posted February 05, 2009 06:55 AM           

I was hoping someone could help me out with this question i have been researching for the past few weeks, i've gone through all the forums and sites but haven't found any info that gives me good insight and understanding this this particular synastry question i have about me and someone ive been seeing for over a year now. Its one of the weirdest relationships ever (think pluto and persephone) and i think the 12th house has something to do with it.

His Venus and Mars fall in my 12th house, which is in Pisces (uh-oh) and depending on what you read, is the most scariest, negative, evilist house and it all sounds so bad but im not inclined to believe this person is my enemy because well, they're just not lol (watery cancer sun/airy libra moon/fiery aries asc, very intuitive here).

Our r/s does revolve around 12th house issues, we've experienced a few. This r/s is concealed cos he's got a family obligation to get out of which will take a while. But yeah, its all those confinement issues, inc institutions, secret groups, secret enemies (not towards each other). We have a psychic connection that words are not usually needed. We just "know"

Also we have mainly trine aspects with saturn which indicates karma and past lives rather than aspects b/w the typical planets eg mars, venus, moon etc.

Basically, i feel like im meant to do something massive in this life with this person i just dont know what. So if anyone could give me some much needed insight as to what it means when someone's venus AND mars falls in your 12th house which is in pisces, then please go for it, id really appreciate it. Ive heard so much about somone's sun in your 12th house, but not about the 2 important planets in love, VENUS & MARS

Also, his moon falls in my 1st house and his saturn falls in my 8th house, ruled by scorpio and his pluto falls in that too or the 7th house, which is ruled by libra so does anyone know what it means when someone's pluto falls in your 7th? or 8th? lol, confusing i know

cheers

posted February 05, 2009 05:37 PM           

3 real life experiences:

My own Sun, Mars and Mercury fell into the 12th house of my most serious relationship-partner. We had been a couple for nine years, shared an appartment, it was a marriage-like, adult relationship. He cheated on me once, at the early stages of our love story - but it was very easy for me to find out (I always detraced his "lying"). He soon "learned" that he wasn't able to hide such things from me - and I quickly understood why he had commited that betrayal - I was able to forgive him - I could really "see through" his motives, I definitely had a view into "the window of his soul" - and from that I could see that there was a strong regret on his side - and I was sure that from that point onwards he'd be a very true friend & lover to me. And ... he was! We stood together for another 7 years then - and finally broke-up due to other reasons. When we split, he said: "I'll miss your guidance." That touched me strongly! We're still friends today, respect each other deeply, and just feel as real friends, hardly anyone does know the other person better than we know each other.

Another experience: My first "real love" ever (lastin 4.5 years, as a young adult, not sharing a household) - it was his Venus in my own 12th house. I felt very much controlled, critized and sort of "educated" by this guy - there were some strong tendencies inside of me to defend myself against this mental intrusion ... On the other hand: I appreciated that certain kind of "attentiveness" to my personality a lot. He seemed to care, to really have some "interest" in me - not at all shallow. He pointed out all the contradictions and weaknesses, always. I felt "seen through", and not always was that mirror effect comfortable for me. But: I felt a deep respect for that guy and knew I was able to learnn a lot from him (which I did, not only about myself). This relationship is an important milestone in my life - I HAD to give in to a feeling of "being weak" sometimes ... but from that I definitely learned how to be strong!;-) That man was kind of a soul-teacher for me.

3rd example: In my latest relationship it was the opposite way: It was my own Venus which fell into my Ex-bf's 12th house. He is a 12th-house-personality himself, having his own Sun,Mercury, Pluto and Uranus there. Here I experienced all the negative effects such a 12th-house-placement in Synastry might have. To make it short: I think he felt tooooo intruded and "seen through" by me. At first he liked that very special attention he got from me - but soon it might have felt too intense for his liking. At the same time I found it very diffcult to trust him. There had been other Synastry-factors too, but the 12th-house-dynamics here ... they certainly added to a basic feeling of mutual suspicion, brooding aggresiveness, vagueness, doubts and fears. he didn't want to accept the kind of "mirror effect" I obviously had on him. And I wasn't able to come up "less tense", I couldn't help the fact that he somehow felt "intruded" in his soul ...

posted February 05, 2009 08:52 PM           

The mirror effect, OMG! Your so right about that, i DO feel he's able to see straight through me and he manages to get through any defense or mask i put up, i cant hide. And when we met, yes it did feel like he kind of "intruded" subtlely into my life without me even realising. He's a real force and presence in my life, he's the one who helped me retire from stripping. I ALWAYS feel like he's analysing me and yeah there's this emotional and mental closeness, its like comfort, and we do have that psychic connection.

Your absolutely right about the faith and trust thing, being involved in secret groups the 12th house is famous for there's a heap that i dont know and he's always telling me to trust him, to have faith. The one time i didn't he came back after 2months when he was supposed to be away for up to 5yrs, its was like karma saying, "See, told you to have faith"

Atm its like kind of secret, but more because there's bigger stuff going on and there's family obligations that are in the way, so its more that its unofficial as we wait for that space to open to up

Cheers, thanks heaps for that. More input and experiences most definitely welcome!
Any idea what it means when their moon is in your 1st house and their pluto either in your 7th or 8th?