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Vintry
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posted February 18, 2009 08:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Guyz, his Saturn is exactly square my Venus :(

So what kind of trouble am I watching out for? What should be wrong? So far, nothing..

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snohawk1
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posted February 18, 2009 08:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Here's the textbook answer you've read in all sorts of books and didn't come to a site to hear:
Saturn will resent Venus And Venus will feel stifled and dominated.

On a more personal level I know some one who has this aspect towards me, and I'm pretty sure it's her Saturn aswell. I sort of feel like she's unrightfully taking the spot light, which may seem like I'm resenting her, but yeah. If you want specific answers you gotta give specific instances.

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Moon: Libra
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scrappydog
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posted February 18, 2009 08:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message
He will be cold and resentful towards you!

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Vintry
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posted February 18, 2009 08:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message
underestimated, not appreciated by Saturn person.... thats what I heard about this aspect. But I dont see that right now. Quite the opposite :) Or maybe its because we also have Jupiter conjunct Venus and he's the Jupiter :) I dont know..

What else does the aspect bring?

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writesomething
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posted February 18, 2009 08:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message
I like venus square saturn in synastry...it means it has a chance of leading to something significant.

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Vintry
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posted February 18, 2009 08:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message
It just scares me that on the CafeAstrology web site they put this aspect in the Red Alert list! Is really THAT bad?

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redstar
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posted February 18, 2009 08:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message
The Saturn will inhibit Venuses mode of expressing affection,beauty and love - towards the Saturn and on the whole.

Saturn may be doing what he feels is the right and proper thing to do-for example Venus could get frisky in a public place, but will get turned down and reprimanded by Saturn for unseemly and improper behavior.

Venus might find itself restricted and unappreciated by Saturn, even if Saturn DOES appreciate and love Venus.

In my personal experience, Saturn (in Capricorn!) would totally block or delay any advances or "frisky behavior" type affection from Venus(me Venus in Aries conjunct Mars).
It drove me nuts. We were totally on opposite ends of the "expressing love" scale. I was all about spontaneity and free expression of affection, while he wanted to pre-plan it, and totally disapproved of couple-y behavior in public (total textbook case)

I was too impatient to stick it out and see where this square could've lead.

Look at the signs and house placements to get the full story.


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Vintry
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posted February 18, 2009 08:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message
OMG, venus mars aries conjunction! HOT :)

Someone's Saturn squaring it must feel like a death penalty to you )) unbearable probably

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ErickaF
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posted February 18, 2009 08:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message
speaking from personal experience, I feel you must be together as a couple a long time to feel squares. I mean more thana year at least?
I never experienced this particular aspect. But seriously, Saturn does indicate longetivity in relationship, but who wants Saturn to hit their Venus?
In the long run, Saturn may feel depressed. My friend has this with his girl, going on seven years now. But they also have it in composite, so I don't know.
But don't worry too much what those silly websites say...go with your heart.

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Vintry
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posted February 18, 2009 08:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message
You know, the guy says that its OK to be possessive if you care about someone... Surely its not... is it..?

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redstar
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posted February 18, 2009 08:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Hehe Vintry it totally was!
I used to get so frustrated in all the possible ways, and absolutely the closest to a death penalty I have ever experience while still living (You've described that beautifully)
My conjunction was mighty unhappy and boisterous- fun times.

Don't get me wrong, I'm pretty sure the Saturn person doesn't bring down and "control" the venus just because it can, but due to an inner conviction that it knows what is "proper" and 'right'.
Hence in a harmonious Venus/Saturn aspect there is always that sense of comfort/stability/reliance for the Venus to be gained from the Saturn.

But in a square, its those same energies, except they are at odds with the way Saturn and Venus choose to express themselves, and the said energies, towards each other, creating tension and misunderstandings.

In my observation Venus is just as grating on the Saturn - Saturn might perceive the Venus to be too social,flippant,"vain" or self focused and fun loving, hence Saturn will try and "control" the venus and get cranky at all the 'lovey-dovey" vibes coming off her.

Jupiter conjunct Venus would mitigate it for sure - remember majority of synastries are a mixed bag of blessings.

Edit Possessiveness - now there's a fun subject. What are the placements for you guys?

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augentier
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posted February 18, 2009 09:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message
I have this with someone I love..I'm Venus and he is Saturn in Aquarius. I felt like he was totally receptive and adoring until it got to the "next step" in the relationship, and he backed out and ever since then it feels like he is stifling my affection and I have totally toned it down in terms of flirting with him..although I wish it were how it used to be. He doesn't seem to like the intensity all the time.

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Capricorn sun / Scorpio rising / Sagittarius moon

Mercury:: Sagittarius
Venus::Scorpio
Mars::Pisces

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redstar
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posted February 18, 2009 09:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message
((augentier)) thats what happened to me too when I was the venus

Yep the minute the relationship turns serious-so does the Saturn, it's like their inner disciplinarian and anti-fun and frivolity filter goes up.

I always felt like I was being told off for being my impulsive and affectionate self.

What made it worse is that he reasoned it by telling me it was for my own good, and people shouldn't be trusted, I was too open and naive blah blah.

But I could see his side too- he was just trying to 'protect' someone he loved form the big,bad,scary world (in his view).
He expressed it by controlling and reprimanding.

Ah moments like these you wish astrology was wrong.

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GemGemGem
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posted February 18, 2009 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemGemGem     Edit/Delete Message
I think the extremity of Saturn being the old crotchety teacher can be lessened if the Saturn person has the sign of the other person's Venus prevalent in their own chart.

For example if the Saturn of Person A (let's just say it's in Virgo) is making a hard aspect to person B's Venus, (Let's just say it's in Gemini) I think Person A's Virgo saturn will not be as cold, or strict towards
person B's Gemini venus, if person A has many Gemini placements. I think then, saturn can understand and relate to this energy and not be so threatened by it, therefore it won't feel such a need to restrict the Venus person.

Just a theory, never experienced it though.

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Dulce Luna
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posted February 18, 2009 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message
I've experienced the opposition to my venus twice. I say AMEN to everything about saturn trying to suppress venus' nature because it happened to me in both instances. In the latter experience, I was 'shallow', 'vain', 'self-absorbed', and a biatch.....all according to saturn. Oddly enough though, my saturn also opposed his mars and well, I did see him as extremely petulant which sucked since we worked together.

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Vintry
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posted February 19, 2009 08:24 AM           Edit/Delete Message
OK, I've checked. His Saturn in Scorpio in 12th house is squaring my Venus in Aquarius in 4th.

Now what does that mean?

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Vintry
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posted February 19, 2009 08:32 AM           Edit/Delete Message
but his Saturn falls in my 2nd house and my Venus in his 9th house.

The Jupiter Venus conjunction which I mentioned before is not tight though, its 7 degrees seperating.. But there are some aspects I really like, like his Venus trine my Moon and my Moon sextile his Venus :)

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GemGemGem
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posted February 19, 2009 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemGemGem     Edit/Delete Message
Now that I think of it, I did experience a saturn/Venus conjunction in my past. My first boyfriend and I had my saturn conjunc this venus. He has NEVER thought of me as a buzzkill, or someone who ruins his fun! On the contrary, we always talk about how much fun we used to have together.

But like I said I think it's because my Virgo Saturn conjunct his Virgo Venus, "understood" eachother because he also had VIrgo Sun so he knew where the lessons I was trying to teach were coming from.

Vintry, so do you have any Scorpio placements, and does he have any aquarius placements?

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Vintry
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posted February 20, 2009 07:45 AM           Edit/Delete Message
No, outer planets only,, but that's different.

One thing I noticed.. He's very serious (about relationship, wants everything to be perfect, to work on achieving that). But when I tell him he's too serious, he says he's not. We'll see where this is gonna go.

Thank you all! Great replies as usual :)

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Vintry
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posted February 20, 2009 07:47 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Also, I wanted to ask.. About orbs. Orbs in synastry for Saturn to personal planets? What's acceptable? Is 9 degrees still powerful?

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WaterDog
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posted February 20, 2009 01:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message
I had this. I was the venus in this, and I felt stifled by him, suppressed, held down. Told to go slower and behave more like him. I saw him as cold, and I told him so many times. He took offense, but...it is what it is. If you're cold, you're cold; don't pretend to get all fussy about it.

Didn't last long.

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Vintry
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posted February 20, 2009 02:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Im gonna try and defrost him :)

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katatonic
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posted February 20, 2009 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
i think saturn acts this way when he feels threatened/ insecure. he may say its for your own good, and even mean it, but really he is just trying to keep the relationship at a place that feels safe to him. if both parties admit the other has a point it can work very well...probably up to venus to be the initial "understanding one"

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