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Topic: Pluto went Retrograde=)
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cheshirekat unregistered
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posted April 04, 2009 07:33 AM
So what does one do during a Pluto Rx? Anyone have any plans? Are there going to be any rebirths, transformations, shedding, and stuff like that?IP: Logged |
DepTaurus Knowflake Posts: 35 From: canada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 04, 2009 07:38 AM
really already good maybe now it wont conjunct my uranus and neptune and saturn while it opposes my jupiter.IP: Logged |
evander Knowflake Posts: 19 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 04, 2009 07:55 AM
just last night i decided to go to psychoanalysis therapy. and i started having weird vivid dreams again ...I'm looking forward to the possible improvement of my current state IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 247 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted April 04, 2009 11:41 AM
How odd. I had some very vivid dreams last night as well. I haven't in some time. I'm wondering what it means when Pluto goes Rx....what is it supposed to mean? IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 163 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 04, 2009 11:58 AM
I had weird dreams this morning.Today transiting Pluto goes Stationary Retrograde in 3'18 Capricorn in my 4th house.California at 10'35 AM It will be be squaring my Pluto in 0'51 Libra in 1st, Moon/Sedna midpoint(in minor grand trine to my Moon sextile Sedna) in 2'38 Aries,Venus/Ceres midpoint in 2'52 Libra. will sextile my Moon in 3'11 Pisces - exact April 26th will square my Venus/Ceres in 2'52 Libra exact - May 16th will square my Moon/Sedna midpoint (in minor grand trine to my Moon sextile Sedna) in 2'38 Aries - exact May 27th will trine my Sedna in 2'06 Taurus r - exact June 18th will square my Mercury/Ceres midpoint in 1'08 Libra - June 16 - July 28 will conjunct my Venus/Node midpoint in 2'08 Libra R - June 17 - July 28 will square my Pluto in 00'51 Libra - exact August 15th Pluto goes stationary direct on Sept 11,2009 in 00'39 Capricorn square my Pluto in 00'51 Libra in 1st square my Mercury/Ceres midpoint in 1'08 Libra The Retrograde Pluto transit in my chart is definitely about spirituality,transformation,healing for me Yesterday, I put in an ad at craigslist asking for volunteers to be practice people do free therapeutic massage on to prepare myself for volunteer massage therapy work in the summer of this year which will prepare me to open up my holistic healing practice in the fall of this year. I rearranged things in my studio apt, I got rid of old papers,etc. I made new files for my papers. I called to register for CHILDREN OF THE NEW EARTH CONFERENCE which is about neurodivergent children. The person who is directing it is a member of Spiritual Life Center (interfaith unity church that I have been going to), and she even admitted that she is a neurodivergent with ADHD. She and I are meeting tomorrow. I believe that this is a step closer to being a neurodiversity advocate. I do plan on using the church as a stepping stone to forming a nonprofit neurodiversity organization in the future. I watched THE SECRET twice before going to bed. I am going to keep watching it too to get my mind more into positive thinking. I have been seeing a shaman weekly for healing,and I will definitely be seeing him during the Pluto transits...even until he moves to Hawaii 2 years from now. He and I are good friends now. Events in chronological order that fit with the retrograde Pluto transit
I will start practicing my therapeutic massage on volunteers next week as well as refreshing myself on anatomy/physiology,pathology,and massage techniques. I will be attending my first Eckhart Tolle Power Of Now meetup on April 14th. I will be attending Eckhart Tolle A New Earth Class at Spiritual Life Center from April 27th - July 29th. I will be going to Spiritual Life Center new member orientation on May 9th. I will become a member of Spiritual Life Center on May 17th. After that, I will be doing volunteer stuff for the church I will be attending Children Of The New Earth Conference from May 29 - 31st. I will start my massage volunteer work in the summer to prepare myself for opening a Holistic Health Practice next Fall. I will start doing free Astrology readings in the summer too to prepare myself for opening an Astrology Practice next Fall. Pluto goes direct in 00'39 Capricorn on September 11th which is my maternal stepgrandmother's birth as well as anniversary of the 9-11 Terrorist attacks. I pulled out a tarot card from my Enchanted Tarot Deck (created by Amy Zerner and Monte Farber) in regards to what my life will be like during the retrograde Pluto transit.
3 of Wands Opportunity MESSAGE: You need to become more aware of opportunities that exist for you right now. There may be more than you realize. To best see and take advantage of them, you must concentrate,cooperate,and remain openminded.
OUTCOME: You will become aware of at least on great opportunity. It may not come in the form you expect. If you are alert,open-minded, and willing to cooperate, you will get your wish. The time to meet a great playmate, and maybe even your soulmate, may be here. With transiting Pluto in 4th, I know that my mother can figure into the transit. She has serious health problems from Diabetes and Hepatitis C. She got her leg amputated. Steve told me that she might not live that long and advised me to see her a lot. I feel that this transit has a lot to do about healing from my past in regards to how I was verbally/physically abused by her,completing letting go of all resentment towards her. I know that there is some there because it creeps into my dreams. I feel that transiting Pluto in my 4th in minor grand trine to my Moon in Pisces in 6th sextile Sedna in Taurus in 8th square my Moon/Sedna midpoint is to resolve emotional wounds,insecurities,and be transformed which will not only prepare for my soul purpose but also help me grow spiritually. I also believe that I will meet a special woman during this transit.
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Azalaksh Moderator Posts: 87 From: New Brighton, MN, USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 04, 2009 12:05 PM
It's good to see you "back" cheshirekat Pluto Retrograde 2009 APRIL 4 through SEPTEMBER 11 2009 In the natal chart, Pluto tends to operate even more Plutonian when it is retrograde. It is far more intense, it possesses a higher degree of concentration and it, therefore, gives greater insights into the subconscious. Because of this intensity, the individual can see much more than normally possible and it is easy to become suspicious of the motives of others. The powers of regeneration are far greater when retrograde. People with a natal retrograde Pluto have a tremendous ability to overcome major illnesses that might otherwise cause permanent disability. Remember, retrograde motion is always directed toward inner activity such as the psyche or psychological patterns that affect the physical body. Direct motion, on the other hand, is directed towards external circumstances. Under any Pluto transit, we feel pressured to eliminate and release the old, outworn, outdated and obsolete in our lives. When Pluto is transiting retrograde, we are urged to let go of attitudes, thinking or communication patterns, security drives, rigid emotions; a time to undergo an internal form of house cleaning. It is a good time to research into our own Souls in order to determine exactly what we do or do not need. Because Pluto retrograde imparts an intense power for investigation, we should use this time to assess what reoccurring patterns in our lives make us feel out of control, where and why do we continually give our power away, and under what circumstances do we react so defensively that we elicit attacks from others. Pluto retrograde marks a time wherein we should seek to gain greater control over our personal life; Pluto direct is better for gaining control over professional and financial areas. My most frequent observation of Pluto retrograde is that many people do seek some form of regenerative activity. I have seen people undertake a series of internal cleansings, detoxifying diets, Eastern disciplines that put them in touch with the inner self and even intense psychological reforms. More here: http://www.lynnkoiner.com/astrology-articles/pluto-retrograde IP: Logged |
Azalaksh Moderator Posts: 87 From: New Brighton, MN, USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 04, 2009 12:09 PM
Another excellent article:Jupiter Waxing Semi-square Pluto (March 27, 2009) Pluto Stationary Retrograde (April 4, 2009) Pluto in Capricorn (2008 – 2023/24) will make its first retrograde cycle entirely in the sign of Capricorn from April 4 through September 11, 2009, as it reverses from 3/4 degrees to 0/1 degree. This will be the first of 14 Pluto retrograde cycles within Capricorn, signifying our soul’s need for a complete overhaul of our relationships to money, resources, career, self-responsibility, self-determination, parenting and social maturation. This first retrograde cycle will show us where things are not working out in our life along these Capricorn archetypes, and the opportunities for evolution to the depth of our soul. The purpose of planetary retrograde cycles is to review the past and let it go where necessary. This creates a void in which new ideas, desires, beliefs and actions can come in – if – we do not fill it up with recycling the old for security reasons. Planetary retrogrades are opportunities to rebel. It takes courage to exercise the will and desire nature to move forward into an unknown future. Enter Pluto at its stationary points – retrograde and direct – and deep unconscious beliefs and desires of the soul come to the surface, getting our attention, forcing their way into our consciousness. When Pluto makes its annual stationary point to reverse geocentric direction for five months, it is easier to recognize those desires of the soul which are not working anymore. We may have exhausted the desire and yet it feels so comfortable that we keep repeating old patterns. We may feel frustrated by desires we cannot as yet seem to manifest, or control, in our lives. We experience soul dissatisfaction in the gazillion ways human consciousness can create it. The themes will run along inner and outer confrontations that clarify our soul’s deepest desires. Which desires are ready for release, as a result of our having exhausted a separating desire? Which new desires are emerging within us, at once silent as a whisper and screaming in our face? (continued here: http://www.evolutionaryastrology.net/forecasts/?p=176 ) IP: Logged |
gorgeousbutterfly unregistered
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posted April 04, 2009 12:22 PM
hehehe ray, i didn't know you used tarot! IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 247 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted April 04, 2009 12:28 PM
Zala, thank you for the helpful info Makes sense actually.... Let's see, I have Pluto square Pluto now, t Pluto oppose Saturn (but I have the square at 0 degrees in my natal so it's kinda not really felt for me in the transit), t Pluto square Mercury, and trine my Mars, and conjunct my NN. I've been thinking the past two weeks of doing more dreamwork, so this is interesting. I had no idea that Pluto was more intense during Rx....the stuff is more internalized. I'm working on my book and sex and death figure very prominently in it (especially death), now I'm getting to the meat of it and it's pretty intense. Writing about the stuff is hard, so I'm trying to release the energy through working out a little, walking more, because it's kind of hardcore stuff to work with. My desire for creativity feels like it's deepened into a sharp, hungry pang this past week too. I wonder if it's the effects of Pluto going Rx. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 247 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted April 04, 2009 12:32 PM
Do you like the Enchanted deck, Glaucus? I wasn't nuts about it, but it is lovely. I just bought a new tarot deck myself....getting sick of my Thoth deck. I bought the Robinwood deck, kind of a departure from the intensity of Thoth.It's funny, I was thinking of major arcana cards for the transits. Maybe Pluto Rx in general would be: The Hanged Man The High Priestess The Magician I don't know what else. I'll have to pull a card for this transit for personal use too! IP: Logged |
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posted April 04, 2009 01:02 PM
I had a very vivid dream this morning, too. I actually had a dream that basically came true last week (really stupid, simple one but still..)Pluto has been getting closer to conjuncting my Neptune (5 cap) and Sun (7 cap). Now RX it's moving closer to conjuncting my Mercury (29 sag). ------------------ Capricorn sun / Scorpio rising / Sagittarius moon IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 163 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 04, 2009 01:16 PM
Yeah I like the Enchanted Tarot Deck. I had Monte Farber's Karmic Cards which are astrological cards. I had the Robin Wood tarot deck before. I have Arthurian Legend tarot deck since 1998. At Intuitive Healing Festival on March 15th of this year, I bought The Quest tarot deck from the creator and the person who gave me a tarot reading. Raymond
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Plutonian Persona Knowflake Posts: 37 From: Denver, CO, USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 04, 2009 01:40 PM
To make a general tie into Zala's posts, under any retrograde period I try to put in action the lessons that were presented during the planet's direct motion.The biggies right now are Saturn (4.5 months to my exact Saturn Return) and, of course, Pluto. It sucks that both are in Earth signs: lots of tossing and turning on the physical plane, but it's all for the best. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 247 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted April 04, 2009 01:52 PM
You're a Libra, aren't you Plutonian? With Pluto and Venus in the first....in what rising, I forget.....? I can't imagine all this earth activity is too comfy for your Libra sun. IP: Logged |
cristiname Knowflake Posts: 11 From: Earth. Welcome! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 04, 2009 02:04 PM
evander, may I ask - which of your houses is Pluto transiting (as you decide for therapy).I have Pluto transiting my 11th. Today, one of my closest friends simply forgot to take me on the trip we planned last week. I remembered about it yesterday, and yet - I did not call her either. I'm not upset. I've known this for a while and now, it's like time to act on it: I don't really like spending time with her boyfriend's friends. they're nice, but just not right for me. And he's driving scares me too much to ever put my life in his hands again gosh. where am I going to find new friends at my age? IP: Logged |
evander Knowflake Posts: 19 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 04, 2009 02:18 PM
no prob it's transiting center of my 9th house. which has a stelium in it, conjuncting Saturn 3 of Cap, Uranus 0 of Cap and if it goes back to sag Mercury at 25 Sag my high education life isn't exactly blooming right now also. ------------------ sag sun, cap moon,sag mercury, aries mars, scorpio venus IP: Logged |
cristiname Knowflake Posts: 11 From: Earth. Welcome! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 04, 2009 07:20 PM
thanx for answering! I'm thinking therapy may bring the issue of letting something go for good (Pluto conj Saturn brings some sort of loss) in order to grow, to enlarge your scope (the 9th house). in this way, you get the better side of therapy (you don't spend too much time digging in the past, you're growing towards your future). cool. I hope you enjoy it! IP: Logged |
Plutonian Persona Knowflake Posts: 37 From: Denver, CO, USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 04, 2009 09:07 PM
MVM: Libra Sun (28.5 degrees) with Libra Rising (23.5 degrees) and a whole bunch of Scorpio in the 1st (see my signature). My Pluto is in the 12th house conjunct the ascendant.It think it's the Scorpio that hates it more than the Libra. I can't stand change and having my very detailed structures and routines implode on me is very discomforting. Saturn is making a sextile to the beginning of my stellium right now (Moon/Venus); Pluto was just about to trine my Virgo Jupiter. BIG changes are on the way, I guess it's time to be the phoenix again...with my Pluto where it is crisis is only natural. ------------------ Pluto conjunct Sun/ASC Pluto sextile Mars Pluto square MC/Juno Pluto trine Pallas 1st House Scorpio Moon, Mercury, Venus, & Uranus. "We learn more about ourselves in death than we do when we are alive." IP: Logged |
cheshirekat unregistered
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posted April 04, 2009 09:44 PM
I forgot Pluto can be healing and theraputic.x.x When I think of Pluto, I always think of some significant change that has to take place in life but healing sounds nice right now.Pluto Rx is in my 12th house and I have already gone through the task of rethinking my whole life but the lonliness from it is stiffling but Venus Rx brought up some old friends and not lovers, so that was nice. So it's Pluto trine Sun, Moon square Pluto, Mars trine Pluto,Saturn sextile Pluto, Pluto conjuct Asc. T_T... As for last night my Pluto Rx started off with a severe cramp right around 12 >.<and lasted four hours, as they usually do and then I went to bed and I had a very strange and vivid dream about M&M's styling and grooming their hair and chatting amongst themselves. X.X; Zala-Thanks for those descriptions and thanks for the welcome back. I didn't know it would last until Sept.11.I will be in Arizona in college around that time. Talk about change.. Anyways everyone keep updating about your experiences with Pluto Rx, I am curious. IP: Logged |
Dazzled Knowflake Posts: 7 From: It's a Fine City. Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 05, 2009 04:18 AM
It was the Qingming Festival(清明节 on April 4th. Literal translation is Clear and Bright festival. Tomb-Sweeping or Memorial Day might be a clearer of picture of what is done.We revisit the Dead and remember them. Going back to the past and honouring the Departed. Very befitting a Pluto Retrograde. People would prepare offerings and food and place them on altars. They'll then invite their dead ancestors to partake of the food. They'll make prayers, offering incense to the Buddhas and the Dead and burn joss paper(hell notes, and even paper cars/figurines/credit cards and other daily stuff!). Might seem morbid to some. Places ashes of the deceased in urns and venerating them. But it's actually a custom of remembrance and respect and is even cathartic. More info here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qing_Ming_Jie On another similar note, I went to watch a movie recently. The English title is 'Departures', nope nothing to do with tourism but you guess it! Death. Departures of the Living. It's a Japanese movie, some of you might have heard of it considering it won a Best Oscar for a Foreign film. Its Japanese title is, おくりびと (Okuribito). I highly recommend this beautiful and moving film with wonderful music. I have a particular fondness for cello pieces so the music was really a great plus. My friend couldn't stop sobbing and I had silent tears coursing down my cheeks for a few scenes. Here's more info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Departures_(film) Themes about letting go and remembering... Pluto weaving its Power here.
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posted April 05, 2009 05:36 AM
Did anyone notice, that Pluto made a square to Retro-Venus, when it went retograde? I wonder what that means. Especially since I am having a square of Venus-Pluto natally, I`m always curious about that aspect (my Venus is 6 Capricorn and Pluto is 9 Libra, so it isn`t connected to the current squrae, event hough tr-Venus conjuncts my IC)IP: Logged |
cristiname Knowflake Posts: 11 From: Earth. Welcome! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 05, 2009 08:31 AM
that square, from some sitedramatic or intense encounters in fiscal, romantic dealings or social life. There'll be a clash, a wall to breach; or an opportunity to end something and begin anew. Don't get swept away by the feelings. Negotiate! BUT it only matters according to the natal house they're in; and IF they make any aspects to natal. IP: Logged |
Dulce Luna Knowflake Posts: 7 From: The Asylum, NC Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 05, 2009 09:54 AM
Pluto is in my 12th right now and you know what's weird? I had a dream last night that I got to relive an event from like months ago, and I had the chance to avoid making the same errors I did. Things still turned out the same though...but I ended up talking to the person (in the dream) involved and we learned alot about eachother. I wonder if retro pluto is trying to teach me an obvious lesson. LOL O__o IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 163 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 05, 2009 10:48 AM
also Pluto is a very spiritual planet. After all, it orbits beyond not only Saturn, the planet of the physical boundaries but also Neptune,the planet of the dissolution of boundaries. The more outer an object is, the more metaphysically oriented it is. Jeffery Wolf Green even said that Pluto has to do with soul evolutionary intent,and that's what he focuses mainly on in his evolutionary astrology. But his system of Astrology was created before the Kuiper Belt was discovered which helped astronomers realize that Pluto is one of many kuiper belt objects just like Chiron is one of many centaurs and Ceres is one of many asteroids. I like that Philip Sedgwick referred to the kuiper belt objects as intensified evolutionary objects.
What I think about Pluto and other kuiper belt objects is that these energies are so hard to handle to the point that they can feel that it's a fatalistic energy in that you think that you're not in control of your life in a way. It's like life throws you major lessons that are meant to eliminate ego boundaries in a way. If you keep fighting the process, the more life will seem to hurt until you realize your soul purpose.
Just today, I am starting to realize that the universe was hinting to my path of helping my fellow neurodivergents/special education all along as something or somebody reminded me of my special education past. I felt that the universe gave me opportunities,but I turned them down out of fear of failure. It was only when I started facing my past and started running away from it, I became aware of who and what I really am. It took my finding my father in the social security death record index online that made me want know more about my father which made me want to learn more about myself. I never knew my father,but it seems that I was a lot like him. at the time that found my father on New Year's eve before 2003 transiting Pluto semisextile my Mercury with 3 minutes of arc applying and contraparallel my Pluto with 19 minutes of arc applying transiting Haumea trine my North Lunar Node in Aquarius in 5th exact and trine my Midheaven in Gemini with 45 minutes of arc applying transiting Ixion conjunct my Jupiter in Sagittarius in 3rd with 19 minutes of arc applying In March 2003, when I realized that I wasn't bipolar but a Dyslexic,Dyspraxic who was misdiagnosed after finally asking my mom why I had speech problems that got me placed in special education and her telling me the truth that led me to do research online about these things,it was a new beginning. That new self awareness began my fascination with neurodivergence and my intense research into these things to understand myself. The more I understood myself,the more I understood my father. When my mom told me that she can relate to a lot of the neurodivergent symptoms, I started to understand my mother more and that I come from a neurodivergent family on both sides. The more I read about neurodivergent conditions, the more I wanted to raise awareness about them to help my fellow neurodivergents be understood. I definitely wanted to help neurodivergent children. I ended up helping parents understand their children, but also felt disgusted with all the drugging that children were going through for just being like me. I wanted to do something about that. The passion of neurodiversity advocacy Transiting Quaoar was squaring my Virgo Ascendant less than 1 degree applying,transiting Makemake was sextile my Mercury in Scorpio in 3rd with less than 30 minutes of arc applying and transiting Varuna was quincunxing my Midheaven with a few minutes of arc during my finding myself as a neurodivergent kuiper belt objects are no joke. Pluto's brothers are not to be underestimated imho. I believe that are just as important in the evolutionary process.
with that in mind, transits involving Pluto and and the other kuiper belt objects can indicate events,circumstances,people that help you deeply understand yourself that you realize your soul purpose. If you fight against them, then life can seem to really hurt....especially if you have hard kuiper belt transits going on. They can be a time of having great power, but with it comes responsibility. It's not a power that you use for your own benefit. It's a power that you use for the benefit of others....for the collective. It's a transpersonal energy. retrograde Pluto and other kuiper belt transits could be about reassess any power issues and letting go of them as going through the dark tunnel and ultimately meeting a light at the end of it. It's about a time that confronting your darkside,your shadow in the hidden depths of your unconscious mind which can be an unconscious confrontation like confronting your fears,past traumas but also fighting "demons" as well as other archetypal creatures of darkness as you learn to let go of fear,anger,resentment,and other things that can lead you to a dark path. You realize that you're not a victim but a survivor. You realize that everything that you have gone through are lessons to be learned and prepare you for your life purpose. You see the big picture.
Raymond
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posted April 06, 2009 04:12 PM
i know what is that...Tr Pluto is now near my IC...IP: Logged | |