posted April 24, 2009 11:49 AM         

My question is how does she view Right Ascension and Declination? They have nothing to do with the ecliptic. Both of them are equatorial coordinates.

Do a planet and star connected by Right Ascension and Declination have a real connection?

Astronomers use both coordinates to locate objects. They don't use ecliptic coordinates.
I wonder if fixed star right ascension,declination coordinates could be more relevant in Visual Astrology.

She uses the Egyptian/Roman day
previous sunrise

what about Babylonian/Hebrew
previous sunset

what about Astronomical
local noon

what about Modern Day
local midnight

the parans vary according to the day that we use

it seems that the perception of what a day is relative and human-made construct.

Since we live in modern times, wouldn't it make sense to use a modern day paran method.

posted April 24, 2009 12:14 PM         

may be your role is to modernise it, make it sharper/ more actual. i think that like every modernisation in astrology, its only when an idea/concept got generalised in people's mind, when it took hold in the global unconscious, that it started to have any relevance.

what i mean is that other planets for example might rotate around the sun but because they have not been seen and are not generally accepted by everyone, they cannot be taken into account. but that doesn't mean that they don't exist. also, it is not because they are not being taken into account that they have no effect. they do. just we dont know about them.

i mean that may be we would interpret the caracteristics of the unknown planet by another planet already known. ex: some talk about nibiru. so whatever nibiru deals with, it is dealt by nibiru. and it is not because we dont know about the meaning of nibiru that it doesnt have any meaning. however i think until a global acknowledgment of nibiru activate its existence, nibiru attribute will be given to another, known planet. this is seen from human perspective. and it is only when the human perspective is widen to acknowledge something new that it becomes real, even though it was real before... just not real for us

good luck with your work glaucus.

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posted April 24, 2009 12:21 PM         

ecliptic longitude is the coordinate that astrologers in Astrology. They don't use ecliptic latitude. They use declination (equatorial latitude) instead of ecliptic latitude.

posted April 24, 2009 12:27 PM         

Visual Astrology is a system that uses only the objects that can be seen with the naked eye (Sun,Moon,Mercury,Venus,Jupiter,and Saturn)as well as use the objects in the actual constellations. For instance, my Sun is in the Virgin constellation even though it's in Scorpio in tropical zodiac. My Moon is in the Aquarius constellation even though it's in Pisces in tropical zodiac. The meanings of the constellations are different from the meanings of the tropical zodiac signs. The sky map is used to check out objects in constellations as well as parans.

Visual Astrology paran system is based on the horizon coordinate system.

This free lecture explains Visual Astrology and the paran method in much detail.

it's both visual,auditory http://visualastrology.co.uk/Flash_lecture/lecture_mainpage.htm

I have Starlight that does the visual astrology/paran system including does reports http://www.zyntara.com/

Raymond

posted April 24, 2009 12:34 PM         

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posted April 26, 2009 01:13 AM         

I found my answer to my question about Brady's view about Right Ascension

"The ecliptic is the circle of the zodiac, and is shown in every chart as the
outer zodiac ring, on to which the planets are placed. This works well as a
method of representing the position of planets within the two dimensional
limitation of a horoscope, because the Sun is always exactly on the ecliptic,
and the planets are always close to the ecliptic.

The stars, however, are not close to the ecliptic; they cover the celestial
sphere from pole to pole. Nonetheless, the technique of star- aspecting chooses
to sacrifice the stars' true position in the sky by projecting all stars to the
ecliptic.

For example, Arcturus, which is located in the figure on the line of the horizon
(near the number "60"), would be projected along the lines of Right Ascension
(blue lines) until it cut the ecliptic. This projected position would be close
to the Sun in early degrees of Scorpio. Thus an astrologer who worked with star
aspects would say that Arcturus is at 3° or 4° Scorpio, and therefore conjunct
the Sun.

This is done to enable the star to be represented in the two-dimensional
framework of a horoscope, in a similar manner to the planets. Unfortunately this
technique sacrifices information about the true position of stars on the
celestial sphere, and has consequently resulted in some misconceptions among
astrologers." http://www.zyntara.com/starlight_tutorials_paransaspects.html

She is referring to the Right Ascension coordinates of Arcturus in ecliptic
longitude equivalent. I have Sun in alignment with Arcturus in Right
Ascension. They conjunct between 3 to 4 degrees Scorpio when using Zodiac
Longitude equivalent.

both local midnight - modern day setting and previous midnight -
Hebrew,Babylonian day shows Arcturus culminated as Sun culminated

so even though Sun and Arcturus are in alignment in Right Ascension, they
actually have a visual connection if using the aforementioned day settings.

another thing to is that my Moon is in alignment with Fomalhaut in projected
ecliptic longitude with 17 minutes of arc.

according to local midnight - modern day,Fomalhaut culminated as Moon
culminated. Therefore,they could actually have a visual connection

This is what I read about the modern day that starts at midnight. It's known as
the civil day.

"For civil purposes a common clock time has been defined for an entire region
based on the mean local solar time at some central meridian. Such time zones
began to be adopted about the middle of the 19th century when railroads with
regular schedules came into use, with most major countries having adopted them
by 1929. For the whole world, 40 such time zones are now in use. The main one is
"world time" or Coordinated Universal Time (UTC).

The present common convention has the civil day starting at midnight, which is
near the time of the lower culmination of the mean Sun on the central meridian
of the time zone. A day is commonly divided into 24 hours of 60 minutes of 60
seconds each." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day

My Moon is in alignment with Sadalmelik with 13 minutes of arc in projected
ecliptic longitude, and they are in paran in the Roman/Egyptian day setting and
Babylonian/Hebrew setting but not in the modern day nor the astronomical day
systems

stars being projected onto the ecliptic might be felt because there are
corresponding parans with them...depending on which day system you look at.

My Moon is in alignment with Ancha with 18 minutes of arc , but it's a true
conjunction in the actual sky too. They conjunct with 49 minutes of arc. So my
Moon is actually in the hip of Aquarius constellation with it being in a true
conjunction to Ancha.

My Sun parallels Khambalia in declinations with 4 minutes of arc,and their true
separation is 1'19. I would say that parallel is relevant with it with the Sun
being near Khambalia even though it's 19 minutes over 1 degree orb that's used
with stars.