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heart cakes
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posted January 07, 2009 03:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message
it doesn't make a whole lotta sense to me. shouldn't it be ACTIVATED by other aspects, given it's just a secondary AC, basically? and plus in astro.com it lists the trines, sextiles, etc. so what's the reason, anyone know?

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MyVirgoMask
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posted January 07, 2009 05:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Good question, heart cakes! I'd like to know as well!

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posted January 07, 2009 07:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Love     Edit/Delete Message
I'm not sure there's anyone out there who says they don't. Okay, actually, there probably is someone, somewhere.

I think there just hasn't been enough research done on the poor old Vertex. He's gotten a bum deal. The short end of the axis.

Actually, just yesterday I made up a list of *only* conjunctions in my charts between the personal planets of friends, family and ex's to my Vertex and vice versa. Using about 75 people, I had 64 conjunctions one or both ways.

I'm going to look over them to get a better idea about how it works between each person and then I'll report back.

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posted January 07, 2009 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
*bump*

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posted January 08, 2009 12:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message
I definitely count the trines at least because I feel them! Plus, in my natal, my North Node is exactly trine my Vertex and exactly sextile my anti-vertex. My Vertex is exactly sextile my South Node!

And all these points are in harmonious aspect exactly to my Midheaven. My IC is sextile my North Node and Vertex exact and trine my Anti-Vertex exact.

Lets just say I know a woman who's 2˚ Libra Sun is exactly conjunct my North Node. Her Sun is aspecting ALL those points!

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Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚
Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚
And yes, i'm a guy!

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heart cakes
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posted January 08, 2009 01:26 AM           Edit/Delete Message
hmm, interesting, thanks gg! i was wondering about the trine in particular myself. the guy my yearns for has his vertex exactly trine my mercury and mars, and trining my sun as well at 3 deg. i feel like i can feel it, but then it's hard to tell what the feeling is necessarily! his jupiter is conjunct my antivertex by 1 degree, though, so maybe it's that i'm feeling? anyway, there is a DISTINCT feeling of fatedness here, and i'm very sure it's mutual!

love, i've read two or three times now that you only count the conjunctions and oppositions, but it never says WHY. and why is my favourite word, so i'm not satisfied!!

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posted January 08, 2009 02:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for leapinglemur14     Edit/Delete Message
I would also like to know as well.
Why is my favorite word too.

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heart cakes
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posted January 08, 2009 02:40 AM           Edit/Delete Message
leapinglemur14, WHY is it your favourite word?

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Cappadora
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posted January 08, 2009 04:00 AM           Edit/Delete Message
About vertex aspects, actually it’s not just the opposition or conjunction that have impact. All aspects to the vertex have a potency in the sense that this person (in synastry) has a ‘POW!’ type effect on you, (they stand out to you and catch your attention) even if the person doesn’t have the signs on your vertex axis prominently in their chart. The fact that their planets aspect it activates it for you.

Only the signs on either side of this axis refer to your hidden relationship tastes, but aspects to it can serve to make a person highly noticeable to you.

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posted January 08, 2009 04:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
So I'm guessing a square probably feels a bit icky on the vertex, Cappadora? As in something in the planet's energy doesn't quite resonate in a harmonious way with our hidden tastes, or what we crave in relationships?

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posted January 08, 2009 11:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message
This axis is concerned with those personalities you meet in the world whose impact on your psyche registers as being significant, and whose influence affects you more deeply and personally than is average.

Those who activate this vertex/anti-vertex axis attract your notice, and seem to highlight some theme or perspective that distinctly touches on what matters personally to you as an individual. It’s what’s meaningful to you about particular people… as opposed to every other generalized ‘someone’ out there who barely even give you a second thought. It’s what you notice and deem important… as apart from what is random, and seemingly insignificant … about others. The Vertex/Anti-Vertex is a highly sentsitive inter-personal axis that has to do with what we unconsciously need from others in relationships, as opposed to the DSC which represents the traits we consciously search out for in others.

For example… if you’re reading a book by an author who makes no connections to your vertex/anti-vertex axis, even though you may enjoy it to some extent in distanced sort of way, it won’t stand out as to you SPECIAL. However, if the author has some important point in their chart aspecting your vertex/anti-vertex axis, there will be something about that author’s message that will touch you and stand out as especially meaningful in some way. Stuff affecting this axis of the chart gets you passionate, involved and intrigued. It’s like this axis acts as an unconscious filter used to sift though all those random personalities ‘out there’ in the environment to determine... WHO IS MEANINGFUL AND RELEVANT TO YOUR UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE IN THE WORLD.

This axis turns up often in the synastry of romantic attractions. It’s as if that person has certain qualities which fit exactly what you’ve been needing in some way… some attitude, way of thinking, or style doing things that fits your preferences specifically. The people who come to us through the vertex axis awaken our attention to various relationship issues and needs, that previously we may not have been aware of. They function as messengers and awakeners in your life.

In terms of how this axis works in aspect, conjunctions and oppositions are the most significant. They feel like an exact ‘hit’ to what is meaningful to you…BANG! Squares tend to produce sharp sudden events and realizations that stand out to you starkly, and the minor hard aspects, the semi-square and sesquiquadrate, cause a similar effect but in a less dramatic way. Rather, these ‘minor’ aspects usually manifest though quirky little details and tid-bits of information that catch your attention and stick in your mind. In synastry, hard aspects to the vertex/anti-vertex axis show that there is something about that person that stands out to you in a striking way, which may cause some kind of change in attitude, or inspire new way of doing things. They are like an epiphany, and can be quite stimulating and exciting. They don’t necessarily feel ‘bad’…but they can rock your world a little…or maybe even a lot… (so VIRGO MASK, in answer to your question hard aspects are not nasty feeling so much as they are dramatic and stimulating, they tend to inspire change, reconsideration or improvement on some issue of relevance to you)

On the other side of the coin, trines and sextiles are more mild and gentle. They don’t shove themselves at you like hard aspects; it’s more like a soft ‘tug’ in the right direction. These soft aspects may take longer to recognize because of this ease, but in the long-term they represent characteristics in others that ‘agree’ with, and harmonize with, your ideas of what issues stand out as significant and relevant in any situation. Soft aspects are supportive… say you’re watching people move past you in a crowd and you notice a really attractive member of the opposite sex that grabs your attention, and then you remark on this to your friend… if they happen to have a soft aspect from Venus to your vertex/anti-vertex axis they are likely to say something like “Yeah! I noticed that too”. But if there is no aspect there, they’re more likely to say “Huh? I didn’t see the one you’re talking about”…

Actually, a characteristic of any aspect to the vertex/anti-vertex axis in synastry is a TENDENCY TO NOTICE THE SAME THINGS according to the planets and points involved in the aspect.

The vertex axis is connected with infatuation in the sense that it can show how others stand out to you in a meaningful way, and what specifically it is about that person impresses itself on you… their way of thinking (Mercury), how they socialize and express affection (Venus), the vulnerable child in them (moon), their integrity, and how they shine (sun), their vigor and what gets them angry and passionate (mars), their outlook on life (Asc)…the list could go on, even house cusps and rulers can be used in this way…think about vertex conjunct or oppose the 5th house or 7th house ruler for example. Minor aspects, most especially the hard ones, can also be quite significant and lend shades of meaning to vertex axis synastry. Sun or Moon semi-square/sesquiquadrate this axis is an excellent example of this (personal planets work too) as there will be pointed little details about this person that catch your attention, and these details can make a big impression… minor aspects don’t mean that there’s an insignificant connection…

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posted January 08, 2009 11:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kismet*     Edit/Delete Message
Because the Vertex, in my opinion is a point of absolute destiny. If you want to know if you and a person are 'destined' then this is where you would look in a P chart and natal chart synastry. If there aren't any conjunctions, then it's not a destined union. It doesn't mean the vertex isn't activated or whatnot, it just means the relationship probably doesn't have past life criteria. Let's be honest...how many people have trines to my Vertex? how many have conjunctions? Soul mates have the rarest contacts...and this is why I choose to eliminate the more available aspects when considering if two people are deeply affected by each other.

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posted January 09, 2009 12:32 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Kismet~ thank u for saying what exactly what I was thinking. People want to believe use trines/sextiles/squares on important points, and find any reason to explain a "significant" person when most of the time its not the significant...

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posted January 09, 2009 01:52 AM           Edit/Delete Message
woo! love the theories, cappadora and kismet. but here's the thing.. isn't EVERYONE 'significant'? okay and yeah i realize it is all a matter of degree, but who's to say a person can't have a wholey fulfilling relationship, or a soulmate relationship, with someone who does not have a conjunction to their vertex axis? what if that person is activated by a trine, square or sextile and the activation itself is enough to get them to find their own destiny, within the context of that relationship? if you're saying it's ONLY possible with a conjunction, that is like saying two people need to fulfill eachother completely, isn't it? can't a gentle tug be enough? it's too simplistic to say we all *wish* that a softer aspect is enough, and even a bit consdescending. when two people feel something strongly and are changed for the better by it, it's real. if it doesn't last, it's still real. if conjunctions are the ONLY truly, lasting, significant aspect to the vertex axis, and the be-all end-all of soulmatedness then that's cool. i just want some explaination or studies to back it up.

and mathematically speaking, just as many people would have a conjunction to your vertex axis as would have a trine, so.. maybe i'm missing something, but that doesn't register to me as 'more significant'

/end grumble

thanks again, cappadora. that was really enlightening. may i ask where you got your vertex info? know of any good books or sites?

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Lara
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posted January 09, 2009 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
I have a double whammy with my guy and IQ said we were soul mates. How close we are as soul mates, l don't know!

vertex/sun square and trine

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posted January 10, 2009 03:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls     Edit/Delete Message
and mathematically speaking, just as many people would have a conjunction to your vertex axis as would have a trine

actually, there would be more people trining your vertex than conjunctions.

lets say your vertex is at 12 scorpio. a conjunction would mean only people with 12 scorpio would activate your vertex. a trine triples that number because it would include people with 12 pisces and 12 cancer.

honestly, everyone is going to think that their current s/o, crush, whatever is THE ONE and their *SOULMATE*. i don't see why people feel the need to back it up with astrology. if you love someone, love them, but don't think any less of the relationship because you dont think it adds up astrologically. plus a lot of the time, your feelings/soul matedness can be explained by other factors such as transits, progressions, and even your composites. if they dont aspect your vertex, they'll probably have conjunctions to your draco vertex or progressed vertex, etc. or maybe your sun/moon midpoint or descendant or your lust.

ALSO the vertex isnt THAT freaking great anyway. i had a DW ascendant/vertex conjunction (0 degrees) with a guy i dumped my ex boyfriend for. he turned out to be a total dickbag. so yeah, that union was "fated" i suppose, but it's not all roses and sunshine. i have never and would never consider him my "soulmate."

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heart cakes
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posted January 10, 2009 03:48 AM           Edit/Delete Message
haha you can say dickbag on LL? gosh if i'd only known!!

good points amowls. i just don't like being condescended to! i've got a mind of my own and i'll use it thank you very much. more info = more knowledge and wanting to discuss something more deeply doesn't mean i'm playing into a fantasy, was my point. anyway, i didn't meant to be prickly; i just do not like false assumptions when all i'm looking for is info and discussion. phewwwwph. it's a pet peeve of mine.

but wait! wouldn't conjunctions to the vertex axis be just as many as trines (on average of course)? take 10 aquarius. 10 gemini and 10 libra make 2 trine potentials. 10 aqua and 10 leo make two conjunction potentials. am i missing something?

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posted January 10, 2009 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls     Edit/Delete Message
10 Leo is an opposition not a conjunction.

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heart cakes
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posted January 10, 2009 04:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message
but it's a conjunction on the AXIS.. the anti-vertex being the opposite point on the axis to the vertex. that supposedly counts as well, cuz it's on the axis.

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