posted February 19, 2009 06:46 PM         

"view the charts of Paul and Linda McCartney and that of Joanne Woodward and Paul Newman. Those long standing and nurturing relationships have many of the “soulmate” aspects."
http://ryoin.wordpress.com/2008/07/28/synastry-aspects-for-soulmates-and-twinflames/

posted February 20, 2009 04:05 AM           

Here are both Synastry Charts:

Linda and Paul:

Joanne and Paul:

posted February 20, 2009 04:15 AM           

Some special Synastry is not between them two.

His Venus and Uranus in her 7th, his POF in her 1st between her Moon and Venus;
both Chiron are in conjunction;
Her Sun and Neptune in his 1st house;

In both Charts is important 1st house.

What I like: Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward have almost the same AC.

Buena

p.s. Maybe it would be better with some Asteroids?

posted February 20, 2009 09:22 AM         

Buena, you sweetie thank you for posting those. That will give me a good start and maybe someone with the correct McCartney birthtime chart and some basic asteroids like Vertex, Ceres, Vesta or Juno etc etc etc will post what they have on file. I'm still learning the asteroids so I don't go much further than what is listed at astro unless someone here brings it up and explains it! Until then, this is AWESOME!!! Thank you, Buena!

Cash/Carter might be a good chart to have here too as sort of a contrast since it took them a long time to get fully "together" though they seemed to be "together" at first site (according to the movie anyway...).

posted February 22, 2009 07:47 AM           

I like Synastry Charts, so is no problem for me to post them.

Here are Paul and Linda (don't know the number of Vertex).

posted February 23, 2009 05:19 AM           

- the (old) ruler of his DSC is exactly conjunct her Karma

- the (new) ruler of his DSC is conjunct her Neptune and (widely with an orb of: 4°) conjunct her Sun

- the (new) ruler of his DSC therefore is also conjunct the ruler of her 5th house (the connection between ruler of 7th and 5th house seem to pop frequently up in romantic relationships)

- the ruler of her DSC squares his Karma (so, we have a DW on DSC-ruler / Karma, even though one is a square, adding probably a bit spice and energy to the whole)

posted February 23, 2009 09:49 AM           

I didn`t want to confuse you. But I hope I can explain what I mean.

"I don't know what you mean by "old" and "new" ruler."
You know that every sign has a ruler, a planet that rules the sign, for example: Venus is the ruling planet or ruler of Libra.

Now there are some signs, which have two rulers, and those are Scorpio, Aquarius and Pisces.
Before the discovery of Pluto, Uranus and Neptune it was believed that they were ruled by Mars (Scorpio), Saturn (Aquarius) and Jupiter (Pisces) - those are the old rulers, and several astrologer still use them, and I have found them pretty accurate.

Now after the discovery of Uranus, Neptune and Pluto they have been given the rulerships of these planets: Uranus ruling Aquarius, Neptune ruling Pisces and Pluto ruling Scorpio - those are the new rulers. I usually look at both.

"Do you know the correct times and are you going by that,"
I think they are as correct as we can believe a celebritie`s time of birth being correct.
Paul Westran used those times in his book and the same time also appears on astrotheme, and I think astrotheme is fairly accurate. If they do not know a birthtime they will mention that it is unknown.
So I trust the times are pretty correct.

" also do not know what "contrascia" means. I'll look it up though."

Antiscia / contrascia or mirrordegree or solstice points are "reflection points". I once wrote something about them, and if you do not mind, I copy it here.

" The antiscia are mirrordegrees, shadows or reflection.
A planet on 7° Sagittarius casts a shadow onto 23° Capricorn and 23° Cancer and is thus reflected by those degrees, or rather planets that are on these degrees.
It works like a complimentary connection.

You know Sagittarius likes to walk or hurry through life with his heads in the clouds, joking here and there and taking life the easy way (not ALL Sag`s are like this, of course); he`s the traveller, the gambler, who doesn`T take things to serious. He sais: why worry about tomorrow? Live today instead.

But underneath this sunny exterior, there is a shadow, and that shadow is reflected through his Antiscion and Contrascion.
Does Capricorn shows him how to make more out of his dreams, to transform dreams into goals? Does he show Mr Lucky how to get the work done?
Or does Cancer show him how important it is to have a home he can return to? What sense is in travelling when you have nowhere to return to?
Does he maybe show Mr Take-it-easy, that there are people he has responsibility for, people who care for him and who needs to be cared for?

In this way those mirrordegrees reflect our Mr Sag; the result is a mysterious pull towards the other planet`s person. An attraction that sais: "You`Re so different from me. I don`t really understand you. But something just resonates strongly within me and I just HAVE to get close to you."

It`s not like the opposition. You know with the opposition I see two magnets that are magnetized to each other, and there is a great spark and tension between them.
With the antiscion / contrascion it`s like we are all kinda jigsawpieces with irregular ends, and Miss Cancer, just fits to Mr Sag`s puzzle.

The opposition to me seems to be a horizontal connection, a straight line, a magnetism, horizontal.
The antiscion / contrascion is a connection from surface to underneath, it`s kinda vertical.

Am I still making sense to you?

Some astrologers even believe that the antiscion-degrees are the real important missing piece to find your Twinsoul. (I personally think there could be truth in it, but there are so many perspectives you can look from).

But what I know is that these connections are really strong and hypnotic, more hypnotic than magnetic probably.

Just think of it:

Aries - Libra: Virgo and Pisces
Taurus - Scorpio: Leo and Aquarius
Gemini - Sagittarius: Cancer and Capricorn

Unlike with the opposition, here is always a connection between a female and a male sign. All elements are included in such a sequence. IT just lookes so WHOLE. COMPLETE

If I have Moon on 28° Sagittarius and someone else has Sun on 2° Capricorn, we would still consider those two planets conjunct (4° orb), but since 0° Capricorn is a "mirror-axis", it also means that the MOon is 2° in front of this mirror and Sun is 2° behind this mirror. And everytime two planets are equidistant from our mirror, they are said to be in antiscion.
So, we would have an aspect (conjunction) and the connection over antiscion.

Actually this guy I`ve been talking about has his Venus in the antiscion of my Mars.
Seems I tapped into my very own forcefield.
His Venus is in Capricorn and my Mars is in Sagittarius.

My longest crush (the gay musical actor) has his Neptune in Scorpio in the EXACT antiscion of my Moon in Aquarius(Neptune rules his ASC and Moon rules my 8th house).
I can tell you TALES about THAT forcefield. Nebulous, dreamy, unreal, surreal, all very Neptunian.

It`s intersting, when we actually coincidentally met, and that whole thing started to solve itself (FINALLY), Transit Neptune was exactly conjunct my Moon and in the antiscion of his Neptune (his Neptune also is in the antiscion of his SN, which conjuncts my Moon exactly, so I guess it was a real OLD tale).

He actually completed me or my Moon in a way. And that is really interesting now. To me at least.
My Aquarius Moon is so intellectual, and before him I have never neve never had an infatuation about actor or anyone else; I was just standing above those things. I detested jealousy and posessiveness. Passion? Not real, just a figment of imagination. NOt being able to let go of a person, to be dependent? Weakness of an overemotional soul. Yes, I was convinced you can switch off and on your emotions, if you just try hard enough. Besides who needs such a dirty emotional mess in their lives, when they can have airy thoughts? (Aquarius - Moon, what shall I say?)

And then, he came on the stage of my life, with his Neptune in Scorpio in my 11th house.
Neptune - Sure he was a GAY MUSICAL ACTOR. How can you describe NEptune better (he could have been a drug addict, too, actually I met those too in that period)?
He drew my Moon, my emotions into his forcefield; well, drew, pulled, hypnotized me into it, fits it rather. Actually when it all started I had a dream I have never forgotten. And in that dream I had been pulled into a painting. REally pulled into it. And at once point in the dream I was walking on water, but then I remembered that I can`t swim, and I started drowning and that man told me that I drowned because I didn`t have faith. And then he disappeared.
But back to reality his Neptune in SCORPIO led me to experience all that I had suppressed, because my intellectual Aquarius-mind didn`t want to acknowledge it. And I experienced it all, the passion, the dependency, the emotional ups and downs, the obsession, the jealousy, the pain, the ultimate loss, the need to let go and surrender, I think I learned devotion, that I am NOT on a higher point as a mere observant. I am deeply involved in it all.

Funny enough when I noticed him Transit Pluto was exactly square my Moon and roughly conjunct his Neptune and opposite his Moon (seems he has had an exhausting period, too).

I think that is how it worked. I had to integrate him, or rather the part he symbolized, the part of my soul I had pushed away, and now I had to reintegrate this part. IT is a step on the way to wholeness.
And we humans learn that by meeting people, on which we can project all that is hidden and suppressed; they make us aware of it, so we can reintegrate it and finally return home into our own soul.

JEsus, what is wrong with me today? I`m writing and haven`t got the single idea what is writing me.

HOwever, I think this is how antiscion work, on a deeply spiritual, yet very real and physical level.

There are people who would see the contrascion as an opposition, but I do not make a difference here.
The thing is some people put the mirror on 0° Capricorn - 0° Cancer.
Some people put the mirror on the axis of 0° Aries - 0° Libra.

And if you change the place of the mirror, suddenly the antiscion will transform itself to the contrascion.

Example:
Aries has the antiscion in Pisces if you put the mirror onto 0° Aries.
If you put the mirror onto 0° Capricorn, Aries will have its antiscion in Virgo.

So, I don`t make a difference here.

There COULD be a symbolic difference between the Aries- LIbra and Capricorn-Cancer-axis though. Like Ascions over Cancer - Cappy reflecting more something parental, while Aries-Libra are more equally relationship oriented.

But since you will always get the same point, either as antiscion or as contrascion, I would treat them the same."

For the calculation you just have to remember

Aries has its antiscion in Virgo and its contrascion in Pisces.

Taurus: ant. Leo, cont. Aquarius

Gemini: ant. Cancer, cont. Capricorn

Cancer: ant. Gemini, cont. Sagittarius

Leo: ant. Taurus, cont. Scorpio

Virgo: ant. Aries; cont. Libra

Libra: ant. Pisces, cont. Virgo

Scorpio: ant. Aquarius, cont Leo

Sagittarius: ant. Capricorn, cont. Cancer

Capricorn: ant. Sagittarius, cont. Gemini

Aquarius: ant. Scorpio, cont. Taurus

Pisces: ant. Libra, cont. Aries

You also have to remember a "speciality" in the calculation. You have to substract the degree of the longitude from 30° to arrive at the mirror-degree.

Example:

Sun: 26 Sagittarius

We know that Sagittarius has its antiscion in Capricorn, so the mirrordegree is definitely in Capricorn.

To find out the exact degree, you have to calculate:
30° - 26° = 4°

So it will be 4° Capricorn.

You can think of it like that.

You put a mirror on 00° Capricorn and see how much a planet is away from that mirror. 26° Sagittarius is 4 degree away from it.
So the mirror degree will be exactly equidistant from the mirror, just from the other side - the Capricorn side.
In this case it would be 4° Capricorn.

Let`s say you have Moon on 10° Aries.
Putting our mirror on 00° Capricorn, we count how many degrees there are from 00° Capricorn (or 270°) and 10° Aries (or 370°) - it`s exactly 100° from 00 Capricorn to 10 Aries.

So if we look for the mirrordegree, we now have to SUBSTRACT these 100° from 270° / 00° Capricorn and we will arrive at 170° Virgo or 20° Virgo.

Now we can handle it in an easier way, if we keep in mind:
The Antiscion of Aries is always in Virgo.
30° - 10° (because our planet is on 10°) are 20° - so we arrive at 20° Virgo.

I hope I haven`t confused you more than before.

EDIT: Oh yes, nearly forgot: the orb should be very tight, best exact. Personally I allow 2°, but not more. And of course exact mirror degrees will be very strong.

posted February 23, 2009 02:59 PM         

Ok, I am only a third of the way through what you said. At first I thought you were drawing a line across and then moving back 30 degrees so I took some time to try to sink that in and visualize it... but then I read further and saw that I was totally wrong! So, I'll have to read the rest of what you said a little later when I get more time and then try again to see if I can get it from the rest of what you wrote! Thank you!!!!!!!!!!

My moon is at 17 degree Cap... what is the axis for that?

posted February 23, 2009 03:02 PM           

I already feared I might have written too much and too confusing.

HOweever, the mirror-axis is always 00° Capricorn.

posted February 24, 2009 07:49 AM           

That was fantastic explanation.

I do believe in love Asteroids, but not in all. Who is going to study all Asteroids?

For me are important:
Juno
Eros
Amor
Karma (nice to know it)
Apollo

and
Pholus
because explanation of my Pholus and aspects was right.

posted February 24, 2009 08:24 AM           

everyone has to find out their own truth, and I can understand the wish to limit the asteroids.

Personally I have found several of them being accurate in very specific situations, BUT some of them seem to be valid for a broader spectre, and I agree, I would definitely count Karma, Eros or Juno here, as well as Psyche, even though Psyche is very subtle, that it sometimes might not become very obvious.

It also depends on the chart.
For example I have an exact Isis and Osiris-conjunction on my Venus - for me Isis and Osiris placements seem to be valid. But I know that for others they won`t be as valid.

So I guess, there are some basic asteroids which work for all of us, and some, who may work only in specific circumstances.

But as I said, everyone one has to make that decision on their own.

posted February 24, 2009 04:28 PM           

" haven't read any of your stories before so I didn't completely understand"
Well, even I don`t completely understand it myself. So I can`t really give a coherent story.

"I'd be interested in reading the story of when you met your crush."
We met actually twice. One time I knew we would meet (well, I didn`t believe it would really happen, but then it did), and the other time it was completely coincidentally and therefor a startling experience.

The second time happened 1,5 years ago. I was visiting a concert of another musical-singer, and I was a bit early, so I sat down and read a little bit while waiting, cause I was on my own (I was reading an astrology book btw), and then I suddenly felt that my skin started to tingle real bad.
So I looked up and he stood just a few metres away from me and looked at me. I was completely shocked!
Someone started talking to him then and I actually left the hall to get some fresh air again, and somehow calm down.
I mean, it was NOTHING, just a short moment, but it completely overwhelmed me.
WEll, when the concert started I noticed that he was sitting just two rows in front of me at the aisle, just on the other side of the aisle (I was sitting left, he was sitting right).
And no of course I didn`t talk to him (didn`t want to disturb him nor would I have known what to say), but I thought it was interesting, that during the concert he turned around several times (okay, twice) back towards me.
But this must have been a figment of imagination, probably there was someone sitting behind me, who was interesting.

Nothing happened, yet, I had the feeling that this was THE moment, when everything started to make sense. I don`t know from this moment on I just knew that everything was just as it was supposed to be and it was alright, and that feeling never left.

Oh one more thing: two months later I was in Berlin and coincidentally he was there, too, in a musical, and of course I couldn`t resist buying tickets.
And, well, that sounds a bit silly like I am a schoolgirl or something like that, but when they were taking their bows, they did so in normal lamplight, and he, well, he blinked at me.
I know that sounds like a silly thing to notice, but I really had the feeling like he recognized me. And probably that is all I ever wanted.

Well, all of this wouldn`T be that spectacular or special I guess, if I hadn`t dreamed of it some weeks before it happened.
I actually had dreamed that I was having a very serious talk with him, and he said some pretty smart things, and among all of them he told me to go to that concert and he also asked me when I had been feeling really free and happy, and I remembered that I was having that feeling when I was in Berlin for the first time so many years ago. And he said - in that dream- that then it probably was a good idea to go back there and start "solving" the past. That was weeks before I even knew he would take over a role there.
And that concert before the musical in Berlin - well just two weeks before I had a dream of that location and of him. But I didn`t know that it was that location, cause I had never been there before. But it was the same place.
Well, of all the strange things that happened to me, this may have been the strangest of all.

" what is the difference between anti and contra"
Well the antiscion is always opposing the contrascion, but personally I do not see any difference in interpreting them.

"... you said the axis is like a shadow and the points are like reflections... and they must be shaped by the energy of signs since your experience was Neptunian-ish."
Yes, I think planets, signs and houses play a role.

" And you said they are like puzzle pieces and complete us in some way, but don't all aspects when we learn from them?"
Yes, of course.
But what I wanted to say is that this kind of completeness is an unexpected one. You know, 17 Aquarius and 13 Scorpio don`t have that much in common according to the main aspects, but they do have that connection over antiscion.

" What distinction am I missing? You said he completed your heart some how..."
I think that was not because of this aspect alone.
My Moon also conjuncts his SN exactly, and his Karma / Venus and Pluto make a Grand trine with my Venus / Isis / Osiris.
And his tropical planets are strangely reflected by my Draconic placements (the chart of the subconscious, or soul or spiritual level).
his Sun and my Draco Sun are in Aries (conjunct)
his Mercury and my Draco Mercury in Aries
his Venus widely conjuncts my Draco Venus
his Mars and my Draco Mars in Pisces
his ASC and my Draco ASC in Pisces

Also, our personal planets fall into the complimentary houses in each other`s chart; for example: his Moon in my 6th, my Moon in his 12th

There are many little jigsaw pieces, and I wouldn`t dare to base an analysis on one alone. But the contrasion / antiscion is an important one in the whole puzzle.

posted February 25, 2009 06:06 AM           

Nothing here is too long. It is short. You didn't write how it went on with you and your soul mate (it is soul mate link).
You can explain so nice synastry, but I like love stories and synastry.
First the love story and then the chart!
Please!

posted February 25, 2009 10:38 AM           

it isn`t a love story, at least not in the conventional sense.

I was having a major crush on that man 19 years ago ,just by seeing a picture and hearing his voice.
And from then on things just developed a "rhythm" of its own.
I came more strongly in contact with spirituality and astrology. actually I guessed even his birthdate almost right (I was 3 days off though) WITHOUT actually knowing anything about astrology but about Sunsigns, and once I even dreamed of his ASC. Later it turned out to be his real ascendant (even though I wouldn`t have believed it before).

I don`t tknow, the crush of course wore off somewhen (at least most of it); but what remains is a deep appreciation of him and his work, admiration and even thankfulness (he became the catalyst for so many developments and experiences in my life).

And there seems to be some kind of "(spiritual) connection". It`s not something I deliberately want or even force, it just happens naturally.

I have often had "flashes" of insights about him; nothing spectacular, just little things. Like I was standing one day on a street and the thought hit me: "He´s back."
He had kinda "disappeared" from the face of earth for 3 years or so; during the time I had this crush, and just when I thought I had been over it, I had this flash. And I knew for a fact to which city he had moved. And Germany is not THAT small. lol
HOwever, turned out I was right. He did.

Or I would be sitting somewhere, and suddenly have that flash about a certain musical with a certain emotional vibration attached and I knew he would be taking over a role in this. Turned out he did just 2 weeks after my "flash".

We don`t even know each other, and yet I am having all these weird experiences and hunches and dreams about him. Almost like we`re kinda connected. Or at least as if I have a psychic awareness of him. I don`t know. It`s hard to explain.
It should feel weird to me, but actually it feels like the most natural thing in the world.
I just accept it as it is, that from time to time I just "know" something about him, that I can`t possibly know if I apply rational rules.

Maybe that Neptune-Moon- SN - connection plays a part. Who knows?

posted February 25, 2009 11:21 AM         

When you talked about him looking back twice and the feeling you had after that that everything was as it was supposed to be... I believed right then it was a soul mate connection for sure too. I loved reading the rest too and this is the perfect place for your story. I mean, I'm trying to study aspects that make people stick together in a marriage type situation long-term but the faith and beauty in connections that aren't physically/material world binding but are soul binding is just beautiful too.

Also, if there's anything else you can say about the axis (what it means other than a connection?), please add that as well because I couldn't find any information doing a google search. I still haven't done my "math homework" yet in figuring out my other points, but I will!

posted February 25, 2009 11:40 AM           

I also added some not so usual asteroids:

Moira: she weaves the fate of us mortals (it feels like a web)

Destinn: speaks for itself I guess

Erato: the muse of lyric and poetry, signifies inspiration (ERato is the one who inspires, the planet person gets inspired)

Sappho: even though Leeman relates this asteroid to instinctual sexual attraction, let`s n ot forget the wonderful poetry she wrote! I think it is also a symbol of passion that gets refined through art.

posted February 25, 2009 04:52 PM           

"When you talked about him looking back twice and the feeling you had after that that everything was as it was supposed to be... I believed right then it was a soul mate connection for sure too."
I`m relieved that YOU said it. I would have been afraid you`d think I am crazy, or worse, just like one of these teenies with their rose coloured glasses, who see in every passing fancy a true soulmate.

But, yes, it felt like this. Actually the moment he looked at me, I felt like an electric bolt was surging to me, and there was this instant thought: "He knows."
I have no idea what he knows, but something about that short moment really felt like an earthquake in my soul.

"t the faith and beauty in connections that aren't physically/material world binding but are soul binding is just beautiful too. "
Oh well there wasn`t faith always. Actually this strange connection was very painful to me for a long time. It is really just since that one moment, that I felt that everything fell into place, and it was good. Just like this. All of these years of doubting and yes losing my faith and feeling deep pain through all of this, after all of this, it just fell away from me. It was a very freeing, uplifting feeling actually. Almost like my soul started flying. lol

"Also, if there's anything else you can say about the axis (what it means other than a connection?)"
I would. But I still don´t know what it could mean exactly. All my ideas are in that thread I started on solstice points (in the old astro forum).

posted February 26, 2009 02:39 AM           

Thank you for sharing your story with us.

You and him have very strong Chiron connection.
What about that?
On your place I would make Regression to see, what this man meant to you in your Past life.

I don't know about your love life, but have feeling, that he is not married. Or is he?

Without Asteroids there is not much between you two or do I see wrong?

posted February 26, 2009 02:58 AM           

no he isn´t married. He`s gay.
He was being engaged once, though, I think.

But as I said this is not a "conventional love story", just an intresting connection I feel.

However, applying traditional aspects you may be right, but I haven`t found traditional synastry to be right in all cases anyway.

In our cases we have:
His Sun exactly sextile my Moon, square my Saturn and conjunct my Chiron
his Mercury on my IC, opposing my Pluto, square my Venus, trine my Mars / Neptune /NN / ASC
his Venus trine my Venus and opposite my Uranus
His Mars trine my Saturn
his Saturn sextile my Neptune / NN / ASC and trine my Pluto
his Uranus trine my sun
his Pluto trine my Venus and square my Mars / NN / ASC
his Chiron conjunct my Jupiter (and my nameasteroid in his chart. lol), sextiles my Venus and square Mars / neptune / NN / ASC
his SN conjunct my Moon

What I find very interesting is the fact, that the ruler of his DSC and IC, Mercury, falls onto my own IC.

The house-ruler aspects are interesting in any case, there is also:
the ruler of his 8th house square my NN
the ruler of my 8th house conjunct his SN

Personally I think this is just "stinking" of Karma. lol