posted January 12, 2009 04:22 PM           

I realize that the effects of house overlays in synastry have already been discussed a number of times in this forum (and in others). Although most people seem to feel that it's the house person that feels the effects more than the planet person, I just would like to hear of the experience of all those of you who have experienced the opposite ....the planet person feeling most of the effect.

I've really started wondering about house overlays again after I realized that I have been in a number of situations where several of men's planets (4-6) fell into my 5th house and I felt not the least bit attracted. They on the other hand were quite enthralled with me. I've also noticed in my circle of friends a number of cases where a man put a cluster of planets in the woman'S 7th house....but while he (the planet person) felt he had found the woman of his dreams, she as the house person couldnt imagine in her wildest dreams to be attracted to him.

So, yes, I'm wondering.....have any of you been in situations where the planet person put a number of his planets in s.o.'s romantic houses, but the house person felt nothing, only the planet person seemed to feel the pull of the house overlay.

posted January 12, 2009 06:47 PM         

i hv also thought abt it and i think there might be some conditions to house overlays. eg just a theory - no evidence...maybe it depends on the sign in question eg if its feminine sign (letsus say cancer) may be the house person will be receptive and feel the effect, vs leo

or maybe it depends on house to house may be in angular houses planet person feel the effect

or maybe it depends on some other factors or combination of it....

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asc/sun/moon: Capricon/leo/libra

posted January 13, 2009 12:12 AM           

I've often found myself attracted to people who put Aries planets in my 5th house (my 5th house cusp is Aries). However, there was this one guy a while back who had Venus, Mercury and the sun in Aries all in my 5th. He fell hard for me, yet I wasn't really attracted to him like that. I was a little flattered and I thought he was okay but that's it. I did find him amusing in a way (his planets in my 5th fits for that) but he could also get on my nerves because he wouldn't give up the chase.

Usually, though I love some Aries in a man.

Maybe there is some secret variable out there that determines who feels it more... the house person or the planet person... but whatever it is I haven't figured it out yet. What I do know is that the symbolism of my traditional relationship houses (5th, 7th and 8th) does seem to truly reflect my personal taste in men, and that the most common pattern I've noticed is that the house person feels it more... which makes sense because the planet person would be representing qualities that the house person desires in a mate. though, sometimes the planet person is drawn to the house person because they are hungry for attention and because they can sense that the house person will adore them. Like they instinctively know that they are the house person's 'type'. They are often right. Still, there are those occasions when for whatever reason you just don't 'click' with someone even though some of their planets fall in the 'right' houses. And then when the planet person sees them self in the role of your lover (5th), partner (7th) or seducer (8th), they become disappointed when you don't agree that this is the role they should by playing for you.

Perhaps it has to do with aspects, and how those person's planets fit into your chart overall. If their planets make aspects to your chart that feel unpleasant to you it may turn you off to them in as a romantic partner, but if their planets rub you in the right way from the house in question it could have the opposite effect. The 'right' aspects may not always be soft ones either... it could relate more Specifically to what your tastes are. like having Venus Square Pluto versus having Venus trine Uranus, and what this means for your taste in synastry. And does the person in question have planets aspecting your 5th, 7th, or 8th house rulers, Venus and Mars, and Sun or Moon. It could also have to do with what planets you like to recieve in synastry...(these have to do with the signs and planets in your relationship houses, and the condition of your Mars and Venus). Like enjoying feeling someone's mercury as opposed to likeing a jupiter influence from them.

Another thing to consider is if this person fits your requirements for a whole relationship. For example, your relationship requirements are shown by more then just one house... they are shown by a unique combination of your 5th, 7th, 8th symbolism, plus Venus and Mars, the Vertex Axis, and something I call extended houses. The people who really press your 'love buttons' in life will be those whose chart matches all these requirements in some way through different parts of their natal. If that person's natal only emphasizes a particular house for you, there may be something about them that is 'interesting' to you, but you'd never see them as a complete match for a relationship. They only have one or two peaces of the puzzle.

Yeah, so I've seen attraction go both ways... with the planet person or the house person, but the house person is more commonly the one attracted from my experience. I suspect that the house person is naturally the one more attracted, and that the planet person often enjoys this because of the flattering attention that the house person has to offer. However, there may be some factor which tips the scale on this that remains a mystery... hopefully some genius astrologer out there will figure out what that is someday.

Till then, I think it's best to find someone with whom you have mutual house overlay patterns. Your chart shows they're your type, while, in turn, their chart shows you're their type. Sure, it's hard to find, but how often do you really fall truly, madly, deeply for someone who also falls truly, madly, deeply for you? Even if we do find out what factor it is that determines weather it's the house or the planet person that falls, I think the 'mutually each other's type' way is the best way to go... then you don't have to worry about it either way. Your covered.

posted January 13, 2009 05:13 AM           

Cappadora,

very helpful reply, thanks very much! I think your explanations make a lot of sense and in one particular case do give light to why I may not have been at all attracted to s.o. who put 5 planets in my 5th and 7th house. My 5th house is mostly in scorpio and my 7th in capricorn. One particular guy put several scorpio planets in my 5th and his capricorn moon in my 7th. While capricorn I think fits in quite well with my overall type, I dont really think scorpionic energy fits with the rest of my 'type profile'. My mars is jupitaran and I prefer more of an airy energy because that's what is lacking in my chart. Plus I have uranus in my 5th, so s.o. INTENSLY focusing on me will send me running for the hills. So yes I think you are on to s.th.

posted January 13, 2009 12:45 PM         

also my personal experince is that house ppl feel the effect

one more thing, if you have heavy cancer unfluence in your chart, eg sun and venus in cancer than you will feel probably more the effect of fourth house, on other hand if you have hevay pluto or scorpio person eg personal planets in scorpio, or crowded eigth house ..or venus conjuct pluto ....you might be more affected or moved by ppl who activate your 8th house

posted January 13, 2009 02:02 PM           

Or if someone's Mercury is in your 5th..I think the Mercury person tends to talk to you about 5th house issues/with 5th house qualities..while you will look to that person to talk to when you want to discuss your 5th house matters.

Make sense? That is how it's been in all of my experiences, more or less.

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Capricorn sun / Scorpio rising / Sagittarius moon

posted January 13, 2009 10:54 PM           

Ok..hers my curent experience.

Someone has Sun, moon, mercury and venus (all Aries)all conjuncting my asendant(Aries). I think he is supposed to feel like I amm everything he is looking for...if you go by house overlay traditional teaching. But it seems to me that he is verything I am looking for and he is attracted strictly to my physicality. This is how it FEELS to me. I have no indication that I am everything he is looking for. I think he just felt a strong instant physical attraction to me. He does like me. But I tend to hold him in a higher regard...his whole person..jus knowing him. I dont think Im even considered a good freind to him. But here is the his venus actually falls in my 12th house..so I am cursed with feeling insecure about where i stand with him...as our relationship in general seems private.

Also....My pluto falls in his 7th house..and i do feel the need..the effects of wanting to trnasform this aspect of his life...I cant even say how he feels about it. He definately isnt inclined to marry me.

The other is that my Sun falls in his 5th house. Now...I feel excitement and looking forward to all the things a new places hell take me too..hanging out together hqving a good time. However..since the beginning of our relationship...he hasnt really been inclined to do it...talked about it...didnt do it.

Sexually his mars is in my 5th...he seems to put more emphasis on this aspect than I do. In fact..to the exclusion of any other house placements.

posted January 14, 2009 12:08 AM           

His Sagittarian Mars is in my twelveth house and I felt some sort of hidden/latent passion. My Mercury in Leo was in his twelveth house and I was always curious about his secrets or hidden self.

Oh and his Chiron in Cancer is in my seventh house and my Chiron in Leo is in his twelveth house. I guess I always sorta hid my wounded self from him because I didn't want to bring him down. Im not sure how his Chiron in my seventh house effected me, except he wanted to be loved and accepted by his family and me. Even if I always told him I did, he always somewhat believe me.

posted January 15, 2009 02:45 PM           

Although I also believe that it is the house person who (most often) feels it more, I was thinking that maybe the more receptive planets like Moon or Venus can feel the house placements mutually. So if s.o.'s moon or venus falls in your 7th house, they, as the house person might actually feel this house position quite keenly....and see you as potential partner material.

posted January 15, 2009 04:00 PM         

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Someone has Sun, moon, mercury and venus (all Aries)all conjuncting my asendant(Aries). I think he is supposed to feel like I amm everything he is looking for...if you go by house overlay traditional teaching. But it seems to me that he is verything I am looking for and he is attracted strictly to my physicality. This is how it FEELS to me. I have no indication that I am everything he is looking for. I think he just felt a strong instant physical attraction to me. He does like me. But I tend to hold him in a higher regard...his whole person..jus knowing him. I dont think Im even considered a good freind to him. But here is the his venus actually falls in my 12th house..so I am cursed with feeling insecure about where i stand with him...as our relationship in general seems private.

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I have experienced the same thing. His Sun, Mercury and Venus conjuncted my Asc, and his Moon trined it. I think he was just attracted to me physically, but I don*t think it went very deep, but for me the interest went a lot deeper, but not initially. My Sun was in his 8th house, but I don't know who was most affected..

posted January 21, 2009 02:45 AM           

venus in h7 (i've been both here and the experiences remain the following in all instances): venus will go out of their way to meet house person's wishes/desires needs... now don't go thinking all dramatic here, it just means that the venus person will act unselfishly (or try very hard) with regard to the house person to try to -accommodate- them in any way they can, [haha they may even grit their teeth while they do it but they still have it in their minds that "this is someone i want to help out"]. i'd say go more out of their way for the house person than they would for someone else whose 7th their venus does not occupy. for instance do errands for house person, make house person feel more welcome in whatever situation, make sense? also the house person will tend to view venus as very good looking, and this can at times turn into a lil mutual admiration society, sometimes it also works that it's the venus person more so who can get hung up on how the house person looks. i guess for me overall its been a sweet placement.

moon in h7 (have been both here as well): this one for me has seemed to be a lil more crazy... the moon person here seems to expect the house person to be in line with what the moon person needs/is aiming for with regard to their emotional fulfillment and can, when the house person is acting out their asc, feel quite left behind in the dust so to speak. as if the moon person is thinking "here i thought we could be partnered up and things would go along smoothly in our created couple universe and then all of a sudden you go and have to xyz" and it throws moon sideways thinking "gosh i thought i had us figured out, i thought you needed the same things." like i said, my experience, but this one for me can be exasperating, esp when im the moon cos i tend to feel it more then. the asc person has seemed to be oblivious to this.

venus h5 (ive only ever been the venus person): not much to say except i always thought they were incredibly attractive and very exciting.

moon h5 (ive only ever bee moon person): can't isolate its effects, sorry