posted April 15, 2009 02:00 PM         

Actually, Lara really does know better than I do, that's why I just erased what I wrote.

posted April 15, 2009 02:10 PM         

unless they changed their minds.

personally, I think that they have similar effect as oppositions but they also can be enhancement aspects

it's not all black and white....no pun intended

take for instance

I have Saturn oppose Neptune, and it's enhanced by Saturn contraparallel Neptune
I would say that the contraparallel enhances the challenges of the Saturn oppose Neptune

President Barack Obama has Sun trine Eris,and he also has Sun contraparallel Eris. I would say that the contraparallel works to enhance the easiness of the Sun trine Eris.

contraparallels can accompany both easy and hard aspects.

also contraparallel to the Ascendant,Midheaven,Vertex,North Node is not necesssarily difficult because it's a parallel to the Descendant,Imum Coeli,Antivertex,South Node.

also contraparallel figures into lunar eclipses

a lunar eclipse occurs when Sun and Moon are in both opposition and contraparallel

Raymond

posted April 15, 2009 04:13 PM         

I used to think so, too, but I've been studying some of the "supposed" new techniques, especially the Chiron stuff, and they are not too far off the mark with things. But I must say that whoever is in charge of their writing or marketing comes across as REALLY BRATTY!!! LOL!!! But as newer writings come up it's -just a little- less bratty.

posted April 15, 2009 04:14 PM         

The CLASHES are mainly:
chiron - venus/mars/jupiter/saturn/uranus/neptune/pluto.

posted April 15, 2009 04:24 PM         

also how do they view planets that are in both trine and contraparallel?

I also wonder when are they going to start using Chiron's fellow centaurs. Over 10 of them have names already. Heck..Chariko,the largest of the centaurs, is named after Chiron's wife.

posted April 15, 2009 04:29 PM           

since when did they degrade the contraparallel?
As far as I have read they considered the contraparallel almost as positive as the paralells, UNLESS Saturn was one of the planets involved.

But maybe you have more insight information? Did they release any new informations on this?

I don´t really buy all the harsh stuff about Saturn, but I have once did a little research regarding their Cinderella aspects, and was not little surprised to find that actually most of the synastries I had investigated had those aspects, especially Chiron-Neptune or Chiron-Venus, either in the declinations or in the longitudes.

posted April 15, 2009 04:32 PM         

It's like a tally system. They add up all the aspects and see what's what!

posted April 15, 2009 04:46 PM         

Get a lot of this! Here is something that Magi Society wrote about Sedna, calling it the Hammer of Thor. They actually say that it's an evil planet! They say that it's more destructive than Saturn!

SYMBOLISMS OF SEDNA

Sedna is the destroyer.

That is why we refer to Sedna as the Hammer of Thor.

Sedna destroys everything in its path. Saturn is also destructive but Sedna is actually more harmful than Saturn is, and Sedna has more destructive power than Saturn does.

This is a monumental discovery!

When Saturn knocks us down, we can usually get back up. If Sedna knocks us down, it follows up by pounding us into the ground – like a pile driver. Sedna is nasty and mean and possesses the instinct of a bloodthirsty killer. Sedna does not want us to be able to get back up after it knocks us down.

Sedna is symbolic of corruption, lies, and immorality of all kinds. Sedna is ruler of economic and social disasters and upheavals, and moral decay.

Sedna represents ILL-GOTTEN gains, wealth stolen from others, profits made illegally or unethically, or at the expense of others. Sedna also represents wealth accumulated from taking advantage of the weaknesses of others.

Sedna is a moral cancer within our society; Sedna seeks to destroy our moral fiber and our very soul.

In business matters, a corporation with strong Sedna aspects is essentially a vulture and will prey on customers who are morally weak, and sell products that corrupt our souls. Sedna promotes violence, horror and terror. (For example, Sedna aspects are plentiful in companies selling pornography and violent video games.)

Sedna is evil.

A Sedna business will leave its customers in the gutter after it has taken all their money and stripped them of self-dignity. (Drug dealers have lots of Sedna aspects in their birth charts.)

Sedna symbolizes drugs and prostitutes, products that promote violence and or emotionless sex.

Sedna is symbolic of anything that is anti-Christian. More than anything else, Sedna hates Christ and Christians.

Sedna has no conscience whatsoever.

“Good transits” by Sedna can bring wealth to the person having them. BUT whenever Sedna helps someone grab the loot, Sedna also corrupts the souls of the persons who are making the money, by making them totally selfish and greedy beyond comprehension. This attribute of Sedna is one reason there is truth to the old adage that money corrupts.

Sedna is ruler of corrupt money.

Sedna is so insidious that it helps nobody. During so-called “good transits” by Sedna, a person will make money – but the profits will corrupt the person’s soul to the very core. And then Sedna will eat the person alive.

Bad transits by Sedna are the worst transits you can have when it comes to both your money and soul. One set of bad Sedna transits can cut our personal net worth in half or more. But even worse, bad Sedna transits can make us completely lose our moral compass, making us willing to do anything, even break laws and hurt others, in order to make up our losses.

Compared to Sedna, Saturn is almost tolerable.

Saturn is still the bad planet. But Sedna is the really bad planet and intrinsically evil.

[On our websites, the Magi Society will use the term “Hammer of Thor” or just “Thor” to refer to Sedna because the terms are so fitting.]

http://www.magiastrology.com/Hammer_of_Thor_part1.htm

if they are looking at Sedna, well....what about Chiron's fellow centaurs, Pholus,Nessus,Chariklo,Hylonome,Asbolus,Elatus,Pelion,and other named centaurs. There are over 40 centaurs in our solar system.

Chiron is fascinating in that it was the first object discovered that is not an asteroid nor a planet in 1978. Then in 1992, Pholus was the 2nd one discovered. then the centaur discoveries kept on coming. Nessus was the first object that astronomers and astrologers corroborated on in regards to the naming.

I also can't wait to see what they write about Eris! hahahahaha

It's hard to take these people seriously.

also they rip off stuff from the Hamburg School like Magi Quads which are already known as planetary pictures in the Hamburg School.

btw I have a Moon,Neptune,Pluto,Sedna 12th harmonic Isosceles Trapezoid/Magi Quad. http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/Astynaz/12thHarmonicIsoscelesTrapezoid-1.gif

I also have Mercury,Saturn,Uranus,Sedna 11th harmonic Isosceles Trapezoid/Magi Quad. http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/Astynaz/11thHarmonicIsoscelesTrapezoid-1.gif

My Sun,Moon,Sedna are in 12th harmonic triangle called Wedge,and the configuration is narrower in Right Ascension.
http://s134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/Astynaz/?action=view¤t=SunMoonSednaW edge-1.gif
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/Astynaz/RightAscensionSunMoonSednaWedge.gif

Transiting Sedna just started opposing my Venus within 1 degree.

I don't use the Sedna energy like the Magi Society says. I use it for spirituality,compassion, and I will keep on doing that.....even with the opposition transit.

Raymond

posted April 15, 2009 04:54 PM         

Actually I think that when they update their information or how they view certain aspects, they don't update it everywhere on their websites so there's still a lot of misinformation printed on their website.