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Topic: Want To Hear Something Rich???
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Ann7 unregistered
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posted March 23, 2009 04:34 PM
I think we've all felt the Venus RX in one form or another... I know that today, I definitely did. My best friend of 23 years called me and told me that she was going through a lot and needed some space. No problem- I told her that totally underdstood and to please call me when she is ready (being a scorp, I understand the need for personal space). She stressed that she didn't want me to think that she was blowing me off and to hurt my feelings. I told her that it doesn't hurt me but that I was concerned if I had done anything to upset her (I wanted to make sure seeing as her sudden need to be left alone was very un-like her). She hesitated and then told me that she did have an issue with me that had been building for 2 years and that it revolved around my passion for ...OF ALL THINGS... astrology. (WTF???) She is a Christian- I am a "To each their own" person. Although I do not subscribe to the Christian philosophy, I have never condemed her or turned my back on her because of it yet she feels the need to walk away from me because "the bible" says that astrology is bad- Dark forces and all of that other crap. I am SO ANGRY!!! 23 years and it leads to -this-. I am venting here because #1) I'm pretty sure you all can relate to me and #2) I will not run to our mutual friends and talk smack about her, regardless of how stupid I think she is being. On the flip side, I feel as though she lost out... I was a great friend to her. This hurts. Sorry, just needed to vent. IP: Logged |
Nyah Knowflake Posts: 17 From: Europe Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 23, 2009 04:50 PM
LOL are you serious?? 23 years and you get THAT?? talk about being narrow-minded!!!IP: Logged |
Ann7 unregistered
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posted March 23, 2009 05:00 PM
Yup, 23 years, since I was 17. Nice, huh. Sad part is that I know I have a better heart and more morals than any fellow Christian she will ever meet. Life likes to hand you zingers... I'm sure i'm supposed to learn something from all of this.IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 420 From: aspideronmars Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 23, 2009 05:02 PM
It's her own problem... don't look back and just count yourself blessed that you never had to depend on her!IP: Logged |
GemGemGem Knowflake Posts: 39 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 23, 2009 05:07 PM
I am a Christian, but I also believe in Astrology. I've had lots of experiences with Christians that believe it's their way, or the HELL-way! I had someone tell me I'm going to hell before. I just shrug it off, because it takes more than that to shake my belief system. Obviously you've shaken hers in some way, and that is what she's reacting to. Could it be she saw a little truth to all your astrology? IP: Logged |
sunshine_lion unregistered
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posted March 23, 2009 05:16 PM
that is too bad ann7. so many years, i am sure you have had tifts before, hopefully she will think about this and reconsider her position. relationships are hard sometimes. wish you the best.IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 247 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted March 23, 2009 06:48 PM
Ann, that does suck, I am sorry. Pretty weird and random. 23 years is a long time to be friends with someone. It sounds like astrology was a catalyst for something else. Her problem isn't with you; it's with herself. It's not as though you went out and shoved a bunch of asteroids down her throat (erm, I'm assuming you didn't ), so I'm betting it's not the astrology, it's maybe her own insecurity about her relationship with God. Anyway. Also reminds me of something I heard from Alan Watts recently, about how it's weird people in various religions sometimes seem hell-bent on saving us, but when it comes down to it, if they really think we are damned or need saving, they want nothing to do with us! At any rate, I am sorry IP: Logged |
amowls Knowflake Posts: 4 From: Falls Church, VA, USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 23, 2009 08:14 PM
UhhhTell her that the three wise men were Magi... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magi#MatthewMagi Anyway, there is plenty of room for God in astrology. Many people who practice astrology also call themselves Christian. I don't know what to say, really. It kind of offends my sensibilities. It's not Christianity that's the problem, it's narrow minded judgmental people who want to feel self righteous about something stupid that's the problem. Ask her if she wears poly-blend or if she eats cheeseburgers, both things are also against the bible. IP: Logged |
Dulce Luna Knowflake Posts: 7 From: The Asylum, NC Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 23, 2009 08:19 PM
Are you serious? After 23 f--ing years, and that? Its her loss.....I'm Christian (Catholic) as well and I've never recieved any sh#t from my family for delving into astrology, in fact they've ahown a healthy curiousity. However, I realize that Mozambican Christians are different from Christians in say.... Bible Belt, America. LOL I have come across a few interesting 'Christians' from around here with alot to say (even though I never asked them for their opinion) and its interesting to say the least. IP: Logged |
cheshirekat unregistered
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posted March 23, 2009 08:30 PM
Wait God made the universe, Astrology is based on the universe, there is actually pinpoint evidence of Astrology and Numerology in the bible, they are both old practices...XD lol that would have made her confused.IP: Logged |
Ann7 unregistered
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posted March 23, 2009 08:31 PM
I talked to my oldest daughter about it (still wanting to refrain from bringing it up in front of mutual friends) She thinks it's a bogus excuse and that my friend is withdrawing because I am in a happy place (planning to get married) and my friend has not had such good luck with men, especialy recently. I really hope that's not the case. i would hate to think that someone is jealous and picking at lame excuses to withdraw. Then again, if she is serious, I don't want to close my ears to what she is saying. I will never agree with her nor will I change. Astrology is a science and a hobby. It's a great way to understand a person and has helped me many times be patient with people (because I read their chart) as opposed to losing my $!. There are no "dark forces" and it isn't "witch craft" (My friends words). The part that sucks the most is that -I am in a happy place- I very much wanted her to be a part of it. Now, not so much. Thank you for all of your understanding. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 247 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted March 23, 2009 08:58 PM
Yes, I don't think the astrology is the real reason personally...and you're probably right that it's got to do with your happiness. I've lost some really close longtime friends when I was entering a good period in my life. I don't know if it's jealousy or maybe just a feeling of a widening gap to where perhaps someone can't understand the happy place you're in, or can't relate to it somehow
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Ann7 unregistered
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posted March 23, 2009 09:21 PM
VirgoMask, what part of Fla are you in? I'm in central IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 247 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted March 23, 2009 09:55 PM
I'm in Jupiter, so I guess that's southeast Are you like in the Tampa area, or more like Gainesville? You can tell me to mind my own business if you don't want to say and I won't mind IP: Logged |
Got Gemini? Knowflake Posts: 2 From: Mercury Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 23, 2009 10:10 PM
Tell her that Enoch was well versed in Astronomy and ASTROLOGY.------------------ Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚ Gemini Sun 24˚ Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house) Gemini Mercury 25˚ Cancer Venus 29˚ (Mutual reception with Moon) And yes, i'm a guy! IP: Logged |
mblover Knowflake Posts: 41 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 23, 2009 10:47 PM
I talked to my oldest daughter about it (still wanting to refrain from bringing it up in front of mutual friends) She thinks it's a bogus excuse and that my friend is withdrawing because I am in a happy place (planning to get married) and my friend has not had such good luck with men, especialy recently. I really hope that's not the case. i would hate to think that someone is jealous and picking at lame excuses to withdraw. Then again, if she is serious, I don't want to close my ears to what she is saying. I will never agree with her nor will I change. ============= Your daughters view makes so much more sense. BUT, I do not see that it is as a lame execute. She has in fact found a very good way to break the ties permanently because she knows you will never leave astrology. So, in a way, she is wanting to tell you that we've got separate paths in life going forward. You are going to be married and will have your own life. I also don't see this is a Jealousy.. but rather a need to Withdraw and find some time with one's own soul when new transitions occur in life. Obviously, the woman has Earthy and Watery influences in her chart. IP: Logged |
Ann7 unregistered
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posted March 23, 2009 10:59 PM
She has some water but she is mostly air and fire. gem/ cancer cusp sun, sag moon - cancer/ merc - leo/ venus- libra/ mars. I don't know her rising.VirgoMask, you are not being nosey I'm in Orlando. IP: Logged |
Astra Knowflake Posts: 11 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 23, 2009 11:27 PM
I'm a Christian, and I,too, believe in astrology. I don't think astrology can be used to predict the future (only God knows the future as I believe). Astrology just describes our personality and points out our strengths and weaknesses so we'll know how to improve our behavior and relate better to others. It's also helped me become more understanding of others. As long as you don't use astrology to try to predict the future, then I don't see how it conflicts with Christianity. I'm so sorry you have to deal with this. Just give her time and later on point out that Christians are supposed to love ALL people. She shouldn't be judging you. Only God is allowed to judge. I guarantee you there are things she believes or has done that are not very Christian. A lot of Christians think that just because someone doesn't follow the Bible exactly, then they should be despised. This is simply ignorance on their part. As Christians you are supposed to love everyone or at the very least treat them with kindness. For example, I do believe homosexuality is a sin. HOWEVER, this does not stop me from being friends with many homosexuals. They're just as intelligent, kind and loyal as my straight friends. We all do sinful things. It doesn't necessarily make us evil; it just makes us human. IP: Logged |
Ann7 unregistered
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posted March 23, 2009 11:40 PM
I agree with a lot of what you're saying, Astra. And, yes, she has done some very un-christian things. That's the part that ****** me off the most. If you're going to preach it then you should practice it. Regarding the comment from mblover- No, I will not change for her, not regarding this. She has known me long enough, knows that I have her back, knows that I am a good person. Now, all of a sudden I'm practicing "witch craft" aka astrology? PLEASE! Why would you throw away a friendship over something so dumb? I disagree with your response about different life paths. In my eyes, she made a huge mistake. (Then again, that's the scorp coming out.) IP: Logged |
Geocosmic Valentine Knowflake Posts: 0 From: New York, NY Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 23, 2009 11:57 PM
Hi Ann7,I think you're daughter is right. You and I are the same age and I'd find it incredibly strange that a friend I'd known since high school would all of a sudden need to have space because of astrology. One thing I have learned through my astrology practice and therapy is that people you never even considered can be jealous of you. Your own parents can be jealous of you. Jealousy directed toward you can be abusive. Anyway, I believe your daughter that this woman can't bring herself to say that she's jealous of you, it's a whole lot easier to act like God and judge you for astrology. Insinuation is an incredibly powerful tool, it forces you to defend yourself and there's no way that you can win. This is what she has done to you. My suggestion is to give her the space she needs, no matter what her excuse is. She probably needs to work through a bunch of feelings. She may not have even identified her feelings as "envy" or "jealousy". How often have we all seen on TV shows where one character tells another, "My goodness. Your jealous." And the jealous character replies, "Jealous?! You're crazy. How could you call me jealous!!" It's just not something that people admit to when they are first accused of it. We deny and stay in denial about it as long as we can stand it. I have a feeling that she may be back after Venus retrograde is over. After a 17 year friendship, it's not so easy to walk away. I hope I'm right and I hope that you can both work this out together. The best of luck to you and Congratulations on your engagement. IP: Logged |
Ann7 unregistered
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posted March 24, 2009 12:10 AM
Thank you for the well wishes I'd like to work it out as well (even though right now I'm angry, upset and in shock). I hope it's Venus Rx and that it will all blow over. IP: Logged |
amowls Knowflake Posts: 4 From: Falls Church, VA, USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 24, 2009 01:18 AM
Good points about the jealousy thing. My two roommates always bicker with one another because one is always nasty to the other for no reason and will just randomly stop talking to her. The one that starts the nastiness isn't doing well in school and is always worried about money and is having problems with her S/O, while the other one is almost done with grad school, makes good money at a job she loves and has a good relationship with her boyfriend. They talked the other day and the nasty roommate said one of the main reasons she gets mad at the other is because she's "boastful" as in she'll ask her how her day was and she'll say "GREAT :]" I don't see how that's boastful and it reeks of jealousy. Not only that but nasty roommate used to try to undermine the good one with boys. Like the good one would hook up with one of our mutual friends and the nasty one will talk **** about her and get FURIOUS about it saying stuff like "she's not good enough for him, he can do so much better, i wish she wouldnt lower herself and be a s*lut blah blah blah" when the nasty one would go around trying to kiss him herself!Jealousy in friendships is really poisonous. IP: Logged |
koiflower Knowflake Posts: 72 From: Australia Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 24, 2009 06:47 AM
Jesus was born during a poignant astrological/astronomical time - so poignant, the Bible mentions it....!!!!IP: Logged |