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darkdreamer
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posted April 09, 2009 10:48 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It`s spring, time for the hormones to do a little tango, so I thought, maybes some is interested in talking about the real interesting asteroids? Those, who bring that superficial, heady and sensual stuff into our lives, because of which most people enjoy the spring so much?


I thought that those asteroids might have a little relation to this:

Vesta
BML h13 (the true BML)
Eros 433
Anteros 1943
Lust 4386
Pan 4450
Sappho 80
Adonis 2101
Aphrodite 1388
Apollo 1862
Cupido 763


Does anyone want to share something about these?
Maybe a little story about how they worked in a synastry (how shortlived ever)?
Did you feel anything, when those were tightly aspected?
Interesting natal positions?


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posted April 09, 2009 10:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love sensuality and wonder if my Adonis conjuncting my Mars is the reason. My Venus is Virgo and that could account for it.

Here's an exciting synastry for me with the 'juicy' asteroids:

Them/Me

Cupido conjunct Jupiter 2*
Eros conjunct DSC 3*
Sun conjunct Lust 3*
Siva conjunct Sappho 0*
Psyche conjunct Aphrodite 1*

Continuing with some other 'juicy' asteroids......

Valentine conjunct IC 0*
Venus conjunct Juno 3*
Venus conjunct BML 1*
Lust conjunct DNA 1*
Moon conjunct Siva 1*

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posted April 09, 2009 11:07 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Sun conjunct Lust 3*"
So their general being turns you on? Lust is of course not so much sensual, as you know what.... :blush:

"Venus conjunct Juno 3*"
This one is said to be the "orgasmic linkage" according to magi.
I don`t really like Magi astrology (anymore), but I love their labelling of aspects. lol

Juno - I am on the fence with this one, juicy or not?
But with Venus, definitely romantic and sensual due to Venus`sensuality.

"Venus conjunct BML 1*"
Jesus!
BTW who is being pushing whom over the edge?
I always wanted to know who feels that insatiable, almost frightening, uncontrollable hunger, Venus or Lilith?


"Lust conjunct DNA 1*"
So your physique, your genetic code, everaything you are - bio-chemically speaking- is a turn on for them. Wow!

How was the sex?
Sorry, I know that was inappropriate. Just ignore it.

Hey I should feel hurt and depressed, the Fullmoon is conjunct my Chiron on 20 Aries, but of course it is also conjunct my DNA on 20 Libra and conjunct my Sappho and squaring my Eros-Pan-Vertex-conjunction and opposing my Sun-Moon-mp.

And I WAS depressed this morning. Very much. Now I am just, well, you know, silly.

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darkdreamer
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posted April 09, 2009 11:27 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HIs planets first, my planets second:


BML conjunct Valentine 0
Cupido conjunct ASC 0
Cupido conjunct NN 2
Cupido conjunct Mars 2
Cupido conjunct Neptune 2
Cupido conjunct Lust 0
Apollo conjunct Pluto 0
Apollo conjunct Aphrodite 3,5
Sappho conjunct Moon 2

Vertex conjunct Eros 3
Lust opposes Anteros 2
Chiron opposes Aphrodite 0
Moon conjunct Adonis 0
Moon conjunct Apollo 0
Uranus conjunct Sappho 0
Neptune conjunct Lust 1
ASC conjunct Lust 1,5
Vertex conjunct Pan 3

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posted April 09, 2009 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey girls,
How are you both? I've missed you!
I thought i'd join this thread as l need a bit of a distraction today and l do love these juicy asteroids

gun man/me
sun conjunct anteros (0)
moon conjunct sappho (2)
moon opposing apollo (2)
venus opposing cupid (1)
saturn conjunct lillith (1)
saturn opposing adonis (0)
cupid conjunct sun (3)
juno opposing neptune (3)
eros opposing uranus (2)
eros opposing pluto (2)
DNA conjunct adonis (1)
eros conjunct DNA (3)
vesta opposing pan (0)
lilith opposing vesta (0)
eros opposing pluto (2)
pluto conjunct eros (4)
eros conjunct vesta (3)
anteros opposing neptune (0)
lust conjunct anteros (3)
pan opposing adonis (2)
cupid opposing juno (3)

a hottie/me
venus conjunct adonis (3)
neptune opposing lilith (3)
neptune conjunct adonis (1)
NN conjunct lust (0)
juno conjunct pluto (0)
juno opposing DNA (1)
juno conjunct DNA (0)
vesta conjunct pluto (0)
lilith conjunct adonis (1)
eros conjunct juno (3)
eros opposing sun (4)
anteros conjunct juno (1)
lust conjunct eros (0)
aphrodite conjunct pan (1)
adonis conjunct adonis (2)
apollo opposing cupid (2)
cupid conjunct neptune (4)
AC opposing lust (1)

Sorry if some of these are irrelevant, my brain is dead today.

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posted April 09, 2009 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just want to point out that true Black Moon Lilith (h13) is not an asteroid. It's not even a physical object.

It's the lunar apogee, and it's opposite point is the lunar perigree. It's an axis.

The lunar apogee is the point of the Moon's orbit most distant from the Earth. The lunar perigree is the closest point of the Moon's orbit to the Earth.

the apogees,perigrees are just abstract points like the nodes


all physical objects have perigree/apogee axises and nodal axises


the point of an object's orbit most distant from the Sun is called aphelion. The point of an object's orbit closest to the Sun is called perihelion.

it's very important to understand that black moon lilith is not a physical object and that it's based on the Moon's orbit because then you understand that the black moon lilith is about lunar energy,symbolism.
In this case, it's more of a shadow side of the Moon which is not necessarily a bad thing.


my Sun conjuncts retrograde true Black Moon Lilith with 21 minutes of arc, and I believe that it indicates my liberalism, feminism,strong feminine nature as my father having those traits. I read that black moon lilith is a point of rejection. I never knew my father. I also fought against my stepfather,and I haven't seen him since 1991. I feel that my mom embodies Lilith in my life. She has a lot of Lilith traits. I grew up loving but also hating her and fearing her at the same time. I know that as her son and that this is my chart, these same energies are in me, and I have to keep the black moon lilith traits in check. I am also no stranger to succubus dreams/sleep paralysis that scare the hell out of me.
the black moon lilith being based on the moon's orbit can be connected to the unconscious.


anybody angles,planets aspecting my Sun will aspect my true Black Moon Lilith because they are in conjunction. There could be a strong emotional connection....the hard aspects could indicate that I am too erratic,liberal,emotional,feminine for the person. The easier aspects, the person could be fine with my liberalism,emotionality,sensitivity and my overall feminine nature.


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darkdreamer
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posted April 09, 2009 04:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glaucus,

jip, already knew that about Black Moon Lilith.

Definitely lunar symbolism, but not in the maternal "cuddly" sense; more the shadow side of the Moon, which can sometimes almost appear a bit Plutonic.

Hey, we could also include asteroid Lilith here.

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darkdreamer
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posted April 09, 2009 04:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Lara,

hope you are doing well and are not too bored.

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posted April 09, 2009 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I had to point out that black moon lilith is not asteroid which you had listed it under. It's not a physical object. All physical objects have perigree/apogee and nodal axises. Black Moon Lilith doesn't have any of those because it's not a physical object for it's the lunar apogee.


but there is an asteroid called lilith, but it might have more different meaning from the black moon because it's an asteroid and not an abstract point.

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posted April 09, 2009 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love your reaction to BML conjunct Venus !!

Who pushed whom? Well, I certainly feel bulldozed with intoxicating emotion!!!!

If Neptune is conjunct name asteroid, plus the other combos, then...... whoa, I died and went to heaven

The physical intimacy? It never happened

His BML is conjunct your Valentine! I would imagine it's him feeling primal

His Vertex conjunct your Eros. His Moon conjunct your Adonis. Is he in love/lust with you?

Lara - you have 2 DNA conjunctions that look yummy!!

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posted April 09, 2009 08:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Asteroid Lilith

One Lilith is an asteroid, number 1181, orbiting with most of the other asteroids between Mars and Jupiter. The asteroids, considered fragments of a one-time planetary body, are facets of a larger whole. The asteroid belt is a thicket of archetypal material. I think of the female-named asteroids as various aspects of the Great Goddess. In this view, Lilith is one of the most ancient. The symbol for asteroid Lilith is a stylized hand, signaling warning, greeting, or blessing. The hand is one of the most ancient symbols used by humans, seen on petroglyphs and in cave drawings. Eastern images of gods and goddess show hand gestures, called mudras, that convey meaning. Perhaps the meaning of Lilithıs hand signal depends on how one approaches her.

Asteroid 1181, the most solid-bodied Lilith, orbits the Sun in around 4 years. In the classic book, Asteroid Goddesses, Demetra George and Douglas Bloch discuss the mythology of asteroid Lilith in relation to issues of suppressed rage, resentment, sexual manipulation and self-exile. She is a fiercely independent goddess who refuses to submit to the assumed authority of another, to compromise her beliefs. As the original, first wife of Adam, created from the same God Power and the same Earth, she demanded an equal relationship. The man was not strong enough to agree, at least in that version of the story, at that time in history. Thatıs over 5,000 years ago. Weıve come a long way, baby? She asks us to deal with confrontation and issues of equality in relationship.

The asteroid seems to represent split off, demonized aspects of the feminine, the result of long-standing cultural projections that perceive powerful feminine roles and attributes as shameful, untrustworthy, and dangerous. Our personal Lilith placement may show where we struggle with social judgments that define how the feminine qualities should be expressed in order to "fit in." It is the point where we may most need to cast off socially-imposed role models of the feminine that deny her true instinct and vitality. These cultural definitions define us, but are not us. Here we may not be seen clearly. A prominent asteroid Lilith placement in the birth chart may indicate a person who does not fit the cultural stereotype, leading to some kind of exile from the community.


Dark Moon Lilith

Some say there is a second moon circling Earth--a mysterious dark moon. The Dark Moon has been reported for centuries, as far back as September 2, 1618, according to Delphine Jay in her book, Interpreting Lilith, placing this important sighting appropriately in the season of the Virgin Goddess. This Dark Moon is a second satellite of the Earth, one that is rarely seen because it reflects no light and can only be sighted on the few rare dates when the sky is dark and Lilith Dark Moon is either in opposition to or crossing the Sunıs face in conjunction with it. It is one-fourth the size of our familiar Moon, say astronomers who have viewed it, and three times as far away. It takes 119 days to orbit the Earth, about 10 days per sign.

Why havenıt we heard more about this second Moon? Perhaps it is the nature of Lilith. Her existence has not been completely verified. Dark Moon Lilith is like a sphere of dust, absorbing light rather than reflecting it. She holds in her darkness. Sister of our Eve-like Moon, they are like the bright Sumerian Goddess Inanna and her dark sister, Ereshkigal, exiled in the underworld. After her honeymoon fails to provide the happily-ever-after romantic dream, Inanna descends to her sisterıs realm, the underworld of the unconscious where the rejected Ereshkigal cries in pain and anger. The Dark Goddess takes one look at her luminous, beautiful sister who has gathered all the light and fixes her with the eye of death, freezing the growth of consciousness in the paralysis of repressed pain. Giving expression to the pain in some form releases us from our (often self-imposed) imprisonment in negative emotions. Lilith shows us the way, but she does not come out gently from behind her veil of night.

According to Delphine Jayıs research, the effect of Dark Moon Lilith is distinctly impersonal rather than subjective as with the Moon. Whereas the reflective Moon represents personal, subjective feelings, the Dark Moon represents a primal, objective, impersonal instinct that seeks identification beyond the physical and emotional realms. "This is the way it must be," she says clearly and definitively, like one of the Fates, the triple goddesses of karma. When her expression is denied or self-centered, she can be quite negative; when the emotional content is channelized into higher centers, she adds power to creative, mental or aesthetic expression, even to spiritual practice. "Lilith strictly symbolizes the objective thinking approach. Anything less is unsuccessful." (8) The Dark Moon point is where we are lured into our more self-centered illusions for the purpose of purging negative desires and grow beyond our habitual patterns of early Moon conditioning.


Black Moon Lilith

Perhaps the most subtle and intriguing of the three Liliths, Black Moon is not a physical body but an abstract, geometrical point, like the Ascendant or the Vertex. It is the second center of the Moonıs elliptical orbit around the Earth. An ellipse has two centers, rather than one like perfect circle. The Earth is one center and Black Moon Lilith is the other. Another way to describe this point is as the apogee of the Moonıs orbit--the place where it is the farthest from Earth.
The center of gravity between the Earth and Moon is inside the Earth. As part of the Earth-Moon system, Black Moon is a point or energetic vortex intimately bound to the center of the Earth. Black Moon and Earth are the two centers or the double center, around which the Moon orbits. Lilith is a twin to the core energy of the Earth, the deep heart of fire. This is the central fire that feeds and sustains our Earth bodies. The creative vitality of the Sun gives life to the Earth and fuels this central core fire. The center of gravity between the Moon and Earth is within the Earth. It is as if Black Moon pulls away from that center and brings the Moon closer to the Sun, Black Moon being the furthest point of the Moon from Earth.

Psychologist Robert Sardello, author of Facing the World with Soul, tells a story of Sophia, the feminine divine essence, always seeking union with the Spirit of God. The light of God was so brilliant, she was moving toward that, attracted to it. Then she was distracted by an equally bright light. She found herself trapped inside Earth, incarnated in physical matter, that is equally as divine. This central flame is the heart of Earth and sustains the spiritual life of Earth, as the materiality of earth nurtures and sustains our bodies. This flame reaches out from the center of Earth through all living beings, ever longing to merge with the Spirit of God. Found in the darkness, we seek her in the deepest recesses of our Selves. This is the impulse for the sacred inner marriage.

As a center point of the Moonıs orbit, Black Moon Lilith works in relationship with the Earth-Moon system and with the Sun. As a second center of reference, she gives a sense of rhythm to the Earth, taking the dynamics of relationship beyond the personal Moon-Venus energies into subtle dimensions that are essential to our reasons for being on and of Earth. Representing the closest reach of the Moon to the Sun, she is also a reference point in our personal lives that brings us into relationship with the heart of our Sun-fueled experience on Earth, an emotional intelligence informed by the wisdom of earthy instinct. Since our culture has lost, even rejected as Lilith was rejected, this kind of natural wisdom is more difficult to tap into and trust.


In this regard, Black Moon Lilith can have a strong impact of relationship dynamics. Relationships that involve Lilith energy are initiatory, soul-to-soul meetings that open into a deeper center where personal and impersonal experience merge. Can we trust this energy that is unraveling our edges, tapping into such a deep well? Can we trust ourselves?

The Black Moon point is where we are lured into the mystery. She insists that we feel through, let go, surrender to something essential and transparent in us that is primary, the bedrock beneath the shifting sands, the passion of the soul. It is a corridor into the heart through which we are lured to discover our deepest truth, the longings and yearnings of our souls and thereby leading us to the deeper truth within our heart, the longings and yearnings of our souls.

In Unremembered Country, Susan Griffin beautifully articulates the essence of this core energy:
As I go into the Earth, she pierces my heart. As I penetrate further, she unveils me. When I have reached her center, I am weeping openly. I have known her all my life, yet she reveals stories to me, and these stories are revelations and I am transformed. Each time I go to her I am born like this. Her renewal washes over me endlessly, her wounds caress me; I become aware of all that has come between us, of the noise between us, the blindness, of something sleeping between us. Now my body reaches out to her.

Black Moon symbolizes a central motivating factor that is subtle, unseen but felt. This Lilith taps into an urgent desire of the soul that seeks dramatization in life and will brook no denial. In a time such as ours of potent change, the Black Moon, with its underlying creative life force and spiritual impulse, illumines the inner pathway with the most heart for each seeker of Truth and Love.


The Lilith Star

Lilith has given her name to yet a fourth astronomical entity. The star Algol in the constellation Perseus, has a reputation as the most evil star in the sky. Most often envisioned as the Eye or Head of Medusa, Algol was also called Lilith by Hebrew star watchers.* (R.H Allen 332) Such an Eye perceives "with an objectivity, like that of nature itself and our dreams, boring into the soul to find the naked truth, to see reality beneath all its myriad forms and the illusions and defenses it displays," writes Sylvia Pereira as she describes Ereshkigalıs sword-like glance of death. When the Sumerian underworld goddess fixes her gaze upon us, our illusions about ourselves are stripped. Our motivations are bared. We see the truth and stew in our own juices, as we let go of self-deceptions and illusions. As the Wolf said to Little Red Riding Hood, "All the better to see you with, my dear."

Stellar Lilith, in the realm of the fixed stars, is located at 25 Taurus 28 in relation to the zodiac and culminates, or reaches its height in the sky, at 18 Taurus. Both of these points are potent Algol degrees, creating another kind of Lilith corridor. You may have your own position for Algol rising or setting, depending on where you were born.(see Brady) This star brings us into a large mythic drama, that involves Perseus and Andromeda, Cassiopeia and Cepheus, Pegasus and Cetus. The well-known Greek story has more ancient roots in Ethiopia and Libya, in the prehistory of the Amazon culture and the High Priestesses of Africa, revealing more dimensions of the power of the Great Mother.


The Trinity of Lilith

I find the three Liliths intriguing as a mirror of the triple goddess--and the star brings the trinity into a fourth dimension. Essentially Tantric, Lilith in her several forms transforms subjective to spiritual. Her impersonal energy opens transparent areas of the mind, not clouded by the weight of collective Judgement or limitations of ego identity. The three aspects vibrate at different frequencies, in chords and octaves, opening channels to clear and spiritualize the emotional body.

Dark Moon has the fastest orbital cycle, like a cloud passing across the Sun. With its very existence veiled in shadow, Dark Moon relates to highly individualized soul desires that are denied personal satisfaction for higher expression on social/spiritual levels.

The asteroid is not connected to the Moon as are the other two Liliths. It has an orbit of somewhat over four years and is the most embodied, a verified object with an official number. Asteroid Lilith about repressed elements that want full embodied expression, relating to issues of sexuality, anger, assertion and conflict resolution.

Black Moon is an energy vortex, an ancient pathway into incarnation and sword of truth. Its orbital cycle of eight years, ten months, coordinates with the Moonıs nodal cycles. Black Moon has deep instinctive intuition, will and desire power that can weave matter out of ether. Perhaps that why she comes in dreams, when our bodies and rational minds are asleep. Our thoughts are then turned off and she can whisper her secrets in images and even, perhaps, transport us to other realms. She is a weaver of the etheric and the physical, like the warp and woof of the loom. She weaves together the collective and the personal, as the myth becomes our experience to regenerate.

The Lilith Star, Algol, brings the energy into another dimension. Seemingly immortal in the ancient field of fixed stars, it contains a collective dimension of Lilith, that fixes her Eye on us dispassionately, winking mysteriously.
http://www.heliastar.com/triplegoddess.html

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Lara
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posted April 09, 2009 08:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DD, no not too bored lol
You should see my house, it now looks spotless


Koiflower - yes, yummy it is although to get this guy to even meet up for dinner is like pushing a wheelbarrow full of manure uphill!!!

I wonder what juno/DNA dw means? conjunct/opposition?
DD, do you have any idea please? Is it something to do with marriage

EDIT
OMG and l just looked at all the normal asteroids with DNA and found
his DNA conjunct my karma (0)
my DNA conjunct his moon (2) with guy 2
lol

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posted August 01, 2014 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leo-Dave     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know this is an old thread, but I would love to hear more opinions on these JUICY asteroids

I recently put ADONIS and APHRODITE in my natal, and they both came up conjunct sun/moon and trine MC.

ADONIS conjunct SUN +5
ADONIS conjunct MOON +4
ADONIS trine MC +4
APHRODITE conjunct SUN +2
APHRODITE conjunct MOON +1
APHRODITE trine MC +1

After my ex-wife left, I found Astrology. She is my guinea pig. I put ADONIS and APHRODITE in synastry with her and both came up almost exactly semi-sextile her MOON. How powerful is a semi-sextile? her Moon is in Virgo, all alone with no other planets anywhere near it.

She would always tell me, ( and other people including my mum who would laugh ) that I was the most beautiful man she had ever seen. I am also Leo Sun/Moon ( conjunct +1 ) and Scorpio Mars.

Now that she is gone, do you reckon she would still think I was beautiful? I would assume so, but maybe with a bit of spite thrown in.

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I have Aphrodite cj Adonis in synastry. Yes, he is my ideal man, even over any celebrity. I'm sure she still finds you attractive.

All the Liliths always confuse me. Luckily, asteroid Lilith cj my BML and Venus to make it easier.

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posted August 02, 2014 03:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
moving to Asteroid Astrology

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