posted February 19, 2009 09:41 AM            

In truth I wish I didn't believe in astrology and that every new day was without a variable.

What's your opinion?

posted February 19, 2009 10:00 AM            

I'm not so sure God approves about astrology but here you can decide for yourself,http://www.north-node.com/astrology-articles/astrology-and-the-bible

posted February 19, 2009 11:27 AM              

Astrology is mentioned in the dead sea scrolls in the book of Enoch and the bible. It tells how the angels fell from grace and how they taught humans the secrets of heaven. Heaven, my guardian angels have led me to astrology to find truth for myself.

The three wisemen studied the stars to lead them to jesus.
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posted February 19, 2009 11:39 AM            

I believe that there is a place for God. I am a strong believer in God. I don't believe in "old man high in the sky watching over us" God though. I believe in God as everything and that it is in everything. That means that I am a pantheist. Sometimes, I refer to God as the universe. I might even just use the word,the divine. I could even say that it's nature itself. Pan is the Greek God of Nature,and Pan means "all"

Because of my belief in pantheism, I believe that we all connected through the divine energy that I believe is in every one of us. I believe that Astrology works because everything in existence is connected to each other,and so that includes the heavenly bodies. That's why I even believe that asteroids(even personal name asteroids) work in Astrology. I believe that God is both female and male....the yin and yang. I believe that a positive always to have a negative and vice versa. The positive and negative balance each other out that it's neutral. We see that with negative integers and positive intergers. a negative integer of a number plus the positive integer of the number ( - 1 + 1 = 0). The number zero has no beginning nor end just like I believe that time,space,and cosmos has no beginning nor end. Both positive and negative integers go to infinity. There is no beginning nor end to numbers. I believe that life is infinite itself as it goes in cycles. Once it reaches the end of 1 cycle,it goes to another. I even believe that concept applies to birth,death,rebirth concept of reincarnation which I am a believer in. I also believe in parallel universes,and I believe that there is infinite number of universes. I believe that all of us have counterparts in parallel universes too. I even believe that with all these infinite parallel universes,there is infinite possibilities of how our lives can manifest. Therefore,I believe that our potential is infinite. I even believe that every moment, the actions we take actually even lead us to transference to one parallel universe to another and to another, but we don't realize it. It's like going back in time,but when you go back,it's like you never left. Nothing has changed except your thoughts,feelings to your surroundings which can be connected to change in frequencies which can be due to unconscious shift to another universe parallel to the one that we were previously in. I even believe that our imaginations actually help us tap into these parallel universes. I believe that the dreamworld is actually a parallel universe where the laws of physics don't apply, and so things like flying can easily happen with just a thought.

We can say that 3Dimensional objects have no end because of overlapping sides. We can go in various directions and go to the end which can also be a beginning like the corner of a table as you go down a side and get to the end,you're a corner which also beginning of another side. Of course, objects that are round have no sides and corners, and no matter how you turn it, it looks the same. That's how I view God. No matter how we perceive God from certain sides,angles, I believe that it's still the same God. It's our perceptions of God what makes God to be different. I believe that applies to everything else because God is all.

I believe that Astrology is a form of divination in that the divine could give us messages and information. I believe that the divine could give us messages and information through Numerology,Tarot,Palmistry,Channeling,Mediumismand other things. I don't believe that a belief in Astrology and other divination systems contradicts the concept of God.

I believe that the heavenly bodies in our solar system are archetypal energies,and that the myths,legends can help us understand the archetypes that are within us. I believe that the sky is reflection of our selves. Therefore,I believe what goes on in the sky, goes on inside us. I believe in synchronicity like Carl Jung believed in.

Because I believe that the sky is reflection of ourselves and we are born with the same objects at the time, we are the same for are composed by the same energies. The variations of our levels are reflected by our different heavenly body positions. We all have the same aspects,but they are just in different angular relations which reflect the varying levels of our potential which can be viewed as weaknesses and strengths from a relative standpoint.

We can look at the chart from various angles like we can look at it from ecliptical longitude(zodiac sign placements),ecliptical latitude,equatorial longitude (Right Ascension which astronomers use instead of ecliptic longitude),equatorial latitude(declinations which astronomers use and some astrologers use),horizon coordinates (coordinates from the view of your location),and others. there could be infinite amount of coordinates, but there are just few made and used because they make sense because it's neat,orderly,and sequential - linear concept. Infinite,unlimited,chaos,disorder are all nonlinear concepts. When when we consider all these coordinates, we will find more aspects that mirror the similarities that we have with other.Therefore,it's true that if we look hard enough,we will find it. That's just how the universe works. It's infinite,and so there are infinite ways to look at things. The possibilities are infinite. The possibilities of the people that we interact with are infinite. The experiences that we have our infinite.

In a way, I believe that Astrology is finding information through God by analyzing the sky.

"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:"
- Genesis 1:14 in King James Version of The Bible

Sometimes I wonder if the people who quote the Bible to condemn Astrology have ever read what is on the very first page? It says God made these heavenly bodies to show us "signs" of His intentions, and those signs are there for anyone to read, if they would only learn how to interpret them.

That is what Astrology is all about - interpreting the signs in the motions of the sun, moon, and "wandering" stars. And that is why Kings and Popes have consulted Astrologers throughout the entire recorded history of mankind. In ancient times these wise counselors were called Magi (wise men) or Chaldeans, since many of the wise men who knew the principles of Astrology were from the land of known as Chaldea.
http://www.astrologyzine.com/astrology-bible.shtml

My studies in Astrology have actually helped strengthened my belief in God.

I will tell you straight up....I am really into Asteroids, and I really believe that the asteroids (especially the named asteroids) can finetune messages that God give us through Astrology. I believe planets by themselves can be very vague.

I am attending an Interfaith Unity Church called Spiritual Life Center now. http://slcworld.org/

posted February 19, 2009 01:19 PM            

Just to be clear, I agree with you. I've always wondered about this, though, and would be interested in your take.

Here is one of them:

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Deuteronomy 18:10-12 says that practicing witchcraft, sorcery, soothsaying, interpreting omens, making spells, and being a medium or spiritist, are all terrible sins to God.

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posted February 19, 2009 01:51 PM            

the bible is full of contradictions and things that are outdated any way.

I don't believe the Bible should be taken literally because I believe that it's a book of mythology like Egyptian,Greek,Roman,Norse mythologies and all other mythologies. They all have to do with coming up with divine explanations for why things are.

I believe that you can find truth in mythology if you look at figuratively and and not literally.

I think of the characters in the Bible as archetypes just like characters in the mythology (especially deities) are considered archetypes. All these myths,legends,characters in the myths,legends could be part of the collective unconscious.

posted February 19, 2009 01:56 PM            

An illustration of the Metaphysical to Reality...

If you had a drop of Mercury
and placed it on a sheet of mirror(Mercury backed)

The appearance to one another would reflect the other

The Mercury drop would bestow a warmth to the mirage;
the mirror has no images except for the existence of the Mercury behind the glass.

The drop of Mercury is the Metaphysical;
the Mercury backed mirror is Reality.

You speak of a variable, or the ability to change anything predetermined; a variable has nothing to do with human existence, per se, the person you think you can be is directly proportionate to your awareness of who you are. 'Variability' is when we are given the grace to co-create with the divine.

By building self-constructs we allow effervescent light to illuminate us in a multi-faceted awareness. This is when what we perceive as a variable is really the result of enabling the awareness to illuminate any ignorance; we are then made available to the presence of infinite possibilities. That is, through awareness, we can trancend the limitations of ignorance. The more awareness we have; the greater our intimate relation to the divine.

The problem is how do we know the difference between the truth of ourselves and our world, as opposed to any perceived deviations that only increase our ignorance or detract from a better way of being.

We don't. Which is quite a relief when you think about it. This is where we draw on our own faith and trust. Sometimes the deviations take us more quickly to our illumination, sometimes when we think we are 'living in the light' we are actually perpetuating our misery.

We can't progress any further then our awareness. We need to be mindful of being humble in the face of vast greatness and untold creation. Foster compassion for ourselves and others, and all things will be 'added unto' us as deemed by our spiritual condition.

posted February 19, 2009 01:59 PM            

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Is there a place for God in astrology?

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No.

But there is a place for astrology in God.

posted February 19, 2009 03:07 PM              

What is the Universe?It is Energy.

What/Who is God?It is Energy.

Who are we?We are God,created in his resemblence.

All that exists it is energy - thus all that we create it is God´s creation.

posted February 19, 2009 06:25 PM              

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the bible is full of contradictions and things that are outdated any way.

I don't believe the Bible should be taken literally because I believe that it's a book of mythology like Egyptian,Greek,Roman,Norse mythologies and all other mythologies. They all have to do with coming up with divine explanations for why things are.

I believe that you can find truth in mythology if you look at figuratively and and not literally.

I think of the characters in the Bible as archetypes just like characters in the mythology (especially deities) are considered archetypes. All these myths,legends,characters in the myths,legends could be part of the collective unconscious.

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posted January 18, 2012 04:18 AM            

Genesis 1:14 - 19 "And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day."

If you are speaking in terms of the biblical God, then there are plenty references to astrology as being a natural part of reality. There are twelve tribes of Israel and a nice verse in Genesis about the "traits" of the founding fathers for each tribe. The four cherubim at the four corners of heaven have four different faces, A Bull (Taurus), a Lion (Leo), an Eagle (Scorpio), and a Man (Aquarius)....

The list goes on and on and on... Back then astrology was part of astronomy, so it was just considered part of the way God created nature. I would put references up, but I am too lazy, you shouldn't have any trouble finding more answers on Google, with Astrology AND Bible in the search bar. =)

posted January 18, 2012 04:27 AM            

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Originally posted by AcousticGod:
I would say that the study of astrology is more likely to stir you spiritually than not, so if you're looking for God you're not in a bad place.

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Yes! Exactly. Astrology is actually the only reason I do believe in God. If our lives are predestined, if nothing is coincidence and everything is the way it should be, and there is a master plan out there for all of us, then what better proof than that do I need that God exists? I believe astrology is possibly the best way God has of speaking to us directly. I don't believe in God the way Christianity does---that whole "Let go and let God." thing. But I do believe that we all have a purpose for being on this earth and we are all meant to learn certain lessons and teach others certain lessons by being here. Just by reading the description of an astrological aspect in your natal chart, you can understand what you were meant to learn from the hardships in your life. Just by reading the description of a composite aspect of a relationship, you can learn what the relationship is there to teach you about life. Not everyone is meant to have a happy life. Some of us have more squares and harsh saturn aspects than others. But if you study astrology, you learn that you cause all these things in yourself for a good reason: because you need it to grow. Venus square pluto people are scared of never being loved so they cause drama in relationships to prove to themselves that the other person loves them. If they decide to stick around despite the drama, then that is the ultimate sign that the person really does care. But they need that intensity so they can feel alive, and so they can impassion others to feel alive as well. It may be bittwersweet, but it serves the soul's spiritual purpose. Sun negative aspect to saturn people are here to learn that other people arent necessarily like their strict, harsh parents. They slowly begin to accept responsibility in their lives as a result of learning that everyone is not like their parents and doesnt make them feel like they will only love them for what they can do for them. But once the saturn person stops being rebellious against responsibility for anger towards what their parents used it as, they can inspire the world with their hard work ethic and need to make everything done well. What better tool can we use than astrology to "see that the grass isn't greener" on the other side and to understand a stranger's hardships just by taking a peek at their natal chart aspects.

Some of the other things about astrology that inspire me are what i wrote about in this thread

posted January 18, 2012 04:37 AM            

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I personally do not use astrology for fortune-telling. I use it for personality analysis and synastry--the same way that I'd use the Myers-Briggs. I also am most interested in using it to bring people together and to understand people (I'm a Libra, quelle surprise).

On top of that, I would say that astrology simply represents what God has given you. What you choose to do with it is up to you.

I see life as half fate, half choice. Some things are beyond our control; all we can control is how we react in those cases. Other things, we can control, and we can learn to make good choices.

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i totally agree with all of this. About the reincarnation thing, also, linda goodman believed that the soul goes through different lives and that is really what astrology and its zodiac signs is---the reaction of the soul to its environment in response to its previous life. For example the first time a soul lives he lives as an aries---very excited for everything and unaware of the risks involved. After suffering some major burns, next soul life it decides to tone things down by a lot and reacts by becoming extremely cautious and close-minded, as well as somehwat disheartened and overly practical (taurus). Then it becomes so bored of monotony and fear of change that ot wants to explode and explore every possible thing...But it is still cautious and fearful of those major burns it got as an aries, so it is stillcautious and chooses to stifle passion and experience all of life through its mind as a Gemini, instead of by action as it did when it was an aries. Eventually the soul has been there done that and feels that it has seen and herd pretty much everything---there is nothing new left that could possibly stimulate it or inspire it on the surface of life, so it asks all the deep questions, desperately seeks meaning, and feels kind of lonely As a cancer.

posted January 18, 2012 06:53 AM            

There is not a single verse in the Quran that prohibits or condemns Astrology. There are some hidden clues to Astrology in Chapter 12 of the Quran. Many times, in the chapters near the end, Divine Oath is taken in the name of the Sun, Lunar Mansions and Stars as examples of Divine Creation and Order. How would Arabic Parts have come about in Astrology, if it was forbidden?

However, Islam went through a huge political crisis in the 7th Century itself, and after many bloody wars and conquests, dramatic changes occurred in interpretation because of voluminous oral traditions which have no legal basis in the Quran. These oral traditions gave the impression of considering astrological predictions to be unlawful. But even the most closed headed orthodox Arabic scholar today is unable to give a single shred of evidence
from the oral traditions that personality analysis and psychological analysis using Astrological Charts is forbidden/illegal, even in their very warped interpretation of Islam.

I think Judaism is even more tolerant, else we would not have the Kabbalah System.

Reincarnation is another matter but I find that there is no word for "Consciousness" in Semitic Faiths. It is the Consciousness/Divine Spirit that Reincarnates. Even the Soul/Auric Body connected to one particular Etheric Body and Physical Body will end with death of the Physical Body. I think this is what Semitic Faiths wanted to convey but could not grasp.

God is All and God owns All. God owns even the False gods and illusory Universes/Maya. God can create a trillion satans, lucifers, demiurges, fallen angels, if He chooses; just as He can create a trillion Christs, Apostles, Buddhas, Archangel Michaels, Ascendant Masters and even a trillion Universes/Dimensions for He is Infinite and Able to do All things.

I think we only insult our intelligence by ascribing limitations or negativity to God.

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