posted March 29, 2009 11:23 AM         

I was wondering if anybody could give insights about the relationship between my grandmother and my grandfather in regards to their very brief relationship.They weren't even together for a year. They were married until the annulment in 1958 which was the same year that my grandfather married my stepgrandmother who was his wife and mother of his 4 children. They were married for 40 years until his death in 1998. I think that my grandparents meant to be together briefly to bring my mother into the world. My grandfather made it sound like he was in lust with her instead of being in love with her. He even told me that my grandmother used him for his allotment check when he was in the Marines. She already had a daughter that was born 11 months before my mom was born. My mom thinks there really was love between them,and that her halfsister was really her full sister. My grandfather had tattoos of names of my mother,grandmother,my mom's half sister on his right arm. I wonder if there was love between my grandparents. It could also have been onesided with my grandfather having feelings for my grandmother. I definitely would like understanding of the relationship between my grandmother and mother.

I found my grandmother's birth info when got her birth certificate during the time that I searched for my maternal grandmother and aunt in 1994 when I was stationed in the San Francisco Bay Area. I was right about her being born in San Francisco. I found it interesting that she was born on the 29th day as me,but I didn't know about Numerology at the time.
I gave my mother a copy of her mother's birth certificate. After I got into Astrology in 1998, I ordered an astrology natal report on my grandmother to get an idea of who she was. I gave it to my mother to keep.

Grandmother
March 29, 1934
8:04 AM
San Francisco,CA

Grandpa
June 22, 1935
2:58 PM
Bryte,CA

Mom
June 13, 1954
6:26 AM
Oakland, CA

Applying transits my grandmother had when she gave birth to my mother.
applying transits only
could also be viewed as synastry too

Pluto sesquiquadrate Sun - '22
Pluto oppose Venus - '28
Pluto oppose Saturn - 1'29
Pluto parallel Pluto - '12
(A big time for transformation!...I wonder if she was going through traumatic experience during my mother's pregnancy.....I also wonder about a difficult birth.....my mom's presence could even activate those feelings due to the biological interaction between the two of them, there could have been power struggles between the two of them if my mother grew up with her.....the synastry aspect can be reliving the transit)

Uranus sextile Moon - '12
Uranus sextile Ascendant - '49
Uranus conjunct Pluto - 1'07
(a time of changes,independence)

Saturn square Midheaven - '24
Saturn quincunx Eris - '17
Saturn contraparallel Uranus - '27
(It looked like my grandmother was going through hard times, definitely a time of responsibility that she couldn't deal with....in synastry,my mother could be restricting,limiting to my grandmother)

Neptune trine Venus - '01
Neptune square Pluto - '52
(I wonder if she was involving in another relationship with somebody...especially with transiting Pluto oppose her Venus too)

posted March 29, 2009 11:45 AM         

Here are the composite charts:

posted March 30, 2009 12:12 AM         

I chose the asteroids pertaining to my mother's name,Cynthia

15992 Cynthia
14135 Cynthialang
3811 Karma
4580 Child

Cynthia in 22'21 Gemini in 5th
conjunct Moon in 21'52 Gemini in 5th
conjunct my mother's Sun in 21'59 Gemini
(Well...this fits with my mother being their child!)

Cynthialang in 24'26 Cancer in 6th
conjunct Pluto in 23'44 Cancer in 6th
conjunct my mother's Venus in 25'04 Cancer

Child in 1'09 Pisces in 1st
conjunct Saturn in 2'18 Pisces in 1st
sextile Uranus in 0'25 Taurus in 3rd

Karma in 19'06 Virgo in 8th
trine Sun in 19'25 Taurus in 4th
trine Venus in 19'35 Taurus in 4th
(Karmic intimate,romantic relationship)

These asteroid aspects confirm not only that their being together was no accident but that they were meant to meet to bring my mother into the world, but they also confirm that Asteroid Astrology is no joke. It really works. It can really finetune a chart.

Raymond

posted March 30, 2009 03:39 PM           

Hope you don't find this too presumptious:

My impressions,

I think your grandmother had bronchial asthma to do with the environment. She could play some tunes on some kind of keyboard - organ rather than piano I think. She liked Richie Valens, well he comes to mind. Favourite snack foods - pork rind and toasted peanut butter somethings(has a colloquial name that I can't get -I just get the yorkshire version - butty, but not sure what she called it). Favourite drink - ginger lemonade

She drifted away from your grandfather, amicably it seemed, times were very hard and she took work, then her life just went in a different direction, they were kind of survival choices for her - well that is how it seemed to her.

I think these impressions are correct.

Oh, I keep getting a significant scene of seeing ribbons(flaglike) but hanging down fluttering. And these were up high strung up from high poles and lining a main street - some kind of street parade - I don't know whether it was returning servicemen or something else like an inauguration. It was one of her happiest days I think.

good luck, can't believe the wealth of analysis you can drum up - genius

posted April 01, 2009 10:26 AM         

Solar Return when my grandmother had her firstborn daughter on May 14, 1953, met my grandfather,got married,and got pregnant with my mother

Sun conjunct Eris in 4th
(divergence,diversity,controversy,discord in home)

Solar Return Moon conjunct Natal Moon
(emotional matters are prominent, that could be strong indicator for motherhood)

Retrograde Venus conjunct Mars in 5th (sex,romance,children)

Solar Return Jupiter conjunct Ascendant
(expansion,optimism)

Solar Return Midheaven conjunct Natal Neptune
(confusion about life objectives)

Solar Return Imum Coeli conjunct Natal Mercury
(strong emphasis on communications)

Solar Return Descendant conjunct Natal Chiron
(woundedness,healing in relationships)

Solar Return when she had my mother on June 13, 1954 and gave her up

Sun in 1st
(focus on self,independence)
conjunct Eris - diversity,divergence,discord
oppose Ceres in 7th - nurturing,motherhood

Solar Return Moon in 12th conjunct MC
(strong emphasis on private,emotional world.....strong emphasis on motherhood)

Solar Return Uranus conjunct Stationary South Node in 5th (unpredictable in romance,children.....detachment from children)
conjunct Natal Pluto - transformation,getting rid of children

Solar Return Mercury conjunct Natal Mercury
(strong emphasis on communications)

Solar Ascendant conjunct Natal Venus-Saturn
(emphasis committed relationships,responsibilities as well as security issues, practical about love)

Raymond