on. Very much obsessed with philosophy (though I always attributed that to the 8th house sun).

A lecture in professional astrology I went to expressed that 9th house is in a way a house of destiny and that whichever planet is there determines the fate. Also corroborated my 9th saturn, hardest path to the goal experience

12th house 50 degrees long, from 1 of pisces, ruled by that 9th house neptune containing the north node in pisces and aries mars. i've been writing my dreams for years and I intend to explore the subconsciousness of myself and others through my desired profession (wanna be a clinical psychologist, this far im only a 2nd year psych student)

posted January 06, 2009 07:16 PM         

Never really saw it connected with thinking/intuition Lara. I heard a case of intuition inherited from the mothers side read from the 4th house influence.

Might be my mistake though

posted January 06, 2009 07:20 PM         

He doesn't have to be confinement, slowness, and unquestioning tradition.

8th house is naturally the home of Scorpio and Pluto. So I can see how a personal planet placed here could manifest as delving deep into a subject, or investigation into the mysteries of life and death.

posted January 06, 2009 07:23 PM           

3rd House Gemini. VENUS and SUN reside there.

9th House Sagittarius. Jupiter is there.

posted January 06, 2009 07:23 PM           

3rd House Gemini. VENUS and SUN reside there.

9th House Sagittarius. Jupiter is there.

posted January 06, 2009 07:25 PM           

Venus trines Uranus in 6th/cusp of 7th

Venus conjunct Saturn

Sun trine moon
Sun quare Uranus..( not a bad aspect like u might think)
Sun oppose Jupiter ( FOr all my smarts and beauty thoughts...I go off left feild sometimes, I wonder how what I want n think isnt reflected in how my life actually IS) LOL!!!

Meaning..there is a desparage btw what I want/beleive/etc... and what I actually surround myself with.

Venus in 3rd conjunct Saturn deepens my understanding for sure. Im not so flighty with my thoughts...and I am musical.

posted January 06, 2009 07:25 PM         

3rd gemini cusp - no planets
6th leo cusp - jupiter, pluto, uranus
9th - sagittarius cusp - no planets
12th - aquarius cusp - moon, saturn, nn, chiron

posted January 06, 2009 07:45 PM         

Lara is right.The 4,8,12 th are the intuitive houses because they are the water houses (hence emotions) natural rulers being cancer (4), scorpio (8), pisces (12).

But I wasn't talking about intuitve houses, except the 12 because it is associated with the mind through the subconscious.

posted January 06, 2009 07:46 PM         

I didn't point out that people think of 8th also (the modern astrologers anyway) in terms of sex with a few valid points. So I honestly don't know.

Its hard to determine what exactly changes our philosophy, its rarely a clean break, mostly periods intertwine in our lives and maturing or life circumstances slowly transform us.

Good girl, you're right. I dunno where my head was. Makes sense that natural watery houses are connected with intuition

Also the categorizing you made reminds me of Freud.
subconsciousness as 12th house matter
higher thinking as ego and a 9th house matter
3rd as the concrete mind, the analytical. maybe superego?

this sounds like a long shot though so i better head off to bed before I spout out some more random stuff

posted January 06, 2009 07:47 PM           

.The Sun in the Third House: Well, the Sun shows where you want attention and admiration, and in the third house, that means through your communications. This placement makes a person a little bit hyper (like a Gemini) always seeming to be in motion and increasing the need for sensory stimuli. If there are siblings, at least one will tend to be an attention-getting show-off.

Venus in the Third House: Charming speech and, if there are any siblings, at least one will be a charmer as well, or will be involved with some Venus area (art, beauty products, public relations).

My little brother is a Libra (charmer)with Leo rising!(show off)

I have no other siblings.

posted January 07, 2009 09:05 AM         

Just writing that I was thinking maybe lilith as the dark side of the moon could play into this whole creation.

The id is an important part of our personality because as newborns, it allows us to get our basic needs met etc. Thats the first form of communication between child and the mother. So maybe 3rd after all?

Though id is considered to be unconscious so im riddled yet again

a fun theory though MVM