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etherealenlightenment
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posted March 31, 2009 07:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message
This is my current boyfriend's chart... there have been a few things happening lately that are making me wonder if he's worth trusting... could somebody please tell me if he looks trustworthy and honest based on his chart? maybe there are some aspects that would explain better... i just don't know... i have a tendancy to read too much into things and overanalyze situations so i'm trying to figure out whether there really is something there that i should be careful about or it's just my paranoia...

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posted March 31, 2009 08:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
I don't want to sound flippant here, but you would know best since he is your boyfriend. It's probably best to trust your own instincts. Anyone can have an aspect that looks suspicious and yet be a trustworthy person.
Conversely, anyone can have a trustworthy-looking chart and be a flat-out pathological liar.
I don't sense he's the kind to break things off suddenly; he maybe just hangs in there even if he's not happy, because he probably gets very attached.
Again, I'm sure you'd know better since you know him.
His Uranus is peregrine and makes no major aspects to the planets in his chart. That probably means his Uranian side is more pronounced. How unpredictable is he to you? With his Uranus in the 5th house I doubt he is all about predictable or reliability. That energy has to come out in some way probably, despite all the cuddly Cancer/4th house stuff. And Cancer males can be highly manipulative at times (not ALL of them, of course - I've met some very mature ones, but the ones who aren't really aren't!)

Also, look at his current transits. Also remember that Venus is Rx right now, so it's not a great time for a lot of people. It may just be a temporary problem you guys are having.


Aries on the MC shows he's very much about doing things his own way.

Do you know if he had a tough childhood? Some of the 4th house stuff seems like it might be stressful.

12th house stuff is never easy to have or deal with in a chart. It makes things feel slippery. A 12th house moon can be hard - his emotions can be a mystery even to him (I should know, I have a 12th house moon too).
I think there's probably a lot of idealizing on his part with the 12th house stuff. Venus in there makes for kind of ethereal idealistic love or a desire for it, which can make reality or hard times in a relationship hard to reconcile or see clearly.
Mercury in the 12th I am not sure of....is he vague when he talks?

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etherealenlightenment
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posted March 31, 2009 09:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message
no I completely understand... you're not being flippant... the 12th house moon may be a possible explanation for it... it's like I just have no idea what he's feeling sometimes... and lately... possibly b/c of the venus in Rx... i dont know how he's feeling about me...

he is kind of unpredictable... and that's both a good and a bad thing... it's kind of like my venus in aries would be very bored with him if he wasn't that way... but my taurus ways want me to feel secure in love...

i really hope he's not the manipulative type... he doesn't seem that way but sometimes i wonder how honest he is with me... does he look like he could be prone to temptation? i sometimes wonder if he's ever been unfaithful to me...

yes you're right, he is my boyfriend and i should know him best... but im also extremely idealistic about love, having quite a few pisces neptune influences... so sometimes it's hard to tell if i'm facing reality or just looking through rose-colored glasses...

once again thank you for your insight...

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etherealenlightenment
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posted March 31, 2009 09:26 PM           Edit/Delete Message
oh and another thing... yes he is very vague when he talks... he's always had difficulty communicating with people... in fact he's had difficulty with communication of any type period... speech has always been an obstacle... he has ADHD which makes him very hyper and distracted... he also has dyslexia which made reading and writing a challenge for him... but i always thought that maybe that's just his Chiron in Gemini...?

as far as childhood goes... it's hard to say... he grew up without a mother... (she left him and his brother when he was born) but he never knew her so it's not like he misses her or anything... he's always had a good relationship with his family... his dad, particularly, since he raised him entirely by himself. He always speaks very fondly of his childhood and of his family.

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posted March 31, 2009 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
I'm glad I didn't offend and that you were not offended.

I would definitely say wait it out until Venus goes direct, and you'll probably get a clearer idea of what's up with him.

Check his transits, too.

It's good to hear that you have some Neptune influence yourself, since it looks like he does want that in a woman (with his Moon and Venus there in the 12th, speaking of the kind of woman he likes), and also that your Venus in Aries likes an element of unpredictability.

It looks like it's hard for him to be objective when he communicates.
I don't know about Chiron - that's generational, so everyone around those years will have a Chiron in Gemini.

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etherealenlightenment
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posted March 31, 2009 10:08 PM           Edit/Delete Message
oh ok... i understand what you meant about the chiron...

well... other than the obvious venus rx... he does not really have any major transits going on... pluto conj. neptune... but that's it... however... it does look like he has some really nasty personal planet squares and oppositions happening almost every day for the next few weeks...

i'm away at my mom's for two weeks... and so i guess since we live together it may be a good thing that we're spending some time apart... while he's having these astrological events going on...

is it just me or is just one thing after another?! (astrologically speaking about the transits) lol

but once again... i dont mean to pester but do you see any aspects in his chart that may show a tendency to succumb to tempation? i.e. unfaithfulness?

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etherealenlightenment
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posted March 31, 2009 10:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message
well... never mind lol... he has venus square neptune transit... could that be a good explanation??

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posted March 31, 2009 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, Venus square Neptune (transit) can make someone ultra dreamy. But it's the Rx Venus doing it....so it's not long-lasting. If it was other way around with Neptune squaring Venus that might be more tricky.
But when I had this I was not really in the mode to cheat at all....just hyper idealistic and ALL ABOUT THE LOVE. lol.

More later, I'll look into it for you.

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etherealenlightenment
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posted March 31, 2009 11:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message
oh thank you!! i would very much appreciate you looking into it for me... i meant would the uranian energy since it's so pronounced make him prone to cheating or some form of dishonesty...

i know you must be busy, so it would mean a lot to me if you looked into it a little bit more.

Thanks again!

Sasha

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posted March 31, 2009 11:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
I know what you mean about those transits...one thing after another, drives me crazy

I don't really know if Uranus peregrine like that in the 5th would mean cheating necessarily. Like, I have Uranus in aspect only to my moon, an opposition, and a lot of people would say that would maybe be a cheating aspect...but I've never cheated, and I'm 35, so there goes that theory !

I have dated a guy with Uranus in the 5th and he cheated a lot. I dated another with Uranus in the 5th who was completely opposed to cheating, never would (as far as I know).

I think Uranus in the 5th can be tricky because they do find themselves in 'odd' situations romantically....complicated ones. That might or might not include cheating.
It's hard to tell....Uranus is there by itself, not making an aspects. It's definitely a 'wild card' when it's without aspect...can come out in any way, but particularly a 5th house way, which can mean romantically, or even artistically.
But I just noticed his Uranus is also Rx, so it might not be bad as that. Maybe it's less pronounced since it's restrained somewhat.

I wish I could say for sure....sorry
I don't really think there's a way to tell 100% but I do think he's got the chart of someone who can get away with it IF he wanted to do it....that's a big IF though.

Hope that helps

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etherealenlightenment
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posted April 01, 2009 12:13 AM           Edit/Delete Message
no i understand... it does help a little bit... knowing that it's rx... but there was this thread i read just now that really got my head spinning...

Venus Square Neptune

Rocky and unstable relationships could now crumble, or you may
look elsewhere for emotional and physical satisfaction.
Therefore secret love affairs are now possible. You may also now
choose to escape into the past as a welcome relief from the
problems and responsibilities of the present. Postpone major
financial decisions until stability returns into your life.

HELPP!!!

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posted April 01, 2009 12:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Sure, but we all have those transits, but we don't all cheat

What makes you think he's cheating anyway?
Asides astrology, I mean? If you don't mind me asking....
You don't have to say if you do not feel comfortable.

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etherealenlightenment
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posted April 01, 2009 12:47 AM           Edit/Delete Message
well... i dont know... i guess i dont really have any REAL reason to... but i've been cheated on many times in the past... and i guess a part of me is afraid... things have been rocky for the past 3 months or so... one challenging transit after another... at the beginning of February I was going through a Saturn opposing Mars transit on DC which led to me developing a very severe deppression...

He is a very happy-go-lucky guy, maybe because of a Jupiter singleton? and he's never had issues like that nor has he ever witnessed someone going through something so severe... on top of the depression i also have PMDD which makes me UNBEARABLE to be around when im on my period... all of these things have strained our relationship to a degree even though he was very supportive and was there for me every step of the way...

then venus went rx and it all went downhill from there... we both say that we really want the relationship to work and understand that's not going to be easy... but nothing worth it ever is... and then we moved in with his brother who is a genuine "woman-hater/genius at manipulation" who was constantly trying to get scott to break up with me... scott made his decision not to because he said that he's sick of taking the easy way out all of his life... apparently he's known for always taking the path of least resistance...

the part where it began to get kind of fishy was when he told his brother because it would be "easier" that way... that when i go out of town i would be gone for good... and so he kept the secret from his brother and actually just told him today the truth... but he went as far as taking all my clothes and trying to find a storage unit for them so his brother would not think i'm coming back!! his explanation for this is that he wanted to give his brother some time while i'm away to make peace with the fact that i'm coming back and maybe him and i could find a place of our own.

he drove me all the way to my mother's house (5hrs away) met my family, and hung out with me for a day... so that put my mind at ease a little bit but...

before he left this morning he was IMing and i asked him if it was his brother and he said that it was somebody else... he usually doesn't say that... he usually says "my friend so and so..." and then he was very quick about exiting out and shutting down the computer... i had noticed him talking to some strange girl that he's never told me that several times before... even though he's told me countless times that he's not looking for anyone else... he's found the person for him... and that if he didnt want me he'd just flat out tell me...

idk... that incident with the IM made me kind of suspicious...

am i just being paranoid??

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posted April 01, 2009 02:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
No, I'd be paranoid as well. His brother sounds like a real piece of work, and he obviously has some real influence over Scott (or else he would not go through all the trouble he's gone through to 'make him get used to' anything). So yes, it sounds like he's trying to appease his brother AND do the right thing, but it also sounds hard for him. He seems really non confrontational.

It sounds like he cares for you but sounds like he has no idea how to go the distance and that he's willing to try but also cares far too much about his brother's opinion.
The circumstances you're in are just odd. You guys should not be living with his brother - I can't imagine how negatively this would affect your relationship, even if you avoided him. You'd be on his brother's 'territory', and fair game for any kind of manipulation stunts he my pull. You need to have some kind of neutral territory so that you two are on a more even basis.

I don't know what to think of the IM, but it seems to me, with the way things are for you right now, I can see it being easy for you to think he might be cheating or getting ready do, even if he isn't. The relationship is not in a secure place, and neither are you (with the living situation), so no wonder you feel up in the air. When it's like this, anything seems possible, and worst case scenarios are going to be easy to to consider.
So just try and relax for the next few days until you see what's going on. It's not just cheating that's the issue right now; it sounds like his brother is the major problem right this second. Scott sounds like he's got some serious choices to make, and I hope he makes the right ones and just takes charge of this situation instead of the 'easy way out' (I must admit though: what he's doing is skirting non-confrontational and difficult, and he need to take a stand so that your confidence in him will increase....his ability to handle stress and conflict sounds like it's problematic.)

I hope I don't seem too heavy-handed here or too intrusive.

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etherealenlightenment
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posted April 01, 2009 02:22 AM           Edit/Delete Message
no not at all... yes scott avoids conflict at all costs... and that's why he wants us to get our own place... and he told his brother today... im away at my mom's for 2 weeks... and that im coming back whether he likes it or not... and that he's just going to have to get used to it... so there's a start

he says that he's happy with me... and he is going to try to work it out b/c i have the qualities that he looks for in a person and that he accepts me and cares about me a lot... and knows that it wouldn't be easier with anyone else... and that he does not want to be like his father or brother... both single... his brother 2 years older than him... only had 1 gf... and his dad 45 and still single as well...

i dont mean to treat you like a relationship counselor lol but i just don't know what to do... i mean we're both committed to making it work but i dont know how long it will take to make the relationship stable again...

and the reason i thought of infidelity is because... well... that transit... the whole thing with uranian energy that he has... me gone for 2 weeks... idk... i am just thinking the worst probably... he's told me in the past that he sees cheating as definite grounds for breakup... he sees it as betrayal... that kind of thing... so at least we're on the same page...but it's like we've already taken so many blows... and we've made it thus far, although things are a little rocky....

lol any advice? i really appreciate you talking to me about this...

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posted April 01, 2009 02:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Have you done a composite chart for you guys yet? It might be good to look into/put up.

Advice...hmmm. Sounds like you two have you hands full. I admit, it sounds like the males in his family haven't been the greatest of role models. Granted, I don't know much about his father, only that he's single from what you've said. But it also seems like there's no females which have been present as any kind of role model to look at for the female model. That does make it hard for him I think. I think this is why I was looking at the 4th house. It seems like he's the emotional one in the home front. He provides a level of emotional 'stabilization' to an extent. This might be another reason why his brother doesn't want to 'share' him.
It seems like Scott can be highly intuitive .... but yeah, one of you guys needs to 'lead' right now to get things rolling, and it seems like a new thing for him, so he's definitely in new territory, trying to make things work and not run away, and being dedicated. Sounds like he wants to break a pattern, and I think that's admirable, so I think it's good.

It seems like you guys (especially him) are being tested to MAKE things stable....and he wants to try. So this is a big test here, and time will tell. The next two weeks are all about him, since there's so much he has to do. All you can can really do is let him know you're there for him in case he needs your support. That's really all you can do at the moment. Give him hope, stand back, and watch what he does, because time will tell. I'm sure he realizes this though; it sure sounds like he knows. It looks like he doesn't feel very good about the situation, and is probably feeling rather self-conscious about it. And it does seem like it's important for you to SEE him take charge of things, to exert some kind of authority over things so that he can deal with conflict in the future too. It's a test of sorts you two are going through.

I'm sure it can work if he takes a chance and tries something new and can keep up the pace. I know it's hard because you feel like you're holding your breath. Just try and let it go for now, and try not to let the worst come into your mind. Try and relax, because he will be in contact. I think it's important to just watch here, and see what he does

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etherealenlightenment
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posted April 01, 2009 03:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Thank you so much... that last message really did put my mind at ease a little bit... i really do hope things will work out... thank you very much for your help... ill keep you posted!! that is if you dont mind... and if you ever need advice (which i doubt you'll need any from me) but if you ever do, i would be more than happy to return the favor!!

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etherealenlightenment
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posted April 01, 2009 03:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message
oh and another thing... i always forget something dont i...

his father is actually a very good man... too good according to scott... every woman he's ever dated has walked all over him... and another detail... he's from WV... and from what i see when it comes to women... it's slim pickings... so that does not help...

but yes you pretty much hit the nail on the head with him being very intuitive and his brother not wanting to share him b/c of "stabilizing" quality...

i'll post a chart of our composite too

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etherealenlightenment
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posted April 02, 2009 11:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message
MVM,

i tried to do a composite chart online but i dont know if it will do me any good since i'm not 100% about my exact birthtime... also my ascendant is libra but astro.com calculates that it's virgo... have you ever had any issues with that website if you've used it? anyway... just trying to take your advice... please let me know if maybe there's a reason for the ascendant change...

Thanks so much!

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