posted January 21, 2009 09:31 AM           

Yes...im still studying our sinastry :P

i dont quite understand also the "hOW" WE make the circle of linked aspects..it seems very confusing.

But i gave it a try:

KARMIC POINTS

His Kiron trine my merc
my merc sextile hsi asc
his asc sextile my kiron
My Kiron trine his sun
his sun cj my asc
my asc sextile his uranus
his uranus opose my kiron

my karma opose his Moon
his moon trine my NN
my NN trine his saturn/Plutp
his saturn/pluto trine my PF
My PF trine his Moon
his moon square my moon
my moon trine his Link

LOVE ASTEROIDS

My Union cj his ASC
HIS ASC square my pluto
my pluto trine his Union

his aprodite cj my dsc
My DSC TRine his karma
my karma sextile his valentine
his valentine square my amor
my Amor trine his NN
His NN sextile my Juno
My Juno cj his karma

SOUL MATE ASTEROIDS

mY cUPID Cj his Juno
his Juno opose my Isis
my ISis trine his Pluto
his Pluto opose my Persefone
mY Persefone trine his juno

his isis/osiris cj my IC
my IC trine his karma
his karma cj my Osiris
my osiris trine his isis (5)

My SIVA cj his Moon
his Moon trine my NN
my NN trine his Kaali
his Kaali opose my Siva (6)

His Eros cj my Jup
My Jup cj his Mars
His Mars sextile my Asc
my Asc square his Isis
his Isis opose my Eros
My Eros square his Psyche
His Psyche trine my Siva (4)
(my Eros cj his nn)

posted January 21, 2009 10:04 AM           

I think we should keep to the suggested astgeroids / planets in IQ`s list, cause if we include all of them (like Mercury for example), then of course we will find many many cycles in every synastry.

Also, I think it may be important to have Yin and Yang parts of soulmate asteroids in a cycle.

Example:
Eros 1 conjuncts Karma 2
Karma 1 opposes Saturn 2
Saturn 1 trines Psyche 2
Psyche 1 squares Venus 2
Venus 1 conjuncts Eros 2

In this instance you would have Eros (of the 1st and 2nd person) and Psyche (of the second person), which interact with each other (through Karma and Saturn), and those seem to be important in relationships.

If there were for example:

Isis 1 conjunct ASC 2
ASC 1 squares NN 2
NN 1 trines Juno 2
Juno 1 opposes Psyche 2
Psyche 1 sextiles Isis 2

We would have only the Yin parts of the soulmate couples (Isis and Psyche), and therefor it would not be such a strong sign of an attraction between two people.
Of course there would still be some sympathy and common ground I guess, but not the merging together of male and female principle.

I also wonder if we can combine Osiris with Parvati.
Or Eros with Isis or Persephone.

On the one hand Eros and Osiris are Yang, while Parvati, Isis and Persephone are Yin, so it would fit.
But Eros is Roman, while Parvati is Indian. Can we still put them together in cylces?#

EDIT:

BTW in the first colum there are always planets of the 1st person, int he second of the 2nd person.

His Mars conjuncts my Venus
His Venus opposes my Saturn
his Saturn squares my NN
His NN opposes my Mars

posted January 21, 2009 10:18 AM           

"his ASC conjunct my NN
his NN opposes my Saturn
his Saturn trines my Moon
his Moon conjuncts my Union
his Union conjuncts my Juno
his Juno conjuncts my Amor
his Amor conjuncts my Psyche
his Psyche sextiles my Persephone
his Persephone trines my Valentine
his Valentine opposes my Isis
his Isis trines my Neptune
his Neptune conjuncts my ASC"

You can now look at both colums, in each will be the same planets. In this case:

Psyche
Persephone
Isis

Now as you can see, only Yin planets, so this would not be a cycle of attraction (unless you saw Amor as being the counterpart of Psyche, which you could; but even then it would be more a connection of closeness and compassion than attraction).

So, this linkup actually is not significant for attraction.

"The first linkup I posted:
Venus 1 conjunct True Node 2 (2.8)
True Node 1 opposes Saturn 2(0.1)
Saturn 1 conjunct Karma 2 (0.5)
Karma 1 trine Cupid 2 (0.1)
Cupid 1 conjunct ASC 2 (0.4)
ASC 1 conjunct Neptune 2 (0.7)
Neptune 1 conjunct Mars 2 (1.0)
Mars 1 conjunct Valentine 2 (1.5)
Valentine 1 opposes Venus 2 (0.3)""

It has - on both sides of the equation:

Venus, Cupid, Mars

This one looks rather hot to be honest, but with the presence of Neptune and VAlentine the pure sexual aspect is softened a bit I think.

posted January 21, 2009 10:55 AM         

KARMIC OBJECTS
chiron trine saturn
saturn conjunct mars
mars trine saturn
saturn trine pluto
pluto opp chiron

KARMIC POINTS
AC conjunct AC
AC trine chiron
chiron trine saturn
saturn conjunct mars
mars square NN
NN sextile moon
moon opp moon
moon opp NN
NN square mars
mars trine NN
NN square neptune
neptune trine AC

LOVE ASTEROIDS
moon opp moon
moon opp NN
NN square mars
mars trine NN
NN sq union
union trine moon
moon sq valentine
valentine sq union
union trine amor
amor conj NN
NN sextile moon

SOUL MATE ASTEROIDS
peresphone sq eros
eros sextile isis
isis sextile neptune
neptune sextile eros
eros square parvati
parvati conjunct peresphone

osiris trine mars
mars trine osiris
osiris trine isis
isis trine uranus
uranus sq cupid
cupid opp juno
juno trine osiris

siva conjunct juno
juno trine osiris
osiris sq moon
moon trine parvati
parvati opp psyche
psyche opp siva

posted January 21, 2009 12:12 PM           

according to my understanding of what IQ wrote:

"KARMIC OBJECTS
chiron trine saturn
saturn conjunct mars
mars trine saturn
saturn trine pluto
pluto opp chiron"

This may be a karmic connection, but doesn`t signify attraction or love, as there are no complimentary energies. There is also only one personal planet or asteroid involved, Mars. So you have a chain of Mars-Saturn-Pluto-Chiron, sounds like a lot of karmic work to me.

"KARMIC POINTS
AC conjunct AC
AC trine chiron
chiron trine saturn
saturn conjunct mars
mars square NN
NN sextile moon
moon opp moon
moon opp NN
NN square mars
mars trine NN
NN square neptune
neptune trine AC"
Again, there are no complimentary energies here (like Venus-Mars), even though the Moon is involved. Now IQ posted the MOon under karmic objects, but the Moon also is a feminine symbol, so maybe that could balance the lack of a complimentary counterpart to Mars. But it`s not as ideal probably, as Venus-Mars would be.

So here we have a chain of ASC-Chiron-Mars - Saturn-NN - Neptune; that is definitely a very karmic and personal and complex connection. And again it revolves around Mars (and Moon), maybe there is the need to learn something about THE MASCULINE in both your lives?

"LOVE ASTEROIDS
moon opp moon
moon opp NN
NN square mars
mars trine NN
NN sq union
union trine moon
moon sq valentine
valentine sq union
union trine amor
amor conj NN
NN sextile moon"
Again, this is no "complimentary chain", but nevertheless interesting.

Moon - NN - Mars - Union - Valentine - Amor

Event hough this may not be complimentary (including soulmate couples), all three love asteroids are interlinked, and Moon and lunar nodes are also there. To me this looks like there is the potential for love and care.

"SOUL MATE ASTEROIDS
peresphone sq eros
eros sextile isis
isis sextile neptune
neptune sextile eros
eros square parvati
parvati conjunct peresphone"

There are complimentary aspects, so I guess this could be significant for the love between man and woman.
Your chain is Persephone - Eros - Isis - Parvati - Neptune-
Neptune makes it pretty spiritual I guess.

However, I am still waiting for IQ`s verdict if we can mix up the different mythological figures like eros and Isis (I`d vote for: Yes, but of course Eros - Psyche would be stronger. lol)

"osiris trine mars
mars trine osiris
osiris trine isis
isis trine uranus
uranus sq cupid
cupid opp juno
juno trine osiris"
Here that is a chain that revolves areound Isis and Osiris.
Chain: Osiris - Mars - Isis- Uranus - Cupid - Juno
Could be a soulmate-chain (due to Isis - Osiris), who are meant to have a relationship (Cupid - Juno are also complimentary), but I don´t know how Uranus figures in it all?
Surprising? unpredictable? On and off thing?

"siva conjunct juno
juno trine osiris
osiris sq moon
moon trine parvati
parvati opp psyche
psyche opp siva"
This is one feels very strong to me, too.

Chain: Siva - Juno - Osiris - Moon - Parvati - Psyche

So, there is the soulmate couple Siva - Parvati, and there is much entanglement with the emotional and psychic asteroids Moon and Psyche and also the hint towards a commitment: Juno.
Somehow Osiris looks strange here. He`s like an outsider, missing his Isis.

posted January 21, 2009 12:17 PM         

I didn't actually realise that l had to pair up the M/F

I could make one with osiris/isis and there are other chains l can make - to be honest there are so many aspects that l find it hard to make the chains cos there are so many potential chains to make lol

posted January 21, 2009 01:30 PM           

--I THink im gonna have to spend quite some time to aprehend it hihihi
it is very complex but i think i understood.

While i was trying th cycle i was always thinking where to start and where to go...

-keeping I´Qs sugestion of asteroids
- try to see ying and yang of one conecting with Yang/Ying of the other right?

-but how to choose ?for example can we mix up the ying of one SM Couple with the Yang of other SM couple?As isis with Siva or kaali with osiris?

IQ i think would say no?cause it would be mixing cultures maybe...what do you think?

Lara

posted January 21, 2009 03:29 PM           

It`s a fascinating concept, a further development of double whammies, am I right?`

Diandra,

"- try to see ying and yang of one conecting with Yang/Ying of the other right?"
Yes. And the connecting factors could also be something like Karma or NN, like in the example IQ posted in the thread of Pseudofemme.

"-but how to choose ?for example can we mix up the ying of one SM Couple with the Yang of other SM couple?As isis with Siva or kaali with osiris?"
Well, IQ gave us some examples here and there he did mix up different mythologies.
I`m a bit hesitant, though. It just feels weird to mix Osiris with Parvati or Persephone, you know?
But maybe I am just not used to it.
Funny enough, I have no problems in mixing Eros or Psyche with other asteroids.

BTW Lara found in the other thread that IQ was using an orb of 5° (IQ, 5°? Really? :eek , but personally I limit the orb to 3°.

Of course this means I am losing an Isis-Osiris-opposition of 4° in a synastry, but I don`t want to fall prey to wishful thinking.

I also noticed something strange. In a certain synastry there was a conjunction of his Draco Pluto to my Draco Venus of 4°. Even though I felt that this was an important place in the charts, the Pluto-Venus-conjunction always felt like grasping.
Now I realized that my Draco Vesta exactly falls onto his Draco Pluto (and in the tropical my Pluto trines his Vesta on my DSC and SN and Kaali exactly) - and THAT makes really sense. I resonate strongly with that Pluto-Vesta conjunction, even though I don´t know exactly what it means, just a feeling.

posted January 21, 2009 03:53 PM           

DD

i see!still im gonna take some time to put in order...i was doing some research in the thread i iniciated with davidson vs composite - di you took a look btw? i had the idea to put a multicomposite with both partners and te davisson-it seemed interesting!

i would include that cj isis(osiris hihih - it is still close i think as i think might be a rare conjunction

posted January 21, 2009 03:57 PM           

"Chance for Culmination of Spiritual Fulfillment by merger of soul during sexual intercourse. Chance for Ascension to fourth dimension for both in the next life. Symbolically, it is as if the RIght Brain and Left Brain of the Higher Self are getting balanced in physical reality."

Well, it sounds amazing, but I must say that it is not always a sign of a fated match in my opinon.

You remember about the singer I had a crush on for almost 20 years?
WE share that Isis-Osiris-conjunction on top of those other mythological pairings. Our Isis-Osiris is in Scorpio.

He and his longterm partner also shared an Isis-osiris-conjunction: in Libra.

And his longterm partner, a great singer, I also admire, and me share also the Isis-Osiris-conjunction in composite, this time in Sagittarius.

So the both of them may have been a fated match, okay. They have been together for more than 10 years after all.
But where is the matching between me and either of those guys?

So I think Isis-Osiris-conjunction in composite needs backing up aspects (and even if they are there, there is always an element of choice; do I let it happen or do I block it? Do I want it or do I reject it, because it doesn`t fit in my "life-plan").

posted January 21, 2009 04:15 PM           

is it so rare to find people with isis/osiris cj in natal?

but if the two have natally that cj,than it will surely appears in the composite isnt it?

posted January 21, 2009 04:17 PM         

sun trine moon
venus trine mars
mercury conjunct jupiter
pluto conjunct SN
osiris conjunct isis exact
siva sextile kaali exact
siva conjunct NN
karma trine union exact
valentine conjunct amor
psyche conjunct DC
karma conjunct DC
karma conjunct psyche
juno sextile amor/valentine exact
union trine psyche/karma exact

These are the ones that stand out and l think, even though not soul mate they look pretty good to me

posted January 21, 2009 05:40 PM           

I think the Isis-Osiris - conjunction happens once every 5 years, so it`s not all that often.

In the case of these two singers and me, P and me have an Isis-Osiris-conjunction natally, A`s Isis is 7° off his Osiris, so still pretty close, but not in conjunction.

Yes, I think if both people have Isis-Osiris-conjunction composite will also have them. It is logical, though. Something that both people have in common will play a role in their relationship I think.

posted January 21, 2009 05:40 PM           

yes, nice aspects you have there.

BTW I looked and found a link up in a synastry (I can`t do them systematically, just one at a time, because I actually have no time, even though of course time doesn`t exist ).

Chiron 1 conjunct Juno 2
Juno 1 trine Pluto 2
Pluto 1 square Proserpina 2
Proserpina 1 conjunct Siva 2
Siva 1 square Union 2
Union 1 conjunct Amor 2
Amor 1 conjunct Chiron 2

So, there is a chain of Chiron - Juno- Pluto- Proserpina - Siva- Union and Amor

Feels like dark velvet with a slightly raw surface to me. (I sometimes have those strange associations, don`t mind me )

It`s dark, cause there are actually 3 symbols of the underworld gathered here.
Siva, the Indian God of the Death, Pluto the Roman equivalent, God of underworld, and Proserpina, queen of the underworld after Pluto has abducted her and, well, "made her his" so to speak.

It`s raw, cause there is also Chiron involved; something to do with wounding and healing.
The frame of this chain is actually very strong, as both are conjunctions; Amor - Chiron and Juno - Chiron. Seems to put some emphasis on the need for healing (or wounding).

The velvet - well, two love asteroids are involved in this, and they are even conjunct (Union-Amor), which looks pretty good actually.

The soulmate couple, around which this cycle revolves is Proserpina - Pluto, so at the core of it there seems to be the theme of abduction, the need to leave the old life (Proserpina was forced to leave her mother, when Pluto abducted her) and to become someone else (queen of the underworld and of course losing her virginity. lol).
The process of that transformation would not be too smooth, but pretty abrupt, as Pluto squares Proserpina. INterestingly if you go a bit up and down from the core (Proserpina - Pluto) you find that this connection is surrounded by Juno (aspecting Pluto) and Siva, which is similiar to Pluto (so another reinforcement of the transformative quality) and then Union (aspecting Siva). What a beautiful symmetry! Juno is a Yin symbol, Siva a Yang symbol.
And Juno as well as Union signify connections of any kind.

Ah I think I have been babbling a bit again. It`s late and I should be in bed.

EDIT:

BTW while I have been writing this, the transiting Moon was square my Persephone and opposing my Karma. lol

posted January 22, 2009 04:32 AM           

Hi Lara,
ISIS-OSIRIS conjunction is a very blissful one, I always consider it to be a possibility for merger of two souls, a yin and yang merger across dimensions.
And you do have sufficient back up aspects as well. But tread with caution in this relationship as there are many challenges ahead [like his divorce completion] and the 6 negative aspects I had pointed out earlier.
You are on the thunderbolt karmic path mentioned by Linda Goodman and have been attracting men who should cherish you, instead they refuse to spiritually grow up.
It can be frustrating but as the saying goes, it is darkest before dawn.

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