posted March 24, 2009 11:10 PM           

[edited to add: also, people born more than two weeks past due]

Do you have planets in the 12th house, or is the ruler of the 12th afflicted?

posted March 24, 2009 11:25 PM         

I wasn't born premature but I'd like to refer you to the charts of the Octuplets, they have 2 planets in the 12th that have hard aspects to Saturn by opposition.

BABY A: born 1;26/09 at 10:43 AM, Los Angeles, CA.

The other 7 babies born within 5 minutes also have the Venus-Uranus conjunction opposite Saturn.

posted March 25, 2009 04:55 AM           

I have Mars, N.N and Jupiter in the my 12H.
Pisces is the sign on the 12th House cusp.

10' Aries(chart ruler)
Mars conjunct N.N
Mars sextile Mercury
Mars inconjunct Moon/Pluto
Mars widely trine Venus/Saturn
Mars sextile Chiron
Mars square MC

14' Aries
N.N Quintile Sun
N.N trine Venus/Saturn
N.N square MC

21'Pisces
Jupiter widely square Venus/Saturn/Uranus
Jupiter square Chiron
Jupiter Quintile MC

posted March 25, 2009 08:22 AM         

Planetary positionsplanet sign degree motion
Sun Leo 9°09'51 in house 9 direct
Moon Pisces 14°56'49 in house 4 direct
Mercury Cancer 24°29'01 in house 8 direct
Venus Virgo 2°26'56 in house 9 retrograde
Mars Taurus 26°25'01 in house 7 direct
Jupiter Sagittarius 9°58'23 in house 1 stationary (D)
Saturn Leo 25°59'02 in house 9 direct
Uranus Pisces 18°06'41 in house 4 retrograde
Neptune Aquarius 20°57'22 in house 3 retrograde
Pluto Sagittarius 26°38'16 in house 2 retrograde
True Node Pisces 7°13'07 in house 4 direct

House positions (Placidus)Ascendant Scorpio 22°43'27
2nd House Sagittarius 23°19'42
3rd House Capricorn 29°51'56
Imum Coeli Pisces 7°10'18
5th House Aries 8°30'07
6th House Taurus 2°57'23
Descendant Taurus 22°43'27
8th House Gemini 23°19'42
9th House Cancer 29°51'56
Medium Coeli Virgo 7°10'18
11th House Libra 8°30'07
12th House Scorpio 2°57'23

Major aspectsSun Trine Jupiter 0°49
Moon Square Jupiter 4°58
Moon Conjunction Uranus 3°10
Moon Trine Ascendant 7°47
Moon Opposition Medium Coeli 7°47
Mercury Sextile Mars 1°56
Mercury Quincunx Pluto 2°09
Mercury Trine Ascendant 1°46
Venus Trine Pluto 5°49
Venus Conjunction Medium Coeli 4°43
Mars Square Saturn 0°26
Mars Square Neptune 5°28
Mars Quincunx Pluto 0°13
Mars Opposition Ascendant 3°42
Jupiter Square Medium Coeli 2°48
Saturn Opposition Neptune 5°02
Saturn Trine Pluto 0°39
Saturn Square Ascendant 3°16
Uranus Trine Ascendant 4°37
Neptune Sextile Pluto 5°41
Neptune Square Ascendant 1°46

posted March 25, 2009 09:52 AM           

I have merc in my 12th - and my 12th is ruled by Mercury.

Mercury is cj my ASc at 0 Libra degree.

sextiles my Jup and Uranus(place in 3rd)

Trines kiron and only receives hard aspect of NEPPTUNE.

posted March 25, 2009 10:10 AM           

I was going to suggest early and late births,
but I figured late births are, at least, fully developed.
Perhaps, just as I suspect early births dont get enough of the womb,
late births may get too much, and, in both instances,
the result may be a greater longing for return to the womb;
which I tend to see as an operation of the 12th house.

So far, it sounds like,
everyone who was born early or late
has at least one planet in the 12th, --
with the exception of Lana's friend's son,
whose 12th is ruled by a very afflicted Pluto.

I would also suggest people try using Whole Sign Houses,
and see if that might yeild some additional insights.

I was born a month and a half early.
Using Placidus, my 12th house is empty,
but the ruler is afflicted six times over.
According to the Whole Sign House system,
I have three planets in the 12th house.
And this is the system which I have found
to be most accurate, in a variety of instances.

posted March 25, 2009 06:58 PM         

I will have to dig out his details. I used to have his chart, don't think he has 12th house planets.

My husband has a strong 12th house. 2 weeks early, no that does not count as premature, 2 weeks either way is counted as full term, normal.

One of those planets is Pluto, Rising, associated with C-Sections. He was sure he was a C-Section but his mother told me that wasn't true. The birth was fine but she nearly died afterwards from complications and was never able to have any more children.

We have a child together with strong 12th house. Also born 2 weeks before his due date, good job, he was huge. Very quick birth, no problems.

posted March 26, 2009 03:56 PM         

I have no regular planets in 12th house

but

I do have 2 dwarf planets in the 12th house. Pluto and Ceres are considered dwarf planets now too.

Makemake in 16'20 Leo in 12th conjunct AntiVertex in 14'58 Leo in 11th and Ceres in 13'57 Leo in 11th,square Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio in 3rd,and sextile Uranus in 15'17 Libra in 2nd

Haumea in 11'17 Virgo in 12th conjunct Ascendant in 13'27 Virgo,square Midheaven in 11'14 Gemini,and quincunx North Lunar Node in 10'29 Aquarius.

I believe that if Pluto is counted, then its fellow kuiper dwarf planets, Eris,Makemake,Haumea and asteroid dwarf planet Ceres should be counted too.

posted March 26, 2009 04:12 PM           

squares sun 1°27s
opposite mars -5°25a
sextile saturn -5°35a
sextile neptune -3°57a

posted March 26, 2009 04:13 PM         

Yep. Pluto was demoted to minor planet in Aug 24, 2006. It was classified with Eris and Ceres as dwarf planets. Then later on, Makemake and Haumea were classified as dwarf planets.

here is a list of dwarf planet candidates: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dwarf_planet_candidates

The astronomers created a new class of kuiper dwarf called Plutoids with Pluto as the prototype. As of 2009, Pluto, Eris, Haumea, and Makemake are the only objects classified as plutoids
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutoid

the following is from astronomer, Dr. Michael Brown

So how many dwarf planets are there? Ceres is still the only asteroid that is known to be round. After that it gets complicated. All of the rest of the new dwarf planets are in the distant region of the Kuiper belt, where we can't actually see them well enough to know for sure if they are round or not.

While we can't see most of the objects in the Kuiper belt well enough to determine whether they are round or not, we can estimate how big an object has to be before it becomes round and therefore how many objects in the Kuiper belt are likely round. In the asteroid belt Ceres, with a diameter of 900 km, is the only object large enough to be round, so somewhere around 900 km is a good cutoff for rocky bodies like asteroids. Kuiper belt objects have a lot of ice in their interiors, though. Ice is not as hard as rock, so it less easily withstands the force of gravity, and it takes less force to make an ice ball round. The best estimate for how big an icy body needs to be to become round comes from looking at icy satellites of the giant planets. The smallest body that is generally round is Saturn's satellite Mimas, which has a diameter of about 400 km. Several satellites which have diameters around 200 km are not round. So somewhere between 200 and 400 km an icy body becomes round. Objects with more ice will become round at smaller sizes while those with less rock might be bigger. We will take 400 km as a reasonable lower limit and assume that anything larger than 400 km in the Kuiper belt is round, and thus a dwarf planet.

How many objects larger than 400 km are there in the Kuiper belt? We can't answer this question precisely, because we don't know the sizes of more than a handful of Kuiper belt objects (for an explanation why, see the discussion on the size of Eris), but, again, we can make a reasonable guess. If we assume that the typical small Kuiper belt object reflects 10% of the sunlight that hits its surface we know how bright a 400 km object would be in the Kuiper belt. As of late August 2006, 44 objects this size or larger in the Kuiper belt (including, of course, Eris and Pluto), and one (Sedna) in the region beyond the Kuiper belt. In addition our large ongoing Palomar survey has detected approximately 30 more objects of this size which are currently undergoing detailed study.

We have not yet completed our survey of the Kuiper belt. Our best estimate is that a complete survey of the Kuiper belt would double this number.
For now, the number of known objects in the solar system which are likely to be round is 53, with the number jumping to 80 when the objects from our survey are announced, and to ~200 when the Kuiper belt is fully surveyed.

Beyond the Kuiper belt there may be even more dwarf planets than in the Kuiper belt. Our best guess is that the region where Sedna resides could contain another ~2000 dwarf planets.
http://web.gps.caltech.edu/~mbrown/dwarfplanets/

Raymond