posted January 07, 2009 05:51 PM           

If you want to manipulate a horary, then i think it means, you're afraid to know the truth or that you already know the answer.

But cheating on yourself will not make you feel better nor make your wish fulfilled.

posted January 07, 2009 08:20 PM         

Is it any more cheating than Churchill employing astrologers to choose dates best to carry out his war plans?

Is it any more cheating than a woman choosing the day she'll marry on??

Is it any more cheating than not proceeding with major plans during a void of course moon period?

Come on, we do this sort of stuff all the time.

posted January 07, 2009 10:12 PM         

Example: Will I get married this year?

If you know that the Moon is in Virgo over the next two days you probably want to wait a few more days to ask the question because the Moon rules the querent (the person asking the question) and if you wait a few days it gives the Moon a chance to move away from Saturn giving you question more of a chance to have a positive answer. If the Moon is close to Saturn when you ask the question, there's more of a chance that your answer will be "No."

A few years ago I wanted to open a bank account but I was having some legal issues that was hindering the process. I asked several times that week about whether it was a good time to open the account and I kept asking at a time when the Moon was square Saturn and it was ruling the 2nd house of the horary chart. I had no choice but to try to get the account anyway and the bank wouldn't allow me. I had a feeling it wouldn't happen because of the horary chart and I was right. If I had waited a few more days I would have been able to get the account. It turns out that I did finally get the account at a time that was more flowing.

I hope I didn't bore you with my examples but that's how it works. You look at astrology and try to figure out a time when it's better to ask the question.

BUT...if you want to get all philosophical about it, the truth is that you asked the question in your mind at a specific time anyway, so the answer will be whatever it will be.

Now I'm just annoying myself. LOL!!!

But I think you get it.

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posted January 07, 2009 10:13 PM         

Sometimes it tells you to "ask again later"

posted January 08, 2009 06:29 AM         

And thanks for those examples geovalentine.

Ithink even people who ask the questions the usual way first ask it in their head, sometimes even for days, so I don't think that part is any different.

posted January 08, 2009 07:10 AM           

Is it any more cheating than a woman choosing the day she'll marry on??"

These examples you mentioned are called EVENT CHARTs as far as i know, and they are absolutely not about cheating.

This is free will. Everyone has the right to choose when to get married or buy a house, and if you can choose a better or worse day, then of course, everyone would do it.
But its very-very different from Horary astrology.

For me, horary is about to get some help from the Universe. YOu can use it f you have a problem or a question, and you would like the Higher World to give some guideline for you.

Horary is not about fulfilling your wishes. It wont be about what you desire, it will be about what the Universe wants to tell you. And if you doesnt cast the chart for the exact time you write down the question, it just wont work.

If you want to see your dreams come true, then its useless to do a horary chart. Rather do an event chart, because its something you can change in order to "look good".

posted January 08, 2009 06:07 PM         

Obviously not or I'd have chosen a better time!!

girlloveboy:

This is life and I think using every available option to create the best outcome is not cheating it's resourceful.

I do understand why you say it's cheating. I just don't agree. Horary isn't something holy and sacred. It is like all astrology, simply a tool.

posted January 08, 2009 10:36 PM         

but why would be the next question?
If it is the chart "predicts" something, why would manipulating it change its ability to do so?

posted January 09, 2009 03:09 AM           

its not that manipulating a horary is a good or bad thing.

I tell you an example.
Lets say, someone ask, if its a good idea to buy the house she really likes. She wants it very badly, so she manipulating the horary chart to get a "positive" answer.

She will be happy, and buy the house. Then later it turns out, that there were sth corrupt in this matter, and so she loses the house with not getting back her money.

The manipulated chart will not work, because i think, manipulating the horary chart means violating its rules (as you dont ask the question properly). Its no longer called a horary chart, because you dont follow the rules. So it will not work, as a horary chart. If someone wants to play basketball but in a way that kicking the ball is also aceptable, then its no longer called basketball. Its sth else.

posted January 09, 2009 11:22 AM         

That was my whole point, is it possible.

I understand your example, but I don't think the universe punishes because you chose your time to ask a relavent question.