posted February 20, 2009 11:46 AM           

my natal:

[LILITH on 6.4 Virgo conjuncts HEKATE on 8 Virgo]
- trines VENUS on 6 Capricorn
- trines LUCIFER on 6.5 Taurus
- squares ASC on 7 Sagittarius

LUCIFER on 6.5 Taurus
- trines VENUS on 6 Capricorn
- quinkunx ASC on 7 Sagittarius

KAALI on 12.5 Gemini
- conjuncts SN on 10.1 Gemini
- conjuncts KARMA on 16 Gemini (very wide I know)

ASC on 7 Sagittarius conjunct TRUE NODE on 10.1 Sagittarius conjunct ANTARES on 9.5 Sagittarius

Jude`s natal:

[LILITH on 17.2 Capricorn conjuncts TRUE NODE on 16.5 Capricorn]
- quinkunx SATURN on 15.3 Gemini
- squares HEKATE on 17.5 Aries

HEKATE on 17.5 Aries
- squares TRUE NODE On 16.5 Capricorn
- trines KARMA on 20 Sagittarius

LUCIFER on 8.2 Sagittarius
- trines DNA on 8.5 Aries
- conjuncts ASC on 9.1 Sagittarius

KAALI on 8.4 Capricorn
- conjuncts SUN on 7.4 Capricorn

- ASC on 9.1 Sagittarius conjunct LUCIFER on 8.2 Sagittarius conjunct ANTARES on 9.5 Sagittarius

And int he synastry there are also some interesting connections:

° [his LILITH on 17.2 Capricorn conjunct his TRUE NODE On 16.5 Capricorn] opposes my SATURN on 16.5 CAncer

° [his HEKATE on 17.5 Aries conjunct my CHIRON on 20 ARies]
- sextile my MOON on 17 Aquarius
- squares my SATURN on 16.9 Cancer
- sextile my KARMA on 16 Gemini
- opposes my DNA on 20.2 Libra

° [His LUCIFER on 8.2 Sagittarius conjunct his ASC on 9.1 Sagittarius conjunct my TRUE Node on 10.1 SAgittarius conjunct my ASC on 7 Sagittarius]
- sextile my PLUTO on 9 Libra
- squares my [LILITH on 6.4 Virgo conjunct HEKATE on 8. Virgo]
- quinkunx my LUCIFER on 6.5 Taurus

° [his KAALI on 8.4 Capricorn conjunct his SUN on 7.4 Capricorn conjunct my VENUS on 6 Capricorn]
- square my PLUTO on 9 Libra
- trine my [LILITH on 6.4 Virgo conjunct HEKATE on 8 Virgo]
- trine my LUCIFER on 6.5 Taurus

° [my LILITH on 6.4 Virgo conjunct HEKATE on 8 Virgo]
- square his ASC on 9.1 Sagittarius
- quinkunx his DNA on 8.5 Aries

° my KAALI on 12.5 Gemini
- opposes his VENUS on 13 Sagittarius
- conjuncts his SATURN on 15.3 Gemini
- conjuncts his DSC on 9.1 Gemini

posted February 20, 2009 11:19 PM           

**** Warning - extremely 'out-there' and
intuitive,tentative observations and data to follow- 100% not backed up by current science, or most people's idea of 'common sense'****

You've said in the other thread:

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oh btw Jude hasn`t Kaali conjunct Venus, but Kaali exactly conjunct Sun and exactly square DNA, does that count, too?

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I have been looking at royal family charts, and am now leaning more towards thinking that it indeed does count, both Elizabeth the 2nd and Prince William have sun/KAALI conjunctions (I'm still working through them, so no totally conclusive evidence yet).

I'm beginning to think there are two things going on here, one is the KAALI/SIVA/etc Reptilian bloodline thing, and the other is what the HEKATE/LUCIFER and the crew refer to.

Where it gets interesting is the fact that these two seem to overlap, as if the Reptilian Bloodline/Genetics need the activation/resolution by becoming activated through geteical merging with individuals with active LUCIFER/HEKATE/LILITH in their charts.

This pops up again and again. The charts of my initial families of enquiery are full of this, and thats why I first thought that that they were linked to the KAALI/Venus/PLuto /Siva expression. The charts of the British royal family- specifically the Windsors reflect this also.

posted February 20, 2009 11:20 PM           

If we are to presume that the energies of Lucifer/Hekate/lilith, when they appear well integrated in a native's chart, and especially are linked with the Nodes,KARMA and DNA may point us in the direction of
individuals that are:

a) Possible carriers of genetic/etheric
(working on a few levels at the same time) predispositions to the occult, and in particular the type that actively works/engages such energies.

b) If a has weight, and indeed that is the case, then wouldn't it make sense for the reptilian DNA to manifest/activate easier
through the union of a strongly reptilian individual with another that is predisposed to be more sensitive and open to the etheric/occult world?
[IQ- from my understanding it is the mammalian DNA that may be the source of the psychic leanings/gifts, would you agree, or am I wrong?]

We all carry some percentage of Reptilian DNA, but not in equal amounts, so maybe this would potentially explain the strong correlation between the two sets of asteroid groups that seems to be present in these charts? I know the link between the occult world and practices,(especially in mystery traditions) and the Reptilian angle are strong. This seems to correlate that.

Links to DNA from KAALI seem to be a VERY strong indication.

IN regards to this post about your placements:

I don't know what your world view is like, nor what your own moral/spiritual/etc compass is, but with these asteroids I have found that they tend to point to individuals who exhibit and have active access to the types of energies that are of the occult nature.

I have to confess to being very new to this, and likely to get this wrong, as I am still learning about these asteroids -IQ would be able to summarize their influences far better than I, but here goes:

Earth placements dominant, may point to interest in earth-based spirituality.

Lucifer quincunx ASC: makes you come across as unconformist, and unlikely to tread a common path. In my experience it is the closest to having a uranus aspect to your Asc. volatile energy,willfulness, seeker of illumination through old and well guarded knowledge.

posted February 20, 2009 11:22 PM           

KAALI/SN/karma: I would read as involvement with Tantric practices in the past, and having subsequent karmic imprints stemming form that - you don't do Tantric spiritual practices for just one lifetime, as they say .

With all these placements, I would wager you were most definitely involved with energies and spiritual practices that have Reptilian/Lemurian roots.

Have a look at your composites -
in my experience, most of my significant relationships, and thats including family ones, have always had a prominent Lucifer(usually angular + making many aspects )It seems to bring a certain type of energy to your relationships. they are by no means orthodox,unbending wills and power struggles.
I should point out the individuals with whom the composites are drawn up with all also have active Lucifer/Lilith/Hekate in their charts.

Jude:
May have genetic predisposition to certain types of occult study, or have family members that are of the Old Faith (Lucifer/DNA ).

posted February 20, 2009 11:22 PM           

the Lilith/Node aspect backs up the above, with the saturn quincunx again stating difficulties in finding that path which once was trod, but it is tied to karma, he possibly restricts or doesn't allow himself to engage in that part of his spiritual self.

KAAALI/Sun =still researching but likely a strong Kundalini,(and by extention reptilian) energy present at core of who he is, so should get back to studying Tantric spirituality with you

In synastry you seem to highlight these energies in each other,which could lead to intense,lustful hotness, but could also be used for spiritual illumination.
To me, points to Tantra.

*Waits for IQ to 'constructively' critique her juvenile attempt at interpreting things she doesn't yet fully understand *

posted February 21, 2009 06:02 AM           

But so far it is beyond fascinating and deeply resounding within me.
Thank you.

EDIT:
Just one thing, had a short look at the composite and Davison.

In the composite Hekate and Saturn are both on the SN.

In the Davison
Lucifer conjuncts Karma (on my natal Moon and his natal Draco Juno!)

posted February 21, 2009 11:43 AM           

"If a has weight, and indeed that is the case, then wouldn't it make sense for the reptilian DNA to manifest/activate easier
through the union of a strongly reptilian individual with another that is predisposed to be more sensitive and open to the etheric/occult world? "
Does that mean that if someone with strong REptilian DNA and someone with those other asteroids would have a child, this child would be able to have direct access to the Reptilian DNA and strive to make use of it?

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Earth placements dominant, may point to interest in earth-based spirituality."
Can you give me an example for earth based spirituality?

"Lucifer quincunx ASC: makes you come across as unconformist, and unlikely to tread a common path."
I think you are right.

"Lucifer/venus/Lilith: love of all things dark and forbidden (forbidden in the sense that society deems them 'inappropriate'),Creative and sexual energy with dark undertones."
Yes, definitely. I am thinking of my fascination with the symbol of "vampires" and how strongly they featured in my dreams for a long time, until I understood what they represented to me.

"*No lollipops and pink hearts for you! *"
LOL

But I think you are right. Lollipops and pink hearts somehow don`t satisfy me.
It just has to touch me deep in the core of my soul, and I am definitely seeking out situations / feelings that are deep, probing, intense, archetypical and It hink carthartic.
Yes, at some times it feels as if I have to walk through the fire (emotionally), letting it burn out everything that is unreal, untrue or just not needed in my life anymore (and believe me what I WANT and what I NEED are sometimes very different things).

I also have PHOINIX exactly conjunct my Chrion and exactly opposing DNA and exactly square Sun-Moon-mp and Eros and Vertex, so maybe that is also indicating that need for transformation.

posted February 21, 2009 11:48 AM           

"but is not easily remembered in this one, return to old ways might prove a challenge, but is tied into the progress of the soul onwards(Hekate/Nodes)."
Interestingly he has a lot of exact conjunctions to his NN.
Jupiter (his chartruler)
Destinn
Lilith
Shakespeare

are all there,e xactly conjunct

Maybe his creativity and art helps him to get in contact with this side of himself?

"In synastry you seem to highlight these energies in each other,which could lead to intense,lustful hotness, but could also be used for spiritual illumination.
To me, points to Tantra."
We also have a near to exact aspect in the Composite and in Davisonb etween Kaali and Siva (square and opposition).
And in the composite: draco Siva conjuncts Kaali and Draco Kaali conjuncts Siva.

Still I have been fighting this "tantra hunch", since I have seen him on screen 4 years ago.
But there`s definitely "something" there that I can sense.

posted February 23, 2009 07:23 AM           

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Does "linked" mean any kind of aspect, or only conjunction?

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Does that mean that if someone with strong REptilian DNA and someone with those other asteroids would have a child, this child would be able to have direct access to the Reptilian DNA and strive to make use of it?

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I think such people would tend to be drawn together, and if they had a child together, then chances are that yes, this child could possibly manifest the latent genetic material, and hopefully use them for the BETTER.

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Can you give me an example for earth based spirituality?

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What would these karmic imprints be?

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Maybe you two 'worked together' back in the days?
The world is surely a strange place - from his Aspects this man does seem to have more going on on the inside then even maybe he is himself aware of.

posted February 23, 2009 07:58 AM           

"Any spiritual practice that seeks the reflection of the divine/the divine within nature,"
It`s interesting. I never had a thing for gardening or farming, actually I always avoided it, BUT I definitely can feel the divinity in the nature and from times to time I feel like I have to feel and touch earth. Physically I mean. really grabbing a bit of earth to feel it. Itīs strange, but it almost feels like it keeps me grounded. lol

"Seidr""
What is that?

"Maybe you two 'worked together' back in the days?"
Well, I wouldnīt exclude the possibility. Actually I think it`s possible and might be a reason for that feeling of "sticking like glue".

"The world is surely a strange place - from his Aspects this man does seem to have more going on on the inside then even maybe he is himself aware of."
Yes, but I wonder how much he is aware.
I mean why did he feel like visiting India a year ago?
And as far as I read, when he married, he was "attracted to her otherworldly mystical air".
And some other little minor things, that imply that he may not be really aware, but has an "idea". lol

"Keep paying attention to your dreams - as I am sure you already are.
I think you have the potential to dream true, and most likely do ."
*gulps* Interesting that you say that, as I have had two unsettling dreams in the last two nights. DReaming of men I didnīt want to dream of.
First dream was of a musical singer I had been dreaming of quite often, but decided to "deprogram" myself of him and chose to not see him again in the near future, and thought I had finally closed this chapter.
And then I did that soulmate and forgiveness meditation, and he was the first one I dreamed about after that.
Actually there didn`t happen much, but he was looking at me and said with his eyes very clearly: "This is not over yet. We`re n ot finished."

The second dream was about Heath Ledger.
I met him in that hotel / appartment complexs. Well, I msut add that I sometimes have dreamed of decesased people and it always happened in some sort of appartment / hotel-complex or an empty school.
However, I didnīt want to dream of him either. Did not. Did not.

I guess I should check Kaali and Siva and Anubis and their transits to my placements. Must be something up there.

EDIT:
Intersting tidbits:
Progressed Moon conjuncts progressed Lucifer pretty close to my natal Lucifer

Transiting Hekate conjuncts Mars in 12th house and will is only 2° from ASC away, and after that will transit my True Node, Atlantis and so on.

Transit Somnium has just left a conjunction to my Sun and Mercury.

Transit Anubis is exactly conjunct my Antivertex and Sun-Moon-mp and will conjunct its own natal position in March.

Transit Siva is approaching a conjunction ot Lucifer.

Transit Kaali sextiles Sun and Mercury, conjuncts Union and Adonis and opposes my Draco Venus exactly

Transit Pluto is only 3° away from my Venus.

posted February 25, 2009 02:07 AM           

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So, you think, if someone had strong Kaali-Venus-DNA for instance and the other one had strong Hekate-Moon-Lilith-Venus-Lucifer there would be a potential attraction?

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DD all those transits going on for you - I bet it has certainly activated and brought fourth all the latent energies present in your chart that are more subversive, adn darker in nature then the everyday-reality-warriors (sun,moon,merc,etc).

Be open and pay attention to strong dreams which may surface and bring with them things from the deep and dark past, maybe even unresolved or hard to face, but very powerful energies from past lives.

Seidr/Seidhr is a Shamanic spiritual path that was practiced by the Germanic people in Germanic cultures way back when

posted February 25, 2009 03:05 AM           

"e open and pay attention to strong dreams which may surface and bring with them things from the deep and dark past, maybe even unresolved or hard to face, but very powerful energies from past lives."
Yes, I am, but interestingly it has brought me back to where I thought I had closed a chapter of my life. Strange.

(Funny though,t he man that is tied to this chapter, has Sun square Kaali and I think kaali may be widely quinkunx his DNA; and hekate in pisces exactly trines DNA in Scorpio;
EDIT: oops, i was mistaken, his Hekate is trine DNA with about 3°, but exactly semisextile Kaali, and itnerestingly falls on the same degree as my family name in my chart)