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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted January 30, 2009 03:56 AM           Edit/Delete Message
According to Stephen Arroyo, its been known to happen.

So dont discount those "minor" aspects, people.

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Lara
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posted January 30, 2009 04:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
I AGREE!

My own chart is full of semi-sextiles and quincunxes and l always have loads of them in relationships

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posted January 30, 2009 04:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
Quincunxes are very strong but less eye-catching than conjunctions, I agree, not sure about semisextiles

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posted January 30, 2009 04:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
well the semi-sextile is the closest aspect to the conjunct!

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posted January 30, 2009 04:55 AM           Edit/Delete Message
In Natal Charts, I have found noviles, quintiles and septiles to be moderately effective. Semi-Sextile very mildly effective. However Sextile is very powerful and so is the quincunx, yes, perhaps almost like a conjunction. Quincunxes are very powerful in synastry too.

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posted January 30, 2009 05:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
Quincunxes are very powerful in synastry too.

Did ya hear that DD? Did ya??!!!!

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posted January 30, 2009 05:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Considering a quincunx is also part of a Yod, I can't imagine how they wouldn't have some impact - pretty noticeable.

.. though I look at them as the 'Huh?!' aspect LOL, since that's how I feel when I see them in my chart for now

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darkdreamer
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posted January 30, 2009 08:02 AM           Edit/Delete Message
I heard it. But just because IQ sais something, it doesn`t mean I blindly buy it.


IQ,
if you`re reading it, this is not meant as an attack. You know I like the way your mind works and you have been a great inspiration to me, but even with your brilliance I canīt accept anything without researching it myself.
This way I can appreciate the amazing insights you have in astrology even MORE.


So Lara or whoever is reading this,
I really do NOT like to follow someone blindly, but I like to follow with my eyes wide open.

My personal take on this is:

1. Don`t forget about the progressions, when semisextiles and quinkunxes become conjunctions and oppositions (Paul Westran did a great research on this).


2. Yes, I do feel quinkunxes are important. I will have to try out noviles.

IQ, what about quindeciles?

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posted January 30, 2009 08:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovegoblin     Edit/Delete Message
DD:

Quindeciles are an obsessive aspect. There is a thread around here somewhere about quindeciles. I thought u might have actually participated in the thread, but i may be incorrect.

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Glaucus
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posted January 30, 2009 08:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I think quincunx can be stronger than conjunction if it has a tighter orb

for instance

I have Sun quincunx Saturn with 12 minutes of arc.
I have Moon conjunct Mars with 7'17 orb

I do feel the Sun quincunx Saturn more than the Moon conjunct Mars.

I really believe that it depends on the orb of an aspect. A tight orbed aspect minor can be stronger than a wide orbed major aspect.

I see this with the sesquiquadrate,semisquare especially

2 planets that are in semisextile with a 3rd planet quindecile the other two will form a 24th harmonic isosceles triangle. I call it a skinny yod....hahahaha


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posted January 30, 2009 09:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls     Edit/Delete Message
Wait so in synastry would a Quincux act out like a conjunction? Or an opposition?

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darkdreamer
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posted January 30, 2009 09:42 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Not in my book, even though both, conjunction and quinkunx, could be a binding factor, but for different reasons.
A conjunctions binds because you have something in common, a quinkunx may bind because of the fascination of being different, yet being able to learn from each other.

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Glaucus
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posted January 30, 2009 09:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
also some quincunxes can work well because of shared traditional rulers

Aries and Scorpio are quincunx signs,and they share Mars as traditional ruler.

Taurus and Libra are quincunx signs,and they share Venus as traditional ruler

Actually Stephen Arroyo uses co-rulerships for Scorpio,Aquarius,and Pisces. I do too.

I have Sun in 5'20 Scorpio in 2nd quincunx Saturn in 5'08 Gemini R in 9th. A planet in 4 to 6 degree Aries in my 7th will form a yod with my Sun quincunx Saturn. A planet in 3'15 to 5'15 Aries would actually square my Sun/Moon midpoint in 4'15 Capricorn. Transiting Uranus will be in those degrees in 2012,and so will form a yod transit with my Sun quincunx Saturn. That would seem a lot of big changes,adjustments during that time. On my Solar Return on October 28, 2012, Uranus will be in 5'27 Aries R.


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posted January 30, 2009 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
i have 5 natal quincunx's under 2 degrees including a yod, and l agree with Glaucus that it can be stronger than the conjunction, which l seem to have as very close aspects in synastry. It's strong and very present.


Hi Glaucus

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augentier
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posted January 30, 2009 11:37 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Verrrrry interesting..I did not know about the quincunx..I wish astro.com showed it.

So I have moon quincunx moon with someone in 1 deg. Taurus-Sagittarius. Hmmm?

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posted January 30, 2009 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
So you guys read quincunxes as conjunctions? I think my Saturn is quincunx my Sun. Maybe it's my ascendant. I'll have to check.

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darkdreamer
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posted January 30, 2009 12:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message
I am not. A quinkunx is not a conjunction, even though the intensity can be similiar.

I also agree with Glaucus and Lara. The tightest aspects will be the dominant ones.

I have an exact Moon-Saturn-quinkunx, and I do feel the intensity of it very strongly.
But it`s not a conjunction. It connects two different realms, instead of emphasising one area of life.

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Glaucus
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posted January 30, 2009 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

I don't read quincunxes as conjunctions. I don't think anybody said that quincunxes are like conjunctions.

the post was about that quincunxes and semisextiles can be stronger than conjunctions.
I believe that can be the case if the quincunxes and semisextiles have a small orb compared to conjunctions that have a large orb.


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posted January 30, 2009 12:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message
I agree.

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