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scrappydog
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posted January 12, 2009 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message
These are often overlooked and there is little information available on them. Quintiles are creative and innovative. If you have several then you probable need a creative outlet in your life. It's said that this is where you look for someone's "gifts" in their chart. It can also show where you are powerfully driven, they can even become compulsive behavior patterns that are uncontrollable or obsessive and that we can't even understand. Where are your quintiles and how do you think they affect you??

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posted January 12, 2009 01:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message
this is a very good question. I was just reading about it. I have quite a few in my chart and have not reconciled my brain yet as to how it may affect me.
here is what I just read...


The Power of 5 in Astrology

by Danielle A. Ricard - 2001

in the lives of Modern Legends of Music, Film and Politics

Skip the Intro to Page 2

Often overlooked in Astrological practice, I have found the quintile to be extremely useful in assessing personality traits. Quintiles show in what areas of life one is powerfully driven. These 1/5th or 1/10 (of a circle) aspects between planets create compulsive tendencies imbedded so deeply in one's being that they can become insurmountable, uncontrollable behavior patterns. Quintiles may be quite upsetting if we're not aware of them! They often show personality traits that we can't seem to help or even understand. While this may sound daunting, I believe that Quintiles give us incredible strengths and powers that push us to succeed in whatever it is we are here on this earth to accomplish.

Much more compelling than the dynamic Square aspect, the quintile sends us beyond reason into areas of the psyche that don't care whether or not we conform to or fit in with others. Depending on the closeness of the aspect (by degrees in orb) and the planets or personal points involved, our behavior may become obsessive and uncontrolled. On the other hand, without such compulsions, many of us would flounder in a sea of mediocrity.

In esoteric tradition, 5 is the number of humanity. It represents the mind - that which empowers us to act for ourselves. The 5 represents self-serving, even magical powers. In Tarot - 1 is beginnings, 2 is partnership, 3 is birth, 4 is our foundation & security and 5 is the "unleashing" of our true nature. With the five, we find that we have "gone too far!" In the Tarot pip cards - the 5 of cups creates sorrow, wands creates discord, swords creates a feeling of being wrong and pentacles - material failure. They all seem grim, but they simply illustrate the tragic result of a lack of awareness for the power we wield.

When I discovered my big quintile - Moon 7th house/ Venus & Neptune 9th house - I was relieved to find out what made me behave sometimes irrationally in relationships. Very simply - when there is not harmony, I can't stand it! and I will persist in "making" my partner, friend, child (whoever!) be happy and pleased with me. Rejection is not acceptable... if I don't win my loved one over, I feel absolutely crazed! Knowing this has helped a great deal in recognizing how illogical and unreasonable I can become. I have slowly over the years worked at overcoming this aspect of my personality, and I am grateful to my brother for pointing out the importance of quintiles to me - (thanks Gary!). A less strong quintile between Mercury and Jupiter reveals my compulsion to uncover and learn as much as I can (hours spent at the computer!), and an even weaker quintile between the Moon and Mars hints at my need to act out my emotions immediately. Fortunately I have a strong Saturn that curbs my reactions somewhat. I have learned that these quintiles, while sometimes annoying, keep me on course. They add to my personal magnetism, and help assure that I do something of value every day!

So - enough about me. Here are some vastly more interesting people, sadly gone (I prefer not to write about the living without their knowledge!) who had some very interesting, and obviously fateful Quintiles!


In the chart of ultra Sagi Jimi Hendrix, there is a quintile between Uranus and the Midheaven - (career and reputation.) It is clear that Uranus - the planet of inventiveness, ingeniousness and wild rebelliousness, as well as electricity - compelled Jimi to express himself in a radical way for all the world to see. Also, the Moon quintile his Sagittarius rising drove Jimi to display his very changeable Cancer-Moon emotions immediately, honestly and in all that he did. A Saturn/Part of Fortune quintile clearly shows his compulsion to succeed.... in fact, it was beyond his control!

Here is some text from my Star Maps for Princess Diana who had Saturn in the 1st house (self-image) quintile Mars in the 8th (power, inheritance, etc...) "You are driven to act in accordance with social norms. You do not tolerate sudden changes or improper action. You feel a need for authority and discipline in your life, and would fit well into a highly ritualized, austere or martial environment." This - her strongest quintile aspect - hallmarked her position in life, and clearly marked her stubbornness in the face of such an unsatisfying marriage. Venus quintile the Part of Fortune and Neptune quintile the North Node contribute strongly to her incredible capacity for unconditional love and compassion, and her highly charitable nature.

In the chart of Marilyn Monroe, there is a very strong quintile between the Moon and Pluto. She had to express her emotions in a way that affected others very deeply, sexually and transformatively. For Marilyn, the Moon in Aquarius in the 7th house gave her a coolness that was very captivating, and with Pluto in quintile aspect, there was a tendency to either control or be controlled by relationships. She also had the same Venus - 9th house / Moon 7th house quintile that I'm blessed with (haha) - a compulsion to love and be loved, and a quintile configuration with the Sun between Uranus and Neptune. She was definitely "out there!" - totally unconventional, new, and in love with everyone and everything.

John Lennon's Sun in Libra quintile Pluto/Chiron in Leo (5th house) shows an overwhelming desire to create healing change and harmony for the world - through creative, sexually magnetic, explosive and revolutionary means. A (generational) quintile between Pluto/Chiron and Uranus adds to the sudden shock value of the 60's Peace-wave he symbolizes in so many ways, and an added quintile from Uranus to the Part of Fortune shows how he was truly fated to create lasting and revolutionary changes.

note proper use of stoagie... sorry Bill, I couldn't resist!

Quintiles abound in the chart of John F. Kennedy. A pivotal point is his 8th house Sun/Jupiter/Mercury/Mars stellium in Gemini and Taurus - all quintiling Libra Rising, Neptune/Saturn 10th, and Chiron 6th. Roughly translated, this amounts to a very high profile, powerful person driven to communicate and act upon his extremely lofty ideals - through any means at his disposal. His 11th House Aquarius Moon quintiles Pluto in Cancer in the 9th as well, illustrating well his emotional need for power and recognition, and to create drastic change.

Joan Crawford (remember Mommy Dearest?) was a doozy. Her already harsh 3rd house Moon/Saturn in Aquarius formed a lovely quintile to Neptune in the 8th house. She clearly visualized an illusory world where the expression of, and demands regarding her emotional needs were paramount to her power and success. Further, she had Pluto in the 8th house quintiling the Sun - heightening her obsession with control. I'll stop here, the rest of the quintiles only make it worse!

In the chart of Billie Holiday, there is a very strong quintile configuration linking the Sun, Pluto/Saturn, the Ascendant and the Midheaven in Scorpio. This illustrates beautifully her powerfully sexual presence, as well as her attraction to dangerous underworld characters and situations.

To end on a hopeful and spiritual note, our dear Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. used his quintiles for the most noble of causes. His ambitious Sun in Capricorn forms a focal point in a Sun/Neptune/Mars quintile, driving him in the direction of Spiritual Warrior and Government Reformer. Eleventh house Mercury in Aquarius is quintile Aries Rising - adding the gift of inspired and socially conscious speech as an integral part of his image. Jupiter quintile Pluto made his beliefs grandiose and life-transforming. This also gave him a huge does of sexual magnetism. These are just some notable quintiles among several other 5th harmonic aspects in his chart!

NOTES: In the above examples I have referred to both biquintiles and quintiles as Quintiles. I would not say that any of these great people were unaware of their power and charm, but I would imagine that they probably found it to be a burden. Although quintiles play a big role in each of their charts, these examples represent only a part of their complexity as human beings.

To find out about your quintiles, check out my Chart Offerings...,

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sunshine_lion
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posted January 12, 2009 01:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message
i think creative and action are two words that apply. that is about all I can get so far.

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AcousticGod
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posted January 12, 2009 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
One of the ones I know I have is Mercury Quintile Pluto.

Mercury Quintile or Bi-Quintile Pluto

You appreciate any work that is done with passion. You enjoy periodically becoming fully engrossed in a book, research, movie, sports, or any other activity. You have the ability to develop expertise or excellent technique through your combination of creativity and focused attention. http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/quintile_biquintile.html

Mercury quintile Pluto: Adopting a self-denying style of thought and communication, often with a self-deprecatory style of humour; having thought systems that emphasize the insignificance of the individual and the need for self-castigation and for relentless mental routines. http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrological-aspects/quintile-5th-harmonic.php

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posted January 12, 2009 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
I also have Sun Quintile Uranus.

Sun Quintile or Bi-Quintile Uranus
You can succeed in an area that requires creativity or ingenuity. You appreciate creativity, and technical expertise probably doesn't excite you as much as innovation. There is a light-hearted side to you that enjoys jokes, games, cleverness of all kinds, and freedom from dull repetition. http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/quintile_biquintile.html

Sun quintile Uranus: Developing precise, sharp, clearly-defined styles of behaviour which emphasize one's difference from other people; rejecting 'fuzziness' and ambiguity. http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrological-aspects/quintile-5th-harmonic.php

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posted January 12, 2009 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deliverance     Edit/Delete Message
I have 2 Quintiles & 4 Bi-Quintiles, (not including asteroids) is that a lot for a chart?

I often feel that march to the beat of my own funky drum. James Brown style.

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savanna20
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posted January 12, 2009 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for savanna20     Edit/Delete Message
I wonder too. I have Neptune biquintile my 8th moon.

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FistOfLegend
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posted January 12, 2009 01:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Thank you sunshine_lion for that wonderful interpretation.

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aquaspryt69
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posted January 12, 2009 01:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Seems most astrologers brush these aspects aside as secondary and, therefore, not so important so it's odd to hear of one who not only endorses them but gives them substantial "power" as well.

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Lara
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posted January 12, 2009 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
I have these bi-quintiles
all under 2 degs

moon bi-quintile neptune
venus bi-quintile neptune
saturn bi-quintile neptune
NN bi-quintile neptune
AC bi-quintile neptune

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posted January 12, 2009 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message
There are actually several astrologers now that are stressing the power of quintiles 1/5 and bi-quintiles 1/10. My 5th house venus is closely quintile uranus in the 7th. Oh my god I've had some wierd relationships. With some bizare people too. Mostly musicians. I'm almost never without some passionate affair going, while it's not hard for me to be monogomous it is hard for me to stay with the same person for more than a few years. The grass is always greener on the other side and I start to get tired of people. By the way, did I mention I'm a libra sun?
*Quickly ducks the rotten tomatoes*

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sunshine_lion
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posted January 12, 2009 03:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message
uh, thanks, but I can't take credit, the exerpt was from:

The Power of 5 in Astrology

by Danielle A. Ricard - 2001

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Got Gemini?
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posted January 12, 2009 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message
I have Mars Q Uranus 0* applying, Sun and Mercury Q Asc 0 and 1 degrees applying respectively. I also have a few BQs as well.

The Mars Uranus one fits me soooooo well! Who can interpret Moon Q Moon 0* applying in synastry?

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Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚
Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚
And yes, i'm a guy!

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aquaspryt69
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posted January 12, 2009 03:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message
quote:

There are actually several astrologers now that are stressing the power of quintiles 1/5 and bi-quintiles 1/10. By the way, did I mention I'm a libra sun?
*Quickly ducks the rotten tomatoes*


I wasn't trying to dispute the fact. I'm actually glad to see people who are suppose to be some of the most open and elightened finally coming around to the fact that all things make up the whole. Every part has something to contribute whether good or bad.
And what,pray tell, is wrong with being a Libra Sun?? My bf of 36 yrs is a Libra Sun and I would lay my life on the line for her in an instant. Libra's are lovely creatures from the inside out. She has a Leo ASC, so I just find her brilliant in comparison to all of my dark Scorpio gloom and doom.

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posted January 12, 2009 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message
I totally agree with you. I made the libra sun comment in response to the two "player" threads currently up.

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posted January 13, 2009 12:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scorpionic Web     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
quintiles 1/5 and bi-quintiles 1/10

ScrappyDog, I believe you mean Semi-Quintile for 1/10.

Bi-Quintiles are 144 degrees, or 2/5. I haven't really been able to get much understanding as to what the Bi-Quintile aspect means.

Semi-Quintiles are 36 degrees (1/10 of 360) and to summarize this aspect, as far as I can tell it represents somewhat of a flavoring to the social reception achieved for the talents an individual possesses.

I would give a maximum of 2 degrees for a Quintile, and 1 degree for a Semi-Quintile.

In my chart:

Semi-Quintiles:
Sun-Neptune
Mars-Uranus
Jupiter-Neptune
Saturn-Uranus
Uranus-Pluto

Quintiles:
Asc-Moon
Mars-Saturn
Mars-Pluto

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posted January 16, 2009 12:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
I just realized that I have Moon quintile Venus as well.

Moon Quintile or Bi-Quintile Venus

You enjoy, and seek out, relationships that bring interesting experiences into your life. Laughter, games, and learning together are likely to be more important to you than physical attraction. You are likely to take a creative approach to your home environment and your tastes are a bit unconventional or more sensitively developed than other people in your family. If you have not developed the qualities described above, then this is a side of yourself that you may have suppressed or avoided, and consequently liberating your creative, fun-loving side can fill an empty or missing aspect of your life. http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/quintile_biquintile.html

Sounds very related to me.

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posted January 16, 2009 12:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for leapinglemur14     Edit/Delete Message
what does the symbol look like in the chart?

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FistOfLegend
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posted January 16, 2009 12:52 AM           Edit/Delete Message
^ Q or BQ.

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posted January 16, 2009 12:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for leapinglemur14     Edit/Delete Message
makes me think of a quarterback lol....let me go check and see what i got.

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posted January 16, 2009 12:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for leapinglemur14     Edit/Delete Message
moon Q venus
mercury bQ mars
sun bQ AC
jupiter bQ neptune..

shed some light Fist.

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FistOfLegend
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posted January 16, 2009 01:05 AM           Edit/Delete Message
With that Sun bQ Ascendant, you probably have a distinct way of getting attention.
Read up on those aspects as if they were trines.

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posted January 16, 2009 01:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
Moon Quintile Venus can be found in my post above.

Mercury Quintile or Bi-Quintile Mars
You will never lose your child-like love of learning, but you may find traditional teaching methods very boring and even mentally deadening. You love to learn how things work and you are very bright, but a teacher that focuses on memorization or trivial details will actually inhibit, rather than promote, your progress in learning. You are a creative thinker and if your educational training is too restrictive, then your full potential will become most evident in your adult years. You should pursue a career that utilizes your gift for creative thinking and analysis. http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/quintile_biquintile.html

Sun quintile Ascendant / Descendant: The person needs to display himself - his true nature - to the world through his style, and so this will decrease his ability to develop styles and mannerisms whose purpose is to deceive or to hide the self. http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrological-aspects/quintile-5th-harmonic.php

Jupiter quintile Neptune: Having a style which combines expansiveness with sympathy and caringness; able to express universal significance in an expansive way. http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrological-aspects/quintile-5th-harmonic.php

Jupiter Quintile or Bi-Quintile Neptune
You appreciate and enjoy very imaginative art, clothing, and music. You probably have some very interesting decorations or art in your possession. http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/quintile_biquintile.html

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posted January 16, 2009 01:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for leapinglemur14     Edit/Delete Message
heh. no wonder i like wearing weird bright colors and doing things to shock people. things like that always made me think i had to have some aquarius influence of the "unconventional". and it explains my love for art and my attraction to artistic types. i always felt that my pisces asc wasn't enough of an explanation.
I will definitely pay more attention to this aspect from now on.

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posted January 16, 2009 01:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for leapinglemur14     Edit/Delete Message
im also a bad liar..(but good actress i hope)

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