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Topic: SATURN SYNASTRY - What happens if....
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GemGemGem
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posted March 25, 2009 10:01 AM
  
...there are no Saturn aspects between planets in a couple's synastry chart,
but a LOT of Saturn aspects in a couple's composite chart? Does that mean that instead of each individual teaching the other lessons to be learned, it's the actual relationship that will teach? And will there still be longevity and durability to the relationship? IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted March 25, 2009 10:20 AM
hmm from what i have read in the past year you need to have saturn in the synastry.the composite doesn't kick it for ages... and saturn is the glue.  hope you are feeling better now Gem x IP: Logged |
GemGemGem
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posted March 25, 2009 10:49 AM
Hi Lara! Yes, I'm feeling a bit better, thanks for asking! How are you doing on your end? I hope you're hanging in there until the end of this Venus Rx! Hopefully things will get a lot clearer for you then. I'm trying to observe some consistency in Saturn behavior. Unfortuantely I didn't have that many relationships, so I have no case studies. LOL! to My 7 year relationship had a lot of Saturn aspects between our planets, (none in composite) but the whole experience was like trying to walk through mud. We stuck together of course...very gluey, but it felt so heavy all the time, and eventually I couldn't take it anymore and had to get out. My ex did teach me a lot about relationships and life though. My other 4 year relationship had no Saturn aspects between our planets, but a few in composite. It never felt heavy, but it was just a lot of emotional turmoil going on, trust issues etc. My ex didn't teach me crap, but the relationship itself taught me loads! So that's why I'm wondering if saturn in Composite versus individual planet interaspects would show who or what does the teaching. I actually really hate when someone's saturn is all up on my planets. I can feel it right away, and tend to run away. IP: Logged |
Love
Knowflake Posts: 81
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 25, 2009 11:41 AM
Gem - that's definitely an interesting theory. I think Lara is probably right though - you pretty much need Saturn in the synastry to keep you together after you've met. But I'll go have a look at the relationship charts I have to see if I can find an anomaly.I was thinking about Saturn recently too and wondering how potent Saturn contacts are when the orb is 9 degrees (for Sun/Saturn squares, for example). It obviously has some effect but how much, really? Also, what about the minor aspects like semi-squares and quintiles? IP: Logged |
swirl-kitt
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posted March 25, 2009 11:53 AM
I am curious about Saturn myself So when you say the relationshp felt heavy, what is it that you exactly mean ? Was it heavy in a negative way ? When I have Saturn aspects with people I feel like they respect me but also would expect me act in a certain way.. Which is typical saturn I guess :P IP: Logged |
Lucia23
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posted March 25, 2009 12:31 PM
Interesting--I haven't looked at any synastry for long(ish) term couples that wasn't REALLY Saturn-y. But that doesn't mean it wouldn't be possible. Maybe it would just make for a relationship that felt less demanding.IP: Logged |
GemGemGem
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posted March 25, 2009 12:58 PM
Love, here's a website Crabbyfish put up that has been helpful with orbs. http://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspects2.html
I guess 9 for a square would be a bit too large. I've been wondering about the affects of minor aspects to Saturn too.
No one seems to count those.swirl-kitt, my 7 year relationship was very heavy feeling because all his responsibilites felt like mine, and I'm sure he felt all my responsibilites were his too. We were a team, and worked very well together, did everything together, but the glue got so thick sometimes that I feel like I couldn't break free, and had no choice but to be with him. The "lightness" and fun started to get serious and boring. Soon all we were doing were manual tasks together, work, work, work. That's how I feel saturn relationships are, a lot of work to be done. Where is the fun? I think Saturn themed relationships keep people together because there is a goal, work to be done, and that becomes the focus. Work is the glue. I guess the question is, can a relationship be long lasting, and durable even without Saturn aspects? And then do we consider the composite chart in all of this, and its Saturn aspects as well?
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Lucia23
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posted March 25, 2009 03:57 PM
I find composite charts not particularly useful or accurate. I like to use a combination of natal-natal, progressed-natal, progressed-progressed, draconic-draconic, and natal-draconic synastry...in combination with careful consideration of what each natal chart reveals about each person's wants, style, and needs...to understand the relationship overall as well as the two people's experience of it.In synastry, the following aspects could create long-term staying power even if Saturn was mutually unaspected:
-Personal planets or Nodes tightly conjunct the other person's AC, DC, MC, or IC
-Overlapping angles (i.e., person A's AC snugly conjunct person B's MC)
-Double-whammy node conjunctions (such as, Person A's NN conjunct person B's Moon AND Person B's NN conjunct person B's Venus)
-Double-whammy personal planet contacts in a tight orb (i.e., Person A's Sun conjunct Person B's Moon AND Person B's Sun conjunct to Person A's Moon), ESP. in Serious houses (4th, 10th)...in fun houses (3rd, 5th, 9th, 11th), this could just lead to a feeling of connectedness/liking but a sense of freedom/release instead of clinginess and attachment
-lots and lots of snug contacts between the personal planets IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted March 25, 2009 05:37 PM
I've never had a long term relationship without lots of Saturn....in synastry, or composite.Friends of mine who have been together 20 years have smooth yet minimal Saturn in synastry, and only a single (smooth) Saturn aspect (they have a ton of 4th house stuff as well...maybe making up for it?). I would say it depends on the couple, but more often than not, from every long-term couple I have looked at, Saturn has been present and making some aspects to personal planets.
I'm sure there are exceptions but I'm not going to build any theories on those. IP: Logged |
ChildofVenus
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posted April 23, 2020 11:43 PM
People never say how many or what kind of Saturn aspects though. They only say that Saturn is needed for a long term relationship. Why not mention the kind of aspects or how many?IP: Logged |
Stawr
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posted April 24, 2020 12:02 AM
With my fiance his Saturn doesn't really touch any of my planets. With my Saturn it trines his Virgo Asc that it really with anything major IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee
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From: Portland, OR - USA
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posted April 24, 2020 02:09 AM
Putting this into Interpersonal Astrology.------------------
Soul Stars Astrology by The Declinations Guy
Expert birth chart rectification The birth chart is a starting place not a pre-determiner of fate. IP: Logged |
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