posted March 31, 2009 11:33 AM           

Feel free to post your Eris thoughts.

Eris
______

Oaks burrow through meal of dirt,
But bend to the weightier rock; --
All natures observe the wisdom of their strength;
And spirits rich in vigor, with vigor are rewarded.

If a spirit stand firmly in his ground,
The whole world will rise up to meet him,
With open arms and daggers drawn;
To strife and to surrender.

Each man is like the rarest jewel,
The first and last example of his kind,
Craddled in a joint of the Eternal Web,
Tender and responsive to the Whole.

Twinges mark the Holy movement,
And tensions move from joint to joint,
Polishing the rigid edges of the jewels;
So the brilliance of the Son is reflected.

~ HSC

Sun 13°54 Scorpio

posted March 31, 2009 11:36 AM           

E R I S = S I R E?

posted March 31, 2009 01:58 PM         

Mine is in Aries in my 3rd house, trine my NN.

I have a 1 degree Eris-Eris conjunction (in my 3rd house, his 7th) with a guy I'm really attracted to...we also have an exact Eris-Jupiter trine in each of our third houses, and a bunch of looser Eris contacts. How would that be felt?

posted March 31, 2009 08:01 PM           

Research on Eris is still in its infancy.
Nobody really knows anything about Eris,
but there are some theories, based on the myths.

The essential theme is believed to be "Strife";
both the positive and negative consequences of it.
Eris is a competitive energy that must be used impersonally.

At least, that is my take.
And maybe I have some insight,
since it is so exactly aspecting my Sun.

posted March 31, 2009 08:36 PM         

I believe that some of Eris' characteristics have been assigned to
Uranus,and I know that this view is very controversial and ridiculous
view to astrologer. What would many Vedic Astrologers and Classical
Astrologers say about Modern Astrologers use of the outerplanets which
aren't in their systems? They would say that they don't need the
outerplanets because they already have the traditional 7 planets as
well as the lunar nodes.

What would many Astronomers say about Astrologers in general?
well......they would say that we are a bunch of pseudoscientists that
are using inaccurate zodiac and that we are fraudulent and delusional
for practicing such nonsense.

The traits of Uranus seem to be traits of Mercury,Jupiter,Saturn.
Uranus can relate to Mercury because it's intellectual,nervous
energy..it also is considered the high octave of Mercury...especially
with Uranus ruling Aquarius which is an airsign like Gemini which
Mercury rules Uranus can relate to Jupiter in regards to
progression,freedom with Jupiter ruling the freedom-
oriented,progressive sign Sagittarius. Uranus could possibly relate to
Saturn with Saturn's traditional rulership of Aquarius which is a
fixed sign and in that sense shares some rigidity with Saturn. I even
think that Uranus and Saturn could possibly share some detachment. I
believe that Vedic Astrologers do view Saturn as a detachment type of
planet in some respects. They would see that my Moon in Aquarius
aspected by Saturn indicates detachment in my Vedic Chart. They put
mainly emphasis on Ketu(South Lunar Node) as detachment. They don't
need to use Uranus to see detachment in charts. They also tend to see
Rahu(North Lunar Node) as unconventional too,and they don't need to
see Uranus for that. They would see my Rahu in 6th house as
unconventional about work,service like Mars in Aquarius in 6th is
viewed as that in Western Astrology.

The traits of Neptune seem to be traits of Moon,Jupiter,and Venus.
Neptune can relate to Moon because it's sensitivity,dreams,and the
unconscious. Some say Neptune is collective unconscious and Moon is
personal unconscious. Neptune is exalted in Moon's sign,Cancer.
Neptune can relate to Jupiter because of its idealism...especially
with Jupiter's traditional rulership of Pisces which has been assigned
to. Both Jupiter and Neptune are exalted in Cancer. Neptune can relate
to Venus because it's aesthetic,relating to beauty,love. Venus is more
about personal love and Neptune IS more about collective or universal
love. Neptune is considered the high octave of Venus. Neptune is said
to be the mystic,but Ketu(South Lunar Node) is used as the mystical
planet in Vedic Astrology. They would see my Ketu in Cancer in 12th as
a mystical placement like Western Astrologers would see my Moon in
Pisces(square its dispositor,Neptune) as one.

The traits of Pluto seem to be traits of Mars and Saturn. Pluto can
relate to Saturn with it being seen by some as a dark planet. Saturn
was the traditional planet of death,and now that's been assigned to
Pluto.
Pluto can relate to Mars as it can be
aggressive,passionate...especially with Mars' traditional rulership of
Scorpio which has been assigned to Pluto. Vedic Astrologers tend to
see Rahu(North Lunar Node) in regards to being very passionate in the
way Pluto is. Pluto is considered the high octave of Mars. Another
interesting thing is that both Mars and Saturn are considered to be
malefics in classical and Vedic Astrology. Interestingly, Mars/Saturn
midpoint is known as the death axis in Cosmobiology. That also makes
me think of Pluto having a Mars/Saturn combo energy. Pluto was
assigned the rulership of Scorpio which is the sign that Pluto's
Perihelion has been in for many centuries. Coincidence? I don't think
so.

Vedic Astrologers contribute the outerplanet energies to Rahu(North
Lunar Node) and Ketu(South Lunar Node) and Saturn. I have already
mentioned some examples of that.

I believe that modern Astrologers that negatively criticize
astrologers that use Eris would be no different from Vedic Astrologers
and Classical Astrologers that criticize astrologers for using the
outerplanets. Of course, it wouldn't be any different from astronomers
that negatively criticize astrologers.

Astrology has really diverged from Astronomy since the Discovery of
Uranus. Astrologers differ in their views,and there is a lot of
disagreement about what methods to use. I believe that it's better to
agree to disagree. It would be nice if astrologers even think of other
astrological systems as equal and not viewing them as
inferior,inaccurate,nor nonsense. Like I said before, not only is
their discord among astronomers but discord among astrologers.

I feel that all this relates to Eris which I believe rules Astrology
along with Uranus. Astrology
is a controversial subject in mainstream society.

Many astrologers think of Uranus as stirring stuff up,controversy, and
even one astrologer
contributed racism to Uranus,but I am convinced that is Eris.

I believe that Eris has to do with divergence,diversity more than
Uranus does. Wars are fought because of differences in
views,opinions,and beliefs.
People fought others that are different from them. People had that
"you're wrong and I am right" mentality, and I see that going on in
regards to morals,ethics,religion,politics,education,scientific
fields,relationships,the food that we eat...I hate to say,but I see it
in Astrology too. Even Steven Forrest who has a close Moon-Eris
conjunction says that there is a Tower of Babel going on among
astrologers,and he pointed out that the idea of one true Astrology is
a myth and destructive. It's often thinking that one is better than
the other which can lead to to superiority-inferiority issues. This is
what can lead to equal/civil rights issues. Then people feel the need
to stand up for themselves and fight for their rights. They end up
being advocates which astrologers assign to Uranus. I think that
advocacy and activism are mixed up. I think activism is more linked to
wanting to get changes made and even progress. It can even be
independence to some degree. Abolutionism would seem like Uranus, but
the whole slavery thing is based on ideology leading to the
superiority-inferiority issues.

Dr. Michael E. Brown, a professor of planetary astronomy at the
California Institute of Technology who discovered the distant ball of
ice and rock that he nicknamed Xena and that had been designated 2003
UB313, chose the name Eris, after the goddess of discord and strife in
Greek mythology.
“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Brown said, given the continuing
discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should
have retained its planetary status.
In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.
“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them
think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Brown
said. “It really is just perfect.” http://tech.mit.edu/V126/N38/38shorts2.html

Don't many people do that on our planet today? Of course they do,
this has been going on for centuries,millenniums. Many
arguments,fights,battles,and wars(including civil and world wars) have
occurred because of intolerance of people's differences in some form
or another.

It seems all about ideology,diversity,equality matters in general.
Eris can be about "-isms"

Intolerance of diversity is the greatest problem on our planet.

Even consider it's orbit. Uranus' orbit eccentricity is 0.044 405
586, but Eris' orbit eccentrity is 0.441 77. Therefore, Eris' orbit
is more eccentric than Uranus' orbit. It would be logical to think
that Eris more eccentric than Uranus in its astrology. Uranus orbital
inclination is 0.772 556°, but Eris orbit is 44.187°. Eris' orbit is
more inclined. Uranus' orbit mean anomaly is 142.955 717°,but Eris'
orbit mean anomaly is 197.634 27°. Eris' orbit is more of an anomaly
than Uranus. Conclusion of Eris being more of an anomaly than Uranus
in regards to Astrological characteristics makes sense to me. Uranus
travels on the ecliptic like all the other planets do,and it's in the
constellation of Aquarius right now. Eris travels far off the
ecliptic plane,and is in the the constellation of Cetus which is not
one of the zodiac constellations. Uranus doesn't have a highly
elliptical orbit like Eris does. Unlike Uranus,Eris is a scattered
disk object. Of course, Eris is far smaller than Uranus,but larger
than Pluto. Eris is a lot more divergent than Uranus can ever be.
Eris doesn't fit in with the other planets just like the mythological
Eris didn't fit in with the major Greek deities. Therefore it makes
perfect sense for me to consider divergence and diversity can be
keywords for Eris.

Pluto got to be classed as a planet for over 40 years, but larger Eris
didn't get to be classed as a planet, and that mirrors how
mythological Eris was a minor goddess who wasn't invited to the
wedding of King Peleus and Thetis who were the parents of Achilles who
fought in the Trojan War. She was being discriminated against because
she was this bad nasty goddess who caused trouble. However, even the
major gods/goddesses weren't all innocent. They were known for causing
a lot of trouble and being nasty and cruel to mortals and to each
other. How can Eris exclusion for being a troublemaker be justified?
Certainly,Ares,the God of War, was a nasty,cruel troublemaker,and he
was included in the wedding. To me, Eris' throwing the golden apple
not only exposed the petty vanities of the goddesses, but also showed
how they were a bunch of hypocrites that weren't perfect. Paris
awarded the golden apple to Aphrodite who was so promiscuous and
didn't care about her own marriage vows with Hephaestus,getting it on
with Ares as well as other gods and even mortals like Anchises(father
of her son,Aeneas who fought in Trojan War,mythical ancestor of
Rome),she promised Paris, the most beautiful woman in the
world,Helen, but she was married to King Menelaus of Sparta. I would
think that would make Aphrodite a troublemaker and just as
dishonorable as Eris. She was held in high regard because of her great
beauty,being the Goddess of Beauty and not just Love. Eris was the
ugly goddess,and so didn't get a free ride like Aphrodite did. Of
course, Aphrodite was far more attracted to the handsome
vain,cruel,bloodthirsty Ares than to his ugly hardworking,humble,good-
natured brother Hephaestus. To me, Eris can be seen as somebody who is
"ugly" but who exposing the ugliness and hypocrisy of people who are
"beautiful." To put it bluntly, Eris can be about showing a person
who thinks his/her crap doesn't stink really does stink.
Eris doesn't seem to care about the status quo which is based on the
majority of what people think is right and what is wrong just like
rules and laws which aren't always fair and just. Eris seems to
challenge the self-righteousness of others and expose their hypocrisy.

Because of the discovery of Eris', Pluto was demoted to minor planet
just like Ceres had been demoted to minor planet. Now Ceres and Pluto
are now equals for they are both assigned minor planet numbers and
classed as dwarf planets. That's because of the discovery of Eris.
Just think how Pluto/Hades and Ceres/Demeter shared time with
Proserpina/Persephone in Roman/Greek mythology.
Proserpina/Persephone was away from Hades/Pluto for half of the year
to be with her mother,Demeter/Ceres.

This is what Eris' co-discover said in reference to naming Eris when
it was just nicknamed Xena.
"Interestingly, there are no actual rules for how to name a planet
(presumably because no one expected there to be more). All of the
other planets are named for Greek or Roman gods, so an obvious
suggestion is to attempt to find such a name for the new planet.
Unfortunately, most of the Greek or Roman god names (particularly
those associated with creation, which tend to be the major gods) were
used back when the first asteroids were being discovered. If a name is
already taken by an asteroid, the IAU would not allow that name to be
used again. One such particularly apt name would have been Persephone.
In Greek mythology Persephone is the (forcibly abducted) wife of Hades
(Roman Pluto) who spends six months each year underground close to
Hades. The new planet is on an orbit that could be described in
similar terms; half of the time it is in the vicinity of Pluto and
half of the time much further away. Sadly, the name Persephone was
used in 1895 as a name for the 399th known asteroid. The perhaps more
appropriate Roman version of the name, Proserpina, was used even
earlier for the 26th known asteroid. The same story can be told for
almost any other Greek or Roman god of any consequence. One exception
to this name depletion is the Roman god Vulcan (Greek Haphaestus), the
god of fire. Astronomers have long reserved that term, however, for a
once hypothetical (now known to be nonexistent) planet closer to the
sun than Mercury (god of fire, near the sun, good name). We would not
want to use such a name to describe such a cold body as our new
planet!" http://www.gps.caltech.edu/~mbrown/planetlila/

I checked out any Eris activity during the discovery of Uranus which
could reflect that Eris' energy was also involved and that some of its
characteristics were assigned to Uranus. Maybe Astrologers picked up
on Eris' energy when it was considering Uranus' role in Astrology.

Uranus discovery chart:
March 13, 1781
Bath,England
12:00 PM..not sure of actual time

Mercury in 11'10 Aries
Eris in 13'54 Capricorn
(The Mercury square Eris could relate to perceptions linked to Eris
that helped Uranus be discovered which lead to causing disorder in
organization of perceptions of the old solar system just like Eris'
discovery led to disorder in organization of perceptions of what
constitutes a planet leading to Pluto being demoted from major planet
to minor planet,and made equals with Ceres with both Pluto and Ceres
being classed as dwarf planets. This aspect could be about
divergent,diverse communications,mental activity,ideas.)

I have Mercury in 3rd biquintile Eris with 6 minutes of arc myself.
The biquintile is a 5th harmonic aspect devised by astronomer/
astrologer,Johannes Kepler,and it relates to creativity. I believe
that it fits with my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD(they tend to be
comorbid) which has a lot to do with neurodivergence,thinking, outside
the box,seeing things from other perspectives. I think that this is
also reflected by Eris aspecting both my Mercury-ruled angles. It
sextile my Gemini Midheaven with 1'01 orb and quincunx my Virgo
Ascendant with 1'12 orb. I even have Eris/Node midpoint in Virgo
square my Midheaven in Gemini with 8 minutes of arc and Eris
semisquare Mercury/Saturn midpoint with 30 minutes of arc. There is a
very strong Mercury-Eris theme in my chart. All this a mere
coincidence. I don't think so. It's more like synchronicity to me.

I checked to see if any connections to Geocentric Eris Nodes as well
as Heliocentric Nodes

Venus in 2'21 Pisces
sextile North Eris Node in 2'21 Taurus
trine South Eris Node in 3'39 Scorpio
sextile/trine Heliocentric Nodes in 2'34 Taurus/Scorpio
This could be values,love,relationships connected to the collective
issues of diversity,discord,equal rights
(so Uranus Discovery chart's Venus trines South Eris Node and sextiles
the North Eris Node
note: The Eris North Node is sextile its dispositor,Venus...so a
double whammy of Eris Node-Venus.)

I checked the Heliocentic Chart (After all..there is such thing as
heliocentric Astrology...Philip Sedgwick has a book on it called Sun
At The Center..I have that book too)

Heliocentric Mercury in 2'00 Cancer
sextile/trine Heliocentric Eris Nodes in 2'34 Scorpio
(This could be communications,mental activity,ideas that are connected
to the collective issues of diversity,discord,equal rights)
Heliocentric Mercury is also the dispositor of the Heliocentric North
Uranus Node in 12'50 Gemini

Heliocentric Mars in 13'26 Scorpio
sextile Heliocentric Eris in 12'44 Capricorn
(this could be activity that is diverse,divergent)

Heliocentric Eris also squares its own Perihelion/Aphelion in 11'50
Libra/Aries

I checked to see connections to Eris Perigree/Apogee axis

Perigree:The point nearest the Earth in the orbit of a planet or other
celestial body.

Apogee: The point furthest from the Earth in the orbit of a planet or
other celestial body.

Mercury is in 11'10 aries
Eris Apogee is in 11'40 aries
Eris Perigree is in 12'18 libra

So Mercury is aspected to not only Eris but Eris perigree/apogee axis
and Heliocentric Mercury aspected to Heliocentric Eris Nodes
suggesting that Uranus is connected to Eris and that astrologers were
picking up on Erisian energy in Uranus and assigning some
characteristics to Uranus that actually belong to Eris.

Could it be that the discovery of Uranus that ended up causing
controversy,chaos in regards to view of the solar system which also
ended up turning astrologers into not only minorities and outcasts
from the academic,science fields but also created diversity,divergence
in Astrology(for instance,some astrologers don't use the outerplanets
and think that's the only right way to do Astrology) is linked to
Eris? I believe that's the case. I believe that Eris could be co-
ruler of Astrology along with Uranus.

another thing.......

if you check Eris' Perihelion/Aphelion axis and Heliocentric Uranus
Nodes today

Perihelion - the point of a body's orbit that is closest to the Sun

Aphelion - the point of a body's orbit that is farthest from the Sun

you will find...

Eris Perihelion/Aphelion axis in 14'46 Libra/Aries
trine Heliocentric Uranus Nodes in 14'05 Gemini/Sagittarius

They move very slowly...far slower than outer planets. They don't even
move a degree in a century

The Eris Perihelion/Aphelion axis and Heliocentric Uranus are always
trine each other. They are very much connected. That means that the
energy of Eris and Uranus are connected to each other too.

If you check the day that Uranus was discovered....

Eris Perihelion/Aphelion axis in 11'50 Libra/Aries
trine Heliocentric Uranus Nodes in 12'50 Gemini/Sagittarius

as you see, the Eris Perihelion/Aphelion axis and Heliocentric Uranus
Nodes were trine each other like they still do.

I also find it interesting that Eris' North Node is in Taurus and
Perihelion is in Libra, both signs ruled by Venus. This to me, can
seem to mirror the mythologicial symbolism of the connection of Eris
and Aphrodite with Aphrodite,born from the spot where Ouranos'
detached genitals(severed by Cronos' sickle) were thrown in the sea,
getting so much respect for her beauty and that she was one of the 12
major Greek deities(think of astronomical Venus' much larger size),
but Eris, twin sister of Ares as well as daughter of Zeus and Hera
didn't get to be to be included as a major Greek deity but was a minor
deity(think of astronomical Eris' much smaller size) with her being
ugly.

To me, it's like Eris demanding some equal treatment.

Eris saying "Let that materialistic bimbo rule Taurus, and let me rule
Libra."

Of course, Eris' North Node and Perihelion placement mirrors the
mythogical symbolism of Eris' throwing the golden apple in the wedding
with Aphrodite's claim, competition,and the award of it which led to
discord,war,hatred,killing,death,revenge between the Greeks and
Trojans. This seems to reflect the Nodal axis in Taurus/Scorpio and
Perihelion/Aphelion axis in Libra/Aries.

There are clues to Eris characteristics from not only mythology and
but also astronomy

Astrologers don't need to depend on the name of an object to find
meaning to it. They can use orbital and physical features for clues.
Astronomically-oriented astrologers like Philip Sedgwick,Juan Revilla
make that point.

In my own chart:

Eris in 12'15 Aries R
oppose Uranus in 15'17 Libra
sextile MC in 11'14 Gemini
sextile/trine North Lunar Nodes in 10'29 Aquarius/Leo
biquintile Mercury - '06
parallel Mars - '47

Heliocentric South Eris Node in 5'30 Scorpio
conjunct Sun in 5'20 Scorpio

In Right Ascension (Equatorial Longitude coordinates that astronomers use):

Eris
semisquare Moon - '07
semisquare Saturn - '56
Moon square Saturn -'48
(8th harmonic triangle)

quincunx Venus - '09
quincunx Haumea - '43
Venus sextile Haumea - '52
(Yod)

posted March 31, 2009 09:04 PM         

I don't believe that Eris is just about discord and controversy. I think that there is more to it. That's like saying Pluto is just about the underworld because Pluto/Hades is the God of the underworld. Juan Revilla made good points that we can't just rely on the name of the object for its astrological meaning. Uranus personality traits fit more with Prometheus than the god, Uranus even though Uranus/Ouranos
was the sky god. Neptune personality traits fit more with Dionysus/Bacchus even though Neptune was the sea god. I looked at some asteroidvstuff in regards to that. Juan Revilla said that it's important to consider the orbital symbolism of the objects. Philip Sedgwick takes into account the nodes and perihelion/aphelion of the object.

Astronomical-oriented astrologers including Philip Sedgwick, Juan Revilla, Zane Stein don't rely on the name of objects to derive
meaning from it.

Some of them suggested names to the astronomers that were accepted for
some centaurs after studying their orbits, physical properties. Nessus
was the first. http://www.zanestein.com/page4_2.htm

this is what Philip Sedgwick said
Star Blogs ~ The Galactic Times
Planet With No Name (Yet) ~ 02 Feb 2008

"So if you were Neil Young traversing the desert night sky on a planet
with no name, how could you derive any meaning for it? One, consider
its nature, uniqueness and physical profile. Two, assign interpretive
delineations by pondering the sign and degree of critical orbital
elements, specifically the node and closest point the body makes to
the Sun."

the closest point of the object makes to the sun is called the
Perihelion.

Here is some stuff by Juan Revilla who believes in the orbital
symbolism should be used to determine an object's astrological meaning
and not the name.

ORBITAL SYMBOLISM IN ASTROLOGY http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/essays/paradigm.html

Zane Stein even added Persephone/Proserpina symbolism in his Eris keywords. Michael Brown wanted to name Eris "Persephone", and he even said that it was like Persephone. He said that half of the time, Eris orbits away from Pluto. But the names, "Persephone" and "Proserpina" were given to asteroids. Obviously, astronomers gave mythological
names too readily. Michael Brown did give the name Eris after all the discord among the astronomers. Methinks..that there could be astrologers in discord. Many astrologers don't agree on many things in Astrology like orbs are hotly debated.

I was thinking how Ceres and Pluto are made equals in Astronomy because of the discovery of Eris, and how it can seem similar to how
Pluto/Hades and Ceres/Demeter shared equal amount of time with Proserpina/Persephone.
Pluto got demoted to minor planet and assigned a minor planet number.
Ceres got promoted to dwarf planet. Therefore, Pluto and Ceres are equals in astronomy. Pluto got the same treatment as Ceres. Ceres was classed as a planet but got it's planetary status stripped after the
realization that it is one of many objects in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter. Now Pluto's planetary status is stripped after the realization that it is one of many objects in the Kuiper Belt. After they found Eris, the need to make a definition of what planet had to be made. Astronomers even hypothesize there could be a
dozen Plutos out there and even some Mars-sized objects. Any ways...Ceres and Pluto were made equals because of Eris, and so that's one of the reasons that I believe Eris has to do with equal rights,civil rights issues.. I am seeing Eris in civil rights, equal rights events....especially involving Black civil rights issues. Eris can be related to minority rights issues. Eris' Perihelion is in Libra seems
to reflect the equality, fairness, getting along that Eris seems to call for. Eris' Aphelion in Aries seems to reflect the war, conflict,aggression, trouble that Eris is known for causing. Eris' North Node
in Taurus seems to reflect the solidarity. It can also be the stubbornness, materialism that often causes problems in society and
creates division between people. Eris' South Node in Scorpio seems to reflect the transformation, rebirth, but also revenge, resentment that often connection to division of humanity and linked to racism.

When I think of Eris, I think of taking sides, forced to decide between two things, torn between two factions, dilemmas, "If you are not with me, you are against me", betrayal, resentment that happens
after choosing a side, creating a bridge, narrowing the gap

Eris orbits beyond Saturn, and so it seems like it can relate to the metaphysical. It is a kuiper belt object like Pluto, and so it can seem to relate to intensity, transformation, and rebirth. Eris' orbit
is more unusual than Pluto for its not only it's more elliptical, but it is tilted 44.187 degrees relative to the plane of the solar system.
Pluto's orbit is only inclined 17 degrees. That would reflect that Eris relates to being a nonconformist as well as being divergent.

Based on reading Zane Stein's article and his keywords as well as Roy MacKinnon's keywords and the charts that I have looked at, I believe that Eris has to do with stirring stuff up, controversy, ideology,
civil/equal rights matters, standing up for self/others, advocacy,bigotry, racism, minorities, race relations, diversity, .....all those things are connected to each other too.

It could be racial relations stuff like the racial divide, interracial relationships, interracial marriages, interracial family
connections,and interracial parentage. It it could be the multiracial.
It could even be international relations. It could be like tolerance/intolerance of divergence, diversity, minorities(not necessarily race,ethnic...but even religion, sexual orientation, etc). It's the intolerance of divergents, diversity, minorities that lead to equal/civil rights issues.

Barack Obama is definitely a racial minority, he comes across as
divergent to many, and he seems to believe in acceptance/tolerance of diversity by many(note:I didn't say most nor all), he comes from a family background that is diverse. He's a civil rights lawyer. Of
course, he's viewed as being Muslim by many people(note: I didn't say most nor all). Of course,many Muslims are frowned upon here in USA. He also had a highly controversial minister who gets called racists after
pointing out the racism here in USA that is even confirmed by the United Nations. Being biracial black and white,he was torn between the white and races like many biracial black and white people. Even in this day and age, "the one drop rule" is still in effect. A biracial people tend to have no choice but identify mainly with minority race because that's how society will view them as....especially if they are part black. With him in the presidential race,the need to create a bridge between blacks and whites and deal with the race divide was very
obvious.

Roy, Zane, Francisco, and Phil have some very good preliminary
keywords for Eris, and they go well beyond discord. The Eris research
that I did seem to support their keywords.

Roy MacKinnon's Eris' Keywords:
Striving to achieve one's goals and refusing to capitulate to the
pressure of unjust treatment and discord from abusive authority : with
great inner conviction and single-mindedness of purpose following a
path of high attainment and enlightenment notwithstanding adversity -
alternatively refusing the call to transform with mediocrity and
underachievement as consequences: issues around power abuse of
minorities, the defenceless, the alien: networks, multinational
countries and companies, the world- wide web: piracy, terrorism, clash
of ideologies: conflict between desires of personality and pursuit of
the inner call: persecution of the spiritually aware person who stands
alone courageously acting according to conscience: an outstanding
individual ahead of the times.

Zane Stein's Eris Keywords:
Loss of innocence, entrance into adulthood; child's trauma being
separated from parent; acceptance of unavoidable changes; dying and
being reborn (as opposed to Pluto which rules the causes/processes of
death and rebirth); internal split causing longing to be whole, the
longing of the soul for its other half; the subject/object of a
debate, argument, competition, conflict or war...what stirs people to
fight or disagree; fighting for one's rights; strife and discord;
pitting one side against the other; competition, contests and
tournaments; struggles for supremacy; rivalry; a test of skills or
abilities; love of fighting or debate; what one has at stake in a
competition, dispute or conflict, or one's perspective of what is
being fought over; refusing to relinquish one's hold on an ideal,
belief, cause, or object...'not budging an inch'; the problems
resulting from irreconcilable differences; contrasting different
perspectives; comparing thesis and antithesis in the search for truth;
contrasting opposing viewpoints to reveal each side more clearly, to
seek similarities as well as differences; contrasting logical thought
processes to show the limitations of logic; identifying with, or
trying to understand, first principles; incongruous juxtapositions to
force one to think outside of the box; the ethics connected with one's
motives and methods, and the coming to light of less than spotless
methods; the roots of one's motivations; piracy, defrauding,
swindling; society's ethics; race intent.

Francesco Schiavinotto's Keywords:
Dam; Damming; Obstruction; Obliteration; To be opposite; Aversion for
the Extraneous; To obstacle the Alien; False Adaption between
Different Matters; Reciprocal Aversion; Feeling to be Invaded;
Resistance; Incommunicability; Controversial Figure; Ecological
Incompatibility; Underground Instability

It's Eris' Co-Discoverer, Michael Brown that seemed to give the clue
to Eris' meaning

"She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them
think their opinions are right and everyone else's is wrong, " Brown
said. "It really is just perfect." ) http://www-tech.mit.edu/V126/N38/38shorts2.html

That seems to fit with
controversy,ideology,diversity,divergence,considerate/inconsiderate of
viewpoints/opinions/beliefs/values,bigotry,terrorism, redefining
boundaries)......Honestly, I think that it not only fits with any
belief system but also even Astrology(look at how much diversity is in
Astology that involves so much disagreement that even Steven
Forrest ,who has Moon conjunct Eris, refers to the issue as Tower
Babel and stated that the idea of "One True Astrology" is a myth and
destructive). I even think that Eris might even be a co-ruler of
Astrology.

The Tower of Babel applies to the whole planet in general for there is
much diversity with much intolerance,miscommunications,and
misunderstandings.

Many Christians used the Tower of Babel story in the Bible as an
excuse for segregation,interracial marriage bans

for example:

In June 1958, two residents of Virginia, Mildred Jeter, a Negro woman,
and Richard Loving, a white man, were married in the District of
Columbia pursuant to its laws. Shortly after their marriage, the
Lovings returned to Virginia and established their marital abode in
Caroline County. At the October Term, 1958, of the Circuit Court of
Caroline County, a grand jury issued an indictment charging the
Lovings with violating Virginia's ban on interracial marriages. On
January 6, 1959, the Lovings pleaded guilty to the charge and were
sentenced to one year in jail; however, the trial judge suspended the
sentence for a period of 25 years on the condition that the Lovings
leave the State and not return to Virginia together for 25 years. He
stated in an opinion that:

"Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red,
and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the
interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such
marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not
intend for the races to mix." http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/loving.html

Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1 (1967)[1], was a landmark civil rights
case in which the United States Supreme Court declared Virginia's anti-
miscegenation statute, the "Racial Integrity Act of 1924",
unconstitutional, thereby overturning Pace v. Alabama (1883) and
ending all race-based legal restrictions on marriage in the United
States.

In Eris' discovery chart, Moon in 10'57 Scorpio in 7th house square
Babel in 9'31 Leo in 5th which seems to fit the issues dealing with
interracial relationships as well as their offspring. http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/Astynaz/ErisDiscoveryAstrology.gif

Tower of Babel seems to fit with Eris.

posted April 02, 2009 10:11 AM         

Interesting stuff

the answer to your question about my having Moon in Aquarius is both "No" and "Yes"

No - my Moon is in tropical sign of Pisces, and my Moon square Neptune with 1'22 orb also could help me relate more with that moonsign. My Moon oppose Saturn/Neptune midpoint with 17 minutes of arc could also help me relate more with that moonsign.

Yes - because my Moon is in the constellation of Aquarius, and it's even in conjunction with alpha Aquarius,Sadalmelik with 9 minutes of arc and in conjunction with theta Aquarius,Ancha with 18 minutes of arc. Sadalmelik is also in a culminating paran with my Moon. In Right Ascension(Equatorial Longitude coordinates that astronomers use to locate objects),my Moon conjuncts gamma Aquarius,Sadalbachia with 39 minutes of arc.

Therefore,I am strongly connected to the Aquarius constellation.

Vedic Astrologers use the Sidereal Zodiac and use only Saturn as ruler of Aquarius.
In Sidereal Zodiac, my Moon is in Aquarius. I have Moon square Saturn with 1'58 orb ('49 in Right Ascension).

My Moon aspects quite a few kuiper belt objects
square R Varuna in Gemini - '10
trine Quaoar in Scorpio - '50
contraparallel Quaoar - '50
trine Ixion in Scorpio - 2'15
sextile Sedna in R Taurus - 1'06 ('39 in Right Ascension)
semisquare Eris - '08 in Right Ascension
probably indicates my oversensitivity to subtleties,feeling out of place with my
surroundings,nonconformist....fit with the neurodivergence and relating to the
Indigo/Crystal stuff