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MyVirgoMask
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posted January 15, 2009 08:25 AM
 
Geocosmic just mentioned them in another post and I have been hitting my head against the wall trying to figure them out.
I've read stuff, but I still can't really figure it out, what it means.
I know it's two planets in opposition that square another planet.
BUT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN ?
Is the planet that's being squared by the two planets the culprit in this scenario?
I was reading on Bob Marks site that it's like a '3-legged chair'....ok, great. And..??If anyone else knows, or has a T-Square and understands how it operates in their lives, and how it plays out in synastry, please share the info. I've got a T-Square with Mars-Venus squaring Jupiter. Mars in Taurus(1st house), Venus in Scorpio(6th house), and Jupiter in Aquarius (10th house). SO I guess that makes it a fixed T-Square...again, what does that mean????
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MyVirgoMask
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posted January 15, 2009 11:41 AM
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praecipua
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posted January 15, 2009 11:54 AM
what does culprit means?edit: ok, i checked it out.
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posted January 15, 2009 12:01 PM
the culprit idea make sense. im not much realistic in my love life and financial matters. my t-square involve saturn opposing venus squaring neptune.IP: Logged |
hippichick
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posted January 15, 2009 12:01 PM
I had replied earlier, but it did not go through and I had not the energy to post again, but...I have 3 of them, involving my close stellium of Mars, Mercury and Jupiter in Aqua, closely opposed to Uranus in Leo, squaring my Taurus moon, (which opposes my Scorpio asc.) A BIG fixed mess!  All I can say is challenges, challenges and more challenges! They say that with the t squares the challenges are overcomeable and the energy of the t square provides the native with the drive to over come. Personally I can say this is true as my life has been one big challenge after another (most wonder why I have not called it quits by now.) It is a dog trying to run with only 3 legs, he will find a way, or a car with only 3 wheels, that is fixable. By way of comparison, the grand cross, supposedly presents the native with challenges and obstacles, but often the native is not able to overcome, hence the feeling of always having a mess to deal with in life. I have found that when one of my planets is transited by Jupiter and higher, that is when the challenges manifest It has also been said to look to the "missing leg" so to speak,for the way to deal with the challenge. For me my asc and in retrospect when I really need to solve an issue in my life, if I turn my Fishy mermaid tail into my Scorpion tail and lash out, get assertive (as my Pisces soul is not) and sting occasionally, that is when my challenge is overcome. But you know, I would not trade my 3 t squares for any less challenging aspect. The challenges they have manifested for me have made me what I am today, and I am happy with me. IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted January 15, 2009 12:02 PM
mvm, i have a mutable t-square involving moon opp merc/saturn both squ chiron - i think the mutable and cardinal squares tend to be easier to handle because they are, well, more flexible...as far as the squaring planet being a culprit i think it is more of a fulcrum...since oppositions appear to be coming at you and create a bit of a seesaw the squaring planet creates the tension that pushes you to resolve your opposition if you see what i mean. and chiron kind of does that anyway so i have been at this one my whole life(yeuch!)...hard work but healing work...i think it has helped prevent me from settling on one or the other side of the opposition, helping me integrate the two...don't know if that is any help or not... IP: Logged |
blue moon
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posted January 15, 2009 12:10 PM
The planet in the middle forces the balance of the opposition into action.
There is a balance going on between your need to express your self-identity (Mars in 1st) and what you need from relationships (Venus in 7th). Mars and Venus are a passionate combination, and strong in these signs. Jupiter, in the house of the career and public standing, is forcing this balance into action. He is the planet of expansion, ideals, but also of excess. In striving to balance your needs, which are strong, you might be inclined to take on more than you can handle. Something like that. It can take a long time to work out T-Squares, and what they mean to you personally. I have two. It has taken me a long time. One is a 1st/7th/MC. I conclude that is the part of me that is terribly idealistic, but needs to contribute to a family earning a living. Sometimes you have to compromise in your choices. The other is ASC/7th/3rd. That has Venus and Mars in it, but also Mercury. So the excess and passion of Venus and Mars has a lot to do with expression. Finding a positive outlet for that has been very important in my life. The planet at the apex forces the tension into action. It can be channelled postively with effort. Astrology has helped me a lot to understand this part of my persona. IP: Logged |
blue moon
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posted January 15, 2009 12:16 PM
Prae ~ I know a couple of people with Neptune T-Squares. I like the sound of your combination. Because of the creative potential in having Saturn, Neptune and Venus together in tense aspect. Artistic channelling of this energy might work for you, I have found that helpful with my Venus involved T-Square. quote:
as far as the squaring planet being a culprit i think it is more of a fulcrum...since oppositions appear to be coming at you and create a bit of a seesaw the squaring planet creates the tension that pushes you to resolve your opposition
An excellent way of putting it, and I do feel that I agree. T-Squares can really get things done, but they need to be challenged. IP: Logged |
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posted January 15, 2009 12:34 PM
but im crap at painting and scare myself when i sing.but sometmes i wish i was a musician, yep IP: Logged |
blue moon
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posted January 15, 2009 12:43 PM
What about writing? Sometimes I'm not sure what you are on about. It reads a almost as though you are thinking aloud and working something out, other times it strikes me you have a way of expressing feelings that stands out from the average. A deep thinker. Song-writing? Yes, I could see that. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted January 15, 2009 12:47 PM
Thanks, guys!
Blue moon, interesting....thank you also. Makes a lot of sense. My Venus is actually in the 6th but conjunct my 7th. I do feel Jupiter 'pushes' somehow, and it is right at my MC, conjunct it actually. I guess I'm going to really look into this more carefully.
I do have more than one T-square (like another 4 actually LOL) but they're with asteroids and Lilith - not even messing with that until I get this one.I was reading somewhere too that Venus-Mars stuff, especially opposition, does well by working with its hands...gardening, sculpting, etc... Like the Venus is all about the aesthetic and beauty, and Mars is about actively taking those energies and creating with them to release tension. Square Jupiter - hmm. Don't know yet. EDIT: I've just noticed that Saturn trines and sextiles both my Venus and Mars. I wonder if that alleviates things somewhat.... IP: Logged |
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posted January 15, 2009 12:59 PM
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leapinglemur14
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posted January 15, 2009 02:03 PM
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blue moon
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posted January 15, 2009 02:08 PM
Venus is art and beauty, Saturn is form and structure. Working together there is great potential. Mars and Saturn together has stamina and persistence. Neptune and Saturn together are not a lot of fun, I have the opposition. But one provides dream and ideas, the other gives them form and structure. Not an easy balance but it does something with an aspect that can I have seen written about as the 'suicide aspect'. Those kind of doom interpretations really get to me. IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted January 15, 2009 02:56 PM
MVM, alan oken calls that opposition with a trine/sextile planet and "easy out" ie, through working your saturn you resolve the opposition fairly fluidly...so you have a double helping hand, one from jup squaring and the other from saturn. sounds magnifique to me!!IP: Logged |
Iqhunk
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posted January 16, 2009 03:38 AM
Why not think of a T-Square as a bow and arrow? This thought will illuminate your mind about that aspect in an instant.
The Arrow Planet awaits to be shot at your target [opposite point of the planet that has two squares each]. The longer you deny this, the stronger is the Bow [opposing planets of the T-Square].
Think about it...------------------
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leapinglemur14
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posted January 17, 2009 12:43 AM
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posted January 18, 2009 02:59 PM
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Peri
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posted January 18, 2009 03:31 PM
leaping, this configuration is called Bisextile http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/aspectpatterns.html
http://www.lunarliving.org/astrology/grandcross_t-square.shtml
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MyVirgoMask
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posted January 18, 2009 03:40 PM
I kinda like having Jupiter as the square 
I think it says something about how a lot of my Mars/Venus opposition stuff can be channeled into career, and transcend relationships, and maybe be of use to my career (since Jupiter in the 10th and conjuncts the Midheaven). Plus, I daresay it keeps me optimistic, whether or not I always like it
I think with it being in Aquarius, it makes me take my very personal feelings from the Mars and Venus and put them out in a more humanitarian way...it could be that detachment is a challenge, but also a major lesson as well.
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leapinglemur14
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posted January 18, 2009 04:09 PM
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posted January 18, 2009 06:58 PM
for some reason there is not much info on bisextiles, it's a very supportive configuration, bisextile brings luck and help in areas described by the planets involved, it helps you to bring out the best in you and gives you a chance to achieve great results where grand trine only shows where you could excel, where you have abilities and talents but it does not bring a lucky chance for them to shine, you need to work hard to succede so if the native is lazy or not motivated enough chances are their abilities will remain dormantIP: Logged |
leapinglemur14
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posted January 18, 2009 07:09 PM
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posted January 18, 2009 07:58 PM
MyVirgoMask, You are right about the T-square, but how you deal with it is: look at the culprit planet then look to the planet in opposition or the house, ruler ect.. This is where you can resolve the conflict. So in effect you take the bad and push it into the house, planet in opposition of the planet that is taking all the heat ( the culprit) IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted January 18, 2009 08:05 PM
Ah ok...thanks Vesta. Hmm. So let me see if I get this straight. If the opposition is happening in 1st and 7th, and squaring to the 10th, does that mean pushing it from the top (10th) back to the bottom (1st/7th) ?Why do I feel so slow all of a sudden? LOL IP: Logged |
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