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Diandra23
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posted January 19, 2009 10:29 AM           Edit/Delete Message

Of the two,what is the one that´s most important?Or that indicates the more aproximately the relationship itself?

Some say it might be the Davidson,others that is the Composite.

Maybe it depends on the couple?Or we have to progress it to see if shows the Relationship along the time?

Im not yet very aknowledgeable of these type of charts,what do you see there?I just can say that the two are very diferent from each other.!

me and my lover met on the internet and then after 3 months we met in person and started to date right there ( sudden love)

We are in long-distance so we are together at weekends ( it has been 2,5 years now).

IT was a Soul Meeting,as we felt very familiar with each other right away.

i suppose that the neptune squares to indicate that same "distance" and that uranus and nept in the 4h also show the "instability"of home together.

The sudden love by the sun/venus in the 1st along with the Eros asteroid,adding the attractionComposite

in Davidsonthat uranus instability is softened by Jup conjunction that trines mars and Moon.

In both charts Juno appears in 7H(meaning possibly one of our goals as a couple of becoming marriage partners.

KIRON is very interlinked in both,appearing cj the MC.In Composite trines all the personals,indicating a relationship´s potencial of healing.

In Davidson it appears cj Karma,adding the feeling of a fated union in order to resolve past Wounds.

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posted January 19, 2009 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
GREAT thread Diandra!

I just had my composite ripped apart by IQ (not his fault) but seems a shame to tell a guy "sorry, our composite is crap so i'm not gonna date you" lol

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posted January 19, 2009 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dazzled     Edit/Delete Message
The most recent post of this blog happens to examine the Davison chart of a famous couple. The astrologer favours the Davison over the Composite and explains why.

It's an insightful read from an insightful blog.

http://chirotic.wordpress.com/

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posted January 19, 2009 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
I think it's totally personal. I went ahead and did both for my ex-husband and I - at least it's a relationship which has run its course, so I feel more confident looking at it.
I look at the Davidson and we have these grand trines and everything looks so beautiful. Amor conjunct Chiron right at 0 degrees, Venus conjunct Sun (ok, I have that in both versions), Juno trine Chiron, Chiron conjuncts vertex (these are all exact 0 aspects) and it looks really nice. The only thing which looks vaguely bad is Neptune square Mars, and that's a pretty close aspect too. Also have Chiron oppose Uranus ...ok generational, but very tight.

Then I look at the regular Composite, and see the two red flags which really became the problem and led to separation : Mars square Sun, and Mars square Mercury - right smack at 0 degrees. This pretty much summed up the relationship's demise LOL. In this one Chiron opposes Uranus widely. We still have a grand trine - and big love stuff - Pluto trine Venus, Sun oppose Moon (common in marriages) but that Mars just kills

Diandra, I feel the regular composite really resonates with me more personally, however I also think that you can really look at the two and combine them in a way. It's possible. And maybe taking the aspects which are very tight, no bigger than 3 degrees, and looking at those. Because when I look at both charts for my own marriage, it's those very tight aspects that resonate the most with me, from both charts.

Maybe make a list of them, and work with them, and just keep them in mind? I can't see the aspects in the charts for you, Diandra, it's too small, so I can't see the degrees. Maybe if you can list the tightest ones?
I think we can make both styles of composite work for us if we really wanted

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posted January 19, 2009 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls     Edit/Delete Message
Lara why do you think your composite is crap?

It's just things you should work on!

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Diandra23
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posted January 19, 2009 04:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message
than k you for your views!

Lara
im sure IQ just told you what his gut told him.He is a great teatcher and i always receive his words with care and confidence

But if you do not resonate with his interpretation,try to look carefuly at the charts,study the more you can and then look within to what your heart tells you what the Truth is.
I bet you are gonna find your answers!

Dazzled
thank you im gonna read the article with attention.

MVM
im sorry that things didnt worked out with your ex.I believe that you could have had a very difficult and strange experience.Im seeing all that Kiron...it translates a lot of healing to make and that always comes with pain and wounds of the past.DId you felt that?

Venus cj sun is a symbol of true love.we also have that aspect in composite and yes..it is true in fact and sth quite extraordinary.
did you had violence in your relationship?sun square mars is usually interpreted that way but i dont necessarily agree.Me and bf have that in sinastry and nothing like that happened or is about to happen..
He and I are very soft,hate violence as we are libra sun and libra asc.

you had a great idea about the list

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Diandra23
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posted January 19, 2009 05:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message
I have made a list of the most tight aspects

Composite

As it was add that for luminaries the degree is bigger than i would accept the sun/venus conjunction.

Sun sextil Jup
Sun square karma 0
sun conj eros 0
sun trine MC 5
Moon opose merc 1
moon opose mars 3
moon trine uranus 3
moon setil kiron 5
moon cj isis 3
mERC cj mars 2
merc sextil uranus 3
merc trine kiron 6
Venus sextl valentine 0
venus square Amor 3
Venus trine Union 1
venus opose osiris 4
Mars square valentine 4
jup sextil eros
jup opose MC
Saturn seztil uranus 1
saturn cj Pluto 0
Saturn trine NN 3
Saturn square lilith 3
Saturn trine juno 4
Saturn trine karma 1
saturn cj Psych 3
Pluto trine NN 3
Plut square lilith 3
Pluto trine karma 1
pluto conj Psych 3
NN trine juno 2
NN trine karma 3
NN square Isis 2
NN sextil ASC 3
KIRON trine lILITH 1
Kiron square Juno
Kiron sextil ISIS
Kiron square ASC
Karma trine Psych 4
Karma square Eros 5
Psyche sextil ASC

I see is as a karmic relationship,with some wounds to be healed and a lot of love to give and receive ( but i am parcial in this) :P

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Diandra23
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posted January 20, 2009 08:59 AM           Edit/Delete Message
These are from Davidson

Sun square neptune 5
sun sextil kiron 1
sun sextil VX 1
Suns extil Karma 0
Sun trine Psych 0
sun sextil MC 1
MOON trine Jup4
Moon kikunk Saturn 1
Moont rine uranus 3
moon cj Isi 3
MERCURY square jup 3
merc cj eros 4
merc cj osiris 2
VENUS trine Neptune 3
Venus opose pluto 3
Venus square VX 2 - this one is worrying
Venus trine asc 5
MARS trine jup 3
mars sextil amor 0
JUPITER ck uranus 1
jup opose valentine 0
jup square eros 0 and osiris
jup trine isis 2
SATURN sextil netpun 4
saturn cj pluto 4
saturn trine juno 2
saturn sextil asc 3
URANUS opose valentine 0
uranus square eros and osiris
URANUS trine isis 0
NEPTUNE trine ASC0
neptune sextil juno and pluto
PLUTO trine NN
pluto square lilith 0
pluto trine juno 2
pluto sextil ASC 1
NN trine juno
NN sextil ASC
KIRON trine VX 0
kiron ck KARMA 0
KIRON cj PsYCHE 0
KIRON cj MC 1 - THESE ones i feel are important
VX trine karma 0
VX sextil psyche 0
VX trine MC 2
JUNO cj DSC
VALENTINE trine amor
valentinte square osiris and eros
valentine sextil ISIS
karma opose psyche
karma cj MC
EROS cj OSIRIS 1

IQ - if you step out here what do you think lookinga at the two?

EDITED:if i compare the composite with natals i discovered this "DW":

C.VALENTINE cj his NN
C.VALENTINE cj my Solstic.Point NN
C.Solstice Point Valentine is also cj my NN

and as our NN´s are solstice cj each other (0)then it means that are interlinked also.

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Diandra23
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posted January 21, 2009 02:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message
One thing i have been thinking about is this:

- Why not make a multi composite with both partners with the relationship Chart?

Would it SHOW the relationship itself also,but by mixing both natal´s charts,would increase the acuracy of HOW the relationship is "SHARED"?

I tried with the Davidson and this is it:

-Mars and Venus are cj:this shows high ammount of attraction between us (true).but being both at 12H what to make of this?That relationship´s way of love and erotic exchange are somehow hidden?or are very personal?

-Sun in 1st trines MC:the relationship´s ego and personality is in tune with personal goals and is visible to others?

- Moon placed in 8H cj Alma and trines personals:denotes a very deep powerful and intense emotional relationship.

- Merc.cj pluto and saturn in the3d.opose Union.Hmm comunicatiion might somehow be strained and object of some power struggles,contributing to shake up the relatonship´s unity?

- Jupiter is in the 4th cj IC:lucky and good vibes in the inner core of relationship.opose kiron:some wounds conected with 4th issues?As uranus and neptune are also there might show instable home life,and also some fantasy,playfullness and imagination in couple´s home/family.

- As Uranus trines the personals.this ease the possible instability.Neptune is in Sag trine ASC,so the fantasy might be less ilusionary,and more spiritualized

- VX in 5th:fated to have romance and probably a family?but apart of trine to kiron,squares merc/Saturn/pluto so denoting difficult conections...

- Amor is cj Eros in the 6th:feeling of love conects with makinglove.bot opose venus/mars conjunction.

- JUNO cj DSC.trines Psyh/valent/NN/plt/Saturn...so commitment is wanted along with love,responsability,deep conectivity and intensity.

- KIRON is cj MC:the centaur might heal some of the couple+s goals,but opose jup and kikuhnk pluto and uranus.Wounds related to instability,transformation..?

- KARMA IS in the 10Th( 13º SABYAN?).trines amor/eros and sextil ve/mars.square´s the ego´s sun.

- VALENTINE is cj TRUE NODE.True Love is found in our shared Path´s.
Trine juno/saturn/pl/amor/eros

This is my own interpretation...Is is worth or important to compare these to Natals?

I also reminded to look at the DRACO MultiComposite...What would show?

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Diandra23
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posted January 22, 2009 05:48 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Bump

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Diandra23
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posted January 27, 2009 01:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Bump for IQunk!

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Iqhunk
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posted January 27, 2009 04:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Am reading, it is a cool thread. Will comment later though, first gotta digest some more of Davidson charts.

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Diandra23
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posted January 27, 2009 05:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message
i looked at the Myth´s Couples,inspired by the thread Composites Q&A:

COMPOSITE

PLUTO is cj PROSERPINA 1
PLUTO is cj PSYCHE 2
EROS sextile CUPID wide (5)
ZEUS sextile JUNO 3
SIVA is square KAALI
INANNEM cj MC and CUPID cj IC
VALENTINE SEXTIL UNION and opose SIVA

Our C.SUN/Moon Mid. is 27 GEM:

-C.KARMA and C.NN are cj the Sun/Moon M.


DAVIDSON

Pluto is semisextile PROSERPINE 1

MID.SUN/MOON is the ARies Point in 0 Aries:


SINASTRY

His Pluto (like Hades) opose my PERSEPHONE 0
His PROSERPINE semisextiles my Pluto 0
HIS PROSERPINE kikunkx my PERSEPHONE 1

NOTE:

His PROSERPINE IS at 27 Virgo:
Sabyan "Mary and her little Lamb"

so pointing to SoulMates isnt it?So i link it with my Pluto which for its conection also points torwards me as the Pair of his Proserpine?

Other important aspects:

My Proserpina sextil his Venus and Proserp.
My PROSERPINA trine his ASC 0
His PROSERPINA CJ my Merc(rules my sun)

His PERSEPHONE TRINE MY ASC 0
His PERSEPHONE OPOSE MY UNION ( My PeRSephone sextil his UNION)


DRACO

Composite
C.Pluto cj C.Proserpine cj his N.ASC 0

Draco to Draco
My D.Persephone cj his D.Karma
His D.Persephone kikunks my D.Karma
mY d.Persephone kikx his VX-his D.Perseph square my VX - DW!!!

His D.Prosepina/Venus cj my D.Sun
My D.Prosepina cj his D.VX


Draco to Natal
My D.Persephone cj his N.Persephone 1
My D.Proserpina trine his N.Karma 1

My D.PERSEPHONE opose his N.Pluto 3

HIs D.Proserpina cj my N. NN 3
His D.PERSEPHONE cj my N. PLUTO 3!!!!


OK - THese ones are VERY TIGHT indeed - not over 2 degress the most of them.

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Diandra23
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posted January 27, 2009 05:03 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Sorry IQ

i let myself caught up by the moment...thank you for the complimment!

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Diandra23
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posted February 01, 2009 11:34 AM           Edit/Delete Message
DD

I answere here cause i didnt wanted to highjack yours:

Myth Couples

SINASTRIC

hIS ADONIS/Sun cj my ASC (4/0)
My ADONIS square his ASC 0
My Innanem/Isis opose his JUNO 0
hIS Innanem/MC cj my VX 0

hIS PSYche square my Eros 0
His PSYCHE opose my VX 3
My EROS cj his NN 2
my EROS opose his Lilith 0

his SIVA opose my Moon 3
My SIVA cj his Moon 0
My KARMA trine his MC and VX 0
His KAALi sextile my NN 0
His KAALI opose my SIVA wide 6
his KAALI solstice cj my Juno 4

ISIS AND OSIRIS (there were those i looked at more)
his ISIS/Osiris cj my IC (2/0)
HIS isis/osiris/karma trine my Sun 0
His IS/OS trine my Juno (2/0)
my JUNO CJ his KARMA 3
My ISIS cj his 12thcusp 0
My OSIRIS cj his KARMA 3
My ISIS opose his Juno 0
My OSIRIS sextile his NN and trine Lilith 3/0

COMPOSITE
SIva quare Kaali 6 OK TOO WIDE!
Karma/NN trine juno/adonis/psyche/saturn/Plu
Juno cj DSC 1
Innanem cj MC 1
Isis cj Moon 3
Eros cj Sun 0
Osiris opose Venus 4

DAVIDSON(im yet to see if this one is as important as Composite...

Psych cj IC 1
Kiron cj karma cj MC 1
Juno cj DSC 1
Innanem is cj Venus 3
Osiris cj Eros 2
Kaali trine Siva 8 too wide also

DRACOS

sinastry

My kaali cj his siva 3
His eros cj my psyche 5
kiron cj osiris 2
Juno trine VX and karma 3/2
Psyhce quindecile Eros 0
eros in trine 0
his IS/OS cj my SN 0
his IS/OS TRINE My VX (3/2)and karma (5/3)
Our Kaali´s squared 0
His ADONIS squared my Innanem 4
his INNANEM kiknk my ADONIS 0

EDITED:

His APRHODI cj my DSC 1
My APHRODI opose his Juno
My ADonis cj his cupid 0
Our cupids sextile 0
My CUPID cj his Juno 0
My Cupid kikunk his ASC 0

HIS d.cupid cj my ASC 0

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Lara
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posted February 01, 2009 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
WOW

all those aspects are within 2 degrees?

holy moly

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Diandra23
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posted February 01, 2009 11:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message
I FEEL very inclined torward Egypth and so i think isis and osiris are well interlinked,revealing a good conection.

when i red proserpine and pluto history,as i said before,i also felt identified - but due to the intensity and passion.

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Diandra23
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posted February 01, 2009 11:42 AM           Edit/Delete Message
I think not hihihi

some might be more!im taking a closer look and i will put the ones over it,with the respective number

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Diandra23
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posted February 01, 2009 12:01 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Done

some kikunks indeed appear:
His D.VX kikx my innanem
His D.juno kikx my eROS and Osiris
D.innanem kikx Adonis

Tropical
his vx kikunlx my osiris
his Psych kikx my osirs
his siva kikx my inanem and isis
his adonis kikx my osiris

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Let me just point out those I think are top-significant (that doesn`t mean the others are invalid, though)


My ADONIS square his ASC 0
hIS Innanem/MC cj my VX 0

hIS PSYche square my Eros 0
My EROS cj his NN 2

My SIVA cj his Moon 0
His KAALi sextile my NN 0

his ISIS/Osiris cj my IC (2/0)
HIS isis/osiris/karma trine my Sun 0


COMPOSITE
Karma/NN trine juno/adonis/psyche/saturn/Plu
what orbs?

Juno cj DSC 1

Eros cj Sun 0

DAVIDSON(im yet to see if this one is as important as Composite...
- it is.

Psych cj IC 1
Kiron cj karma cj MC 1
Juno cj DSC 1


So, the other couple between Pluto / Persephone that is in strong focus seems to be Eros and Psyche.

I think that those connections to Sun, Moon, ASC, NN and Karma may be very important, too and carry a special theme.

Example:
Your Sun trine his Isis
You become or are or embody in your personality (your) Sun his ideal Isis, his divine consort.

But you already know that this link between Sun and Isis, Osiris and Karma is EXTRA Strong.

Eros-Psyche is a strong theme, also because Eros conjuncts Sun in compsoite, so Eros is a theme at the core, refelcting the kind of connection between you (composite Sun).

It probably makes sense to think a bit more deeply about the myth of Eros and Psyche.
I think it`s interesting that, when ERos and Psyche had come together, she was not allowed to see him. She loved him blindly, so to speak. And she was content, until her sisters suggested -out of jealous to her happiness- that she needed to know how he looked, he could have been ugly.
And Psyche let the doubts seep into her soul, and one night tried to see him. She was dazzled by his beauty, but he awoke and saw that she had tried to see him and instantly left her behind, cause she didn`t have faith in him and the strength of their love.
Well, Psyche then had to do many many tasks to get him back. In the end she even ahd to go down into the udnerworld to Persephone, but she failed in her task there, and fell into a sleep, like she was dead.
But luckily at that time Eros had come to his senses, told his mother Venus (who had set it all up) to not interfere into his life, went straight into the underworld and saved Psyche, and then married her publicly, in front of everyone`s eyes.

So, I think the Psyche-side of the story demands a lot of TRUST, while t he Eros side of the story relates to the GROWING UP and taking responsibility for his love, even if that means to break with the family (no real break, just declaring clearly where he belongs).

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posted February 01, 2009 12:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message
As i was reading the thread i also reminded myself to look the multi-composite of each of us natal´s plus the day we met,right?
Suposely this can show how we are together as a whole and not just as two individuals creating a 3rd entity right?

im rambling but you are all free to state opinions.

What if looking at Draco,using this system,would show the "purpose" from a past perspective?uSING of course,the day we met and our natals.

after playgin with it,this was it:

-Pluto in the 1st cj Jup cj Cupid
-Moon in 5H trine kaali and asc.Opose merc and uranus
- Kiron in 6H:trines sun and isis
- Valentine is at 4 Pisces,cj KARMA at 3 PISCES:They both cj DSC at 6 PISCES
- Nn in aries point 0 Aries
- Venus is cj MC in 10th
- sun is cj isis in 10th trine kiron
- URanus is cj merc both opose moon
- Mars and psych and saturn all in 11H

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Diandra23
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posted February 01, 2009 12:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message
DD

i never thought that our eros -psych were that strong.it´s the 1st time i looked at it.
You are very clever arent you? i didnt knew this side of the story also,but after reading it,i do completely identify their Story with ours.

this case J.must be Eros while i am Psyche hihih

you know sth?before i met John,i thought i was in love with his personality but somehow i was afraid that he wouldnt correspond to my "ideal"of psysich beauty..i always felt atracted to handsome man i i thought how would i react if i saw that he were not as handsome??:P
but lucky me,he embodies all that i dreamed : even when he wakes up i find him very cute.

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posted February 01, 2009 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
it's funny how there are different themes for different couples. You have eros/psyche are prominent and l have osiris/isis with mine!

Both so strong and so different. Interesting...

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Diandra23
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posted February 01, 2009 12:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Yes im also convinced that each couple will have different myth-themes appearing strongly in charts.

Cause maybe it interlinks with the couple´s individual Story,the lessons,the challenges,the typf of growth required to be together etc.

In ours we have 3 major ones:Isis and Osiris,Eros and Psyche and Pluto and Persephone.

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posted February 01, 2009 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
which pluto/peresphone ones do you have Diandra? Did you count draco/draco and draco/natal too?

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