posted April 26, 2009 01:46 PM            

In synastry with those I have yearned/longed for, we all have:
-Sun/Moon contacts
-conjunct angles (my AC/his IC, etc)
-major Pluto, but I think that's just cause I'm an 8th house person attracted to that Pluto feeling
-0 degree Sun-love astroid contacts

I'd expect some big-time Neptune to be involved, but it isn't always.

EDITED: ooh, also, tight Node stuff.

posted April 26, 2009 02:19 PM            

I originally thought of Neptune stuff, too.
But surprisingly, in a very Neptunian synastry I did not experience this ache and longing inside.
It puzzled me a lot; I felt like I "should" have felt more yearning towards this person than I did.

My Mars, ASC and NN are conjunct Neptune, so this is familiar to me, yet, no longing.

"Personal experience: Moon conj/opposite Pluto."
That is interesting. I`ll come later to this.

"y do I have experience with this--which makes me think that the natal chart is just as significant (if not more) than synastry connections."
Yes, definitely.

"I think without my Cancer stellium in the 7th house (conjunct Moon-Saturn, then Venus on the cusp of my 8th), I wouldn't do so much yearning and longing."
I have no Cancer; Moon rules my 8th house and is in Aquarius in 2nd house. I have Venus square Pluto though, and the ruler of 2nd house in 8th house and the ruler of 8th house in 2ndhouse, and both rulers are exactly quinkunx each other.
Could Venus-Pluto also point to that aching yearning inside?

"-major Pluto, but I think that's just cause I'm an 8th house person attracted to that Pluto feeling"
I think I could confirm this.

From the aspects`s picture, which of these would indicate the strongest and the least longing / yearning?

Synastry 1:
Sun square Saturn
Venus opposite Uranus
Venus trine Venus
Uranus trine Sun
Pluto trine Venus
Pluto square Mars
Pluto square NN
Pluto square ASC
SN conjunct Moon
Neptune square Moon
Ruler of DSC and IC conjunct IC

Synastry 2:
Sun conjunct Venus
Sun square Pluto
Moon conjunct Uranus
Venus square Jupiter
Venus conjunct Neptune
Venus conjunct NN
Saturn trine Moon
Neptune conjunct Mars
Neptune conjunct ASC
Pluto square Venus
SN conjunct Saturn
ASC conjunct Mars
ASC conjunct Neptune
ASC conjunct NN

Synastry 3:
Moon conjunct IC
Moon square Venus
Moon trine Mars
Moon trine Neptune
Moon opposite Pluto
Moon trine NN
Moon trine ASC
Venus conjunct Moon
Mars square Venus
Mars conjunct Pluto
Neptune trine Moon
Neptune square Saturn
Pluto opposite Moon
SN conjunct Pluto
NN conjunct IC
NN trine ASC
NN trine Neptune, NN
DSC conjunct Neptune
ASC trine Pluto
ASC conjunct DSC
MC conjunct Moon

posted April 26, 2009 02:25 PM            

Re: Venus squared Pluto--I have this in synastry with a guy I feel longing for, although it is really less longing than intense lust, I think.

posted April 26, 2009 02:38 PM            

I have absolutely no attraction to him at all lol nor him to me! (and i'm heavily pluto in my natal)

I would say that venus/pluto is not it here. I think a longing or a yearning is much deeper than lust or craving. It's more of a soul urge, what do you guys think?

posted April 26, 2009 02:42 PM            

synastry 1:
Vertex antiscia Pluto

synastry 2:
Vertex conjunct Vertex
Vertex conjunct Eros
Vertex contrascia Mars
Vertex antiscia DSC
ASC antisica Vertex

synastry 3:
chartruler conjunct Antivertex
(Cupido and Valentine conjunct Antivertex)
DSC antiscia Vertex
Vertex conjunct Uranus
(Antivertex conjunct Part of Marriage)

Lucia,

that is strange, I always think that if that longing is missing, there is a lack of feeling. In some way I really seek out these feelings; as you can see I donīt view them "negatively", and if they are not present, I just feel that something deep is missing.

But maybe that is not so much a synastric thing, but can seen in the natal? Is it my Venus-Pluto-square that is responsible again?

posted April 26, 2009 02:47 PM            

Do you think it might be Moon-Pluto (or even Moon-Neptune) specifically?
Maybe also 8th and 4th house stuff?

BTW if he really has the same birthday and year as you it`s no wonder you feel no attraction; it`s like trying to fall in love with the reflection of your (astrological) mirror.
I had that once, known a guy who shared the same birthday as me, I also had been born just 30 minutes after him or so.
I did not feel the slightest attraction to him. NOt at all.
Well, he thought otherwise for a time, maybe his ASC would deliver an explanation. Don`t know though.

So far I am thinking: Moon, Pluto, NN/SN, 4th house, 8th house, Vertex more than Venus and Mars-aspects for "soul-craving", or am I going wrong here?

posted April 26, 2009 02:51 PM            

If you have vertex on your sun/moon mp then the missing feeling you crave in another could be cos you seek reflection of your own vertex 'feeling' in you that you wish to replicate?

posted April 26, 2009 02:58 PM            

"Amazing synastry and just no damn attraction! "
Wait until the progressions are right! :

If you have vertex on your sun/moon mp then the missing feeling you crave in another could be cos you seek reflection of your own vertex 'feeling' in you that you wish to replicate?"
Umph, say again, please?
I donīt think I really understood that, I am a bit slow today.

"Craving is not like mild obsession is it?"
I don`t know. No, I don`t think it needs to be obsessive.
Well, I see obsessions in that way that you view the others as some kind of "object of affection", who trigger those feelings inside you; you get actually not addicted / obsessed with the other person, but with the feelings they trigger inside you.

This kind of craving I was talking about could be a form of obsession; but actually I was talking about another kind; when you really want to know the other person, like you want to crawl insie of them to feel the way they feel, see through their eyes and listen with their ears, so that you can really understand them on an intellectual,e motional and spiritual level.

Jeez, it`s one of these moments again in DD-land.

posted April 26, 2009 03:42 PM            

"I mean, your vertex is right on your sun/moon mp (or the essence of YOUR inner/outer self) so that aspect must have a deep and soulful energy that you naturally feel. you probably want to re-create a similar feeling to that aspect in another, which could translate as a deep yearning and craving on a vertex level?"
Yes, you are making sense. And yes, I think that definitely is true for me.
So in some way those fated Vertex encounter help me get in touch with my own soul-nature, right? Maybe even give me a feeling of inner completeness (inside myself of course; cause no other person can make someone complete; I don`t want to be misunderstood in that. Completeness is something that happens inside of ones own soul).

"Am l making any sense here?
Maybe i'm having a LA-RA land moment!"
LOL
It`s a strange world we`re living in, with LA-RA land and DD land.

posted April 26, 2009 04:45 PM            

Yep, just checked out Vertex in my yearnings, and there's Sun-Vertex, Node-Vertex, Venus-Vertex, and other Vertex-y stuff going on in those synastry charts, although sometimes at a wider orb than we would normally use.

posted April 26, 2009 04:56 PM            

I liked your comparision with the puzzle. Actually I sometimes described my life as a puzzle, and how surprised I am sometimes at finding pieces to it, and I don`t know where they belong, but then I get yet another piece and it is all starting to make sense.

Lucia, Lara,

posted April 26, 2009 05:11 PM            

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that you miss them even when they are there, cause you just can`t be close enough to them?

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Uh? You what? These feelings are alien to me.
Pisces/Neptune is 1st thing that comes to mind. Maybe a hint of Cancer. A touch of Scorpio.

posted April 26, 2009 05:52 PM              

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I just dont get it when you say that you miss someone, even when they are there. Can you explain that please?

There are there, you cant miss them. Does not compute. Error. This computer will crash in 54321. Do not pour water on computer.

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posted April 26, 2009 07:54 PM            

I would look at al major aspects to vertex within 3' for you cos you have vertex so spot on in your chart.

My own vertex trines my sun.
With the gun guy who is in and out of my life like a yo-yo l have:
my vertex trine his venus (1)
my vertex sq his psyche (1)
my vertex sq his adonis (1)
his vertex trine my jupiter (1)
his vertex sq my uranus (1) ruler of my AC
his vertex trine my amor (1)
his vertex quincunx my lust (2)

With a guy i yearned for for years and years after we broke up we had:
my vertex sq his sun (0)
my vertex quincunx his NN (1)
my vertex sq his juno (2)
his vertex trine my sun (3)