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Topic: does my chart have two 2 squares?
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Libralove09
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posted January 16, 2009 06:03 AM
some one on here said i have two t squares, i know i have a grand square, but now that im looking at my chart closer, i am unsure if it is so?  my grand square is between :uranus, moon, venus and jupiter. when you have a t square in your chart, does it have to be a whole other 3 planets? or can you use 2 of the same planets again but witha different 3rd planet? i think looking at my chart, im looking at: jupiter square moon, moon square saturn, saturn oppose jupiter - t square 1. t square 2 - jupiter square moon, moon square neptune, neptune oppose jupiter. the same again, accept replace the moon with venus, does that make 4 t squares or not? IP: Logged |
Iqhunk
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posted January 16, 2009 07:00 AM
It is not productive to consider an 83 degree angle as a square. Therefore you do not have a Mystic Square. Venus weakly squares Saturn and it absolutely does not square Uranus.You do have 3 relevant T Squares.
1. Jupiter-Venus-Uranus [most powerful]
2. Jupiter-Moon-Neptune
3. Jupiter-Moon-Saturn [very strong] The 4th is a weak T-Square
4. Jupiter-Venus-Saturn The T-Squares interpreted as a Bow and Arrow Pattern indicate a Jupiter-Uranus "bow" as strongest. The opposition to create expansion from sudden changes that need emotional release [Moon, arrow] from Independence [Aries] to Balance [Libra].
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Libralove09
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posted January 16, 2009 07:03 AM
mystic square another name for grand square?are you sure it 'weakly' squares uranus? venus is at 2nd degree libra, uranus 1 degree capricorn? on the chart of my chart, it says they square eachother? :S IP: Logged |
Iqhunk
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posted January 16, 2009 01:20 PM
Your Moon does not square your Uranus.IP: Logged |
emma_duncan
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posted January 16, 2009 01:34 PM
i wld go for two 2 squares too...dont look like a grand sqIP: Logged |
Libralove09
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posted January 16, 2009 01:40 PM
why does the chart claim that it does? :SIP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted January 16, 2009 01:43 PM
The degrees are pretty wide maybe? Is that why?Hey, are you actually complaining that you don't have a Grand Square???  IP: Logged |
Libralove09
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posted January 16, 2009 01:45 PM
well, i think two t squares is even worse.i think i can see how i don't have a grand square after all, the uranus, jupiter and venus are all withing 4 degrees, the moon however us 8th degree of aries, is that why? too wide? i understand not having a grand square, but i don't understand why my moon doesn't square my uranus when the chart says it does. if its not a square, then what is it? is astro that unreliable? IP: Logged |
Iqhunk
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posted January 16, 2009 02:06 PM
It is not unreliable, it is just over-optimistic. Think of all the poor blokes who have no aspects, they need atleast an 83 degree square  ------------------
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emma_duncan
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posted January 16, 2009 02:10 PM
actually on a second thought
i think u can be granted to have a grand square cz neptune, uranus, saturn all are in capriconso here "you have been awareded a grand sq" IP: Logged |
Libralove09
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posted January 16, 2009 02:15 PM
i tell you one thing, the description of the grand sq fitted me bloody well.definitley feel like i try hard, but get nothing done in the end. it looks like a square with a cross in the middle to me, do the degrees being out by about 5 degrees really make that much difference to the direction of pull? im still beign squared apart arn't i? two t squares is worse than a grand square  lol whats the interpretations of t squares? maybe i can see if i relate better. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted January 16, 2009 02:18 PM
I posted a thread on T-squares. Look for it if you can, it's at the bottom and has a self explanatory name. They are not bad, they are tremendous in energy. I have about 4 LOL, but that's also with asteroids. IP: Logged |
Libralove09
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posted January 16, 2009 02:30 PM
checked out your thread virgo, and i after reading it, i feel the same way as you do.it seems very vague. sounds like aspects wise, sh1t hits the fan, no explaination or anything, it just happened. lol IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted January 16, 2009 02:32 PM
Never mind the gloom and doom, you'll figure it out. Give it time. For goodness' sake, you're just starting your life. There's never an easy answer LOL
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blue moon
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posted January 16, 2009 02:46 PM
If it seems to fit you, and it helps you on the spiritual journey that is astrology, then I say count it. What we are dealing with here is symbolism. There are some rules, and they need to be applied consistently, but there is allowance for variation in what exactly astrologers consider these rules to be. Many astrologers would agree on not counting a Square of 7 degree orb, but some would count it, and I've seen up to 10 degrees counted for a Sun or Moon aspect. IP: Logged |
triplecancer
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posted January 16, 2009 07:06 PM
the reason most astrologers would say moon is not square uranus is that the orb is too wide. With generational planets the orbs have to be very tight, because they move so slowly. Otherwise many people would have the same aspects. I guess astro.com has the same orb for all planets and doesn't differentiate with generational ones. Even in synastry it works this way. I have venus in gemini so everyone in my generation has pluto making a trine because pluto is the slowest planet. Obviously this couldn't be true, to consider it a trine, their pluto would have to trine it by a very tight orb. IP: Logged |
leapinglemur14
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posted January 17, 2009 01:41 AM
so a tight orb would be what? 5 or less?IP: Logged |
Libralove09
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posted January 17, 2009 01:51 AM
its possible my moon was at the 7th degree of aries rather than the 8th, because my birth time isn't dead on reliable, my mum says i was born definitley from 4am to 4-30am.not much changes if i change my birth time around this, accept the possibility of: my 11th house being in taurus instead of gemini, my 5th in scorpio instead of sagittarius, and my sun being in the 1st or second house. i can't tell, i read the descriptions of both differences in my charts, and i really can't tell which i am. i have a feeling though, that i mightve been born at an earlyer time (withing 30 min range) but enough to change 2 of my house positions, the position of my sun in 1st or second, and my moon being in the 7th degree i think. that would make it 1 degree out of being in a wide square orb i think of the grand square, so who knows. IP: Logged |
blue moon
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posted January 17, 2009 03:20 AM
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the reason most astrologers would say moon is not square uranus is that the orb is too wide. With generational planets the orbs have to be very tight, because they move so slowly
The Moon doesn't move slowly. It moves 12 degrees within one day. So within the framework of a month of time, few people will get to have this aspect. That's some astrologers would allow a wider orb for this aspect than even the 7 degrees under dispute. IP: Logged |
triplecancer
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posted January 17, 2009 10:02 AM
blue moon, that could be true. But anyways, I think in general, with the rest of the planets, orbs with generational planets are 3 degrees at the most. IP: Logged |
blue moon
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posted January 17, 2009 04:28 PM
Between two generational planets would make more sense. Whatever degree and sign the outer planet is going to be in, the Moon will make 2 Squares a month at any time. But if you like tight degrees on everything it would be consistent. Anyway we argue it, 7 degrees won't be as strongly felt as 2 degrees. IP: Logged |
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