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leapinglemur14
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posted April 29, 2009 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for leapinglemur14     Edit/Delete Message
This is my boyfriends chart. He has a lot of anger issues that show up more in relationships, which is where he expresses them the most. I think that his T-Square is at the core of this, but I wouldn't be surprised if I'm wrong. Anyone have any insight to where this anger could be coming from? Healthy ways to relieve it?


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mercuranian
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posted April 29, 2009 10:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mercuranian     Edit/Delete Message
mars opposed pluto
moon opposed uranus (erratic emotions)

I have these aspects but they are squares.

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posted April 29, 2009 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
Seems like it's due to repression, is that the case?

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blue moon
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posted April 30, 2009 02:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
T-Square Mars/Pluto/Jupiter.

He'll have to find his own path for channelling his anger.

I've also got a Martian T-Square, and a little bit of a temper. Mine involves Mercury, Venus and the Ascendant, so given those energies I find creative expression is helpful. Also, I found non-work activities that are very male and can accomadate some female aggression.

With his blend, my first thought is sport. The Jupiter Aqua in 9th I think might appreciate some outside activity that is charity based but involves him being physical. He might benefit from finding an environment where a bit of assertion is what is needed.

There's little point in denying you have this kind of energy, suppressing it only makes things worse. My Mars is Sesquiquadrate Moon/Pluto. Ignore it and one day Krakatoa will explode.


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belgz
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posted April 30, 2009 04:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
Ouch. having gemini placements is already like having bipolar.

I have gemini moon and its hard being me lol

And that mars / pluto aspect is bad too..

And then to make things worse he has firey placements of aries so he probably has no patience and cant even sit still.

Moon on ascendant makes u severely moody. He probably senses peoples ill intentions and become protective of himself and people around him..

Uranus in 7th is another issue.

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leapinglemur14
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posted April 30, 2009 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for leapinglemur14     Edit/Delete Message
Actually suppression is not the problem at all.

When he gets angry it takes over him completely. Thats the problem. He forgets everything else. All that matters is that he gets what he wants. He's told me how he feels so out of control. He can't stop how he's feeling at the time. Like if he doesn't get what he wants he's going to go crazy. He doesn't know why it's so important, he just know he NEEDS it.

And also a disturbing thing is he likes being angry and the power it gives him.

Any more ideas? Thoughts? Questions?

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posted April 30, 2009 06:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cynnared     Edit/Delete Message
SOME Aries = bad temper.....it's the warrior fighting spirit of Aries. Just being general....

I agree the Tsquare I think would be it......Mars - Pluto opposition is hard then add Jupiter for acceleration.

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posted April 30, 2009 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
leaping, what strikes me about his chart is that his mars is in 12th house, where he really is not that conscious or able to deal with it. the fact that it opposes pluto means that he is maybe reacting more from the pluto side of the aspect than his mars...maybe working with pluto issues will lead him to ways of dealing with his mars...?

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leapinglemur14
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posted April 30, 2009 11:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for leapinglemur14     Edit/Delete Message
so in that case dealing through it through some sort of work? or something that involves the body/health, since it's in the 6th house?

would a lot of exercise/sports be included in this? or an active job? Am i hitting any good points?

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Glaucus
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posted May 01, 2009 12:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I can't help noticing that the Heliocentric Mars Nodes in 19 degrees Taurus/Scorpion are on his lunar nodal axis and squares his Midheaven. a collective Mars energy of assertiveness,passion,aggression,anger

I think that if you are concerned about the anger issues, you should talk to him about them. Find out the source of the anger issues. It even could be things like abuse.

I have a history of anger issues,and it was from being verbally,physically abused at home. I had a love n' hate relationship with my mother. She and I made peace with each other in 2006 when I told her that I forgive for abusing me.


I believe that hard aspects to Pluto can indicate some type of abuse,trauma

but I also feel that hard aspects to the Pluto Nodal axis can too.

I also believe that hard aspects to Pluto's fellow transneptunians do too. I have hard kuiper belt aspects to my Sun,Moon,Ascendant,and Midheaven.

I do have the South Mars Node conjunct my chart ruler,Mercury too.


If you want, I can check out his chart and see what I come up with.

He has Heliocentric North Uranus Node conjunct the Ascendant, and that adds to being unpredictable. a collective Uranian energy of unpredictability,change,unconventionality,innovation


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leapinglemur14
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posted May 01, 2009 12:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for leapinglemur14     Edit/Delete Message
sure that would be a great help

we do talk about his anger a lot, and actually there is no abuse. other than getting spanked. he has a very good relationship with both parents which further confuses me. His shrink said it could be 2 reasons, his dad has a "my way or the highway" attitude, and he's an only child and may therefore have abandonment issues.

like i said its the fact that he LOVES the power he feels from being angry that worries me, so i want him to release it in a healthy manner.

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posted May 01, 2009 12:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
abused people can also be very secretive too and even be in denial....they definitely have major trust issues, experiences and sensitivity to betrayal......all this tend to reflected by hard Pluto aspects and a strong Scorpio influence.

I am not saying that's how he is like

I am just saying that's how abused people can be

It was only until I was 25 years old, I realized that I was abused by my parents,and it really made me more angry and resentful towards my mother until 2006. my stepfather was already out of picture in 1990.


abuse doesn't have to be physical either. It can be be verbal....it can be psychological,emotional abuse that doesn't stem from physical violence.


there could be a pastlife karmic thing involved. Karmic astrologers would definitely focus on that Mars in 12th house opposed by Pluto in 6th as well as his retrograde Mercury and Venus in Aries that are disposited by his 12th house Mars.

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posted May 01, 2009 02:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
It sounds to me like he needs to live a bit longer on the planet and take on the lesson that it isn't commendable to behave this way and that ultimately it is a path that will be as destructive for him as everyone else.

The T-Square carry hard lessons but they have the energy to achieve much once they are learned.

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Aya_and_baby
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posted May 01, 2009 07:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aya_and_baby     Edit/Delete Message
Since you say he shows his anger issues more in his relationships, I'm also going for Uranus opposite moon. When you get frustrated with your own emotions, that could cause anger as well.


Having your moon in gemini doesn't help there either, I know that from experience...

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posted May 01, 2009 07:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Writesomething     Edit/Delete Message
His NN in the 12th/Taurus is interesting to me. It shows his path in this life to control his temper. His mars on his NN/12th, shows he is here to learn to control his temper(mars) and keep it hidden(12th). There is karma attached to his anger issues.

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posted May 01, 2009 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, that Mars in the 12th can't be easy, maybe he doesn't realize how mad he is until it's too late because it remains hidden. And with the moon there too it's hard to have a grasp on emotions maybe (I just know from my own 12th house moon that sometimes my own feelings are a mystery to me at times).
And the Mars square Jupiter (I have this as part of a T-square too) maybe makes it easy to get carried away once the temper kicks in....and with Moon oppose Uranus he might not even know what sets him off, it might be random (gosh. I have this too LOL. It's not easy to handle, I'll tell you that...nor is it easy for anyone having to deal with it).

OK, I have Chiron conj Moon in the 12th in my own chart (but it's in Aries), so I can kind of relate to the whole feeling of empowerment from getting angry, and expressing it. But it took me YEARS to express it in a healthy way, and I'm still learning, and I still have a mean temper, but can hold it in pretty well when I want to. I think if he's aware of it then that's a huge start. I agree with Blue Moon that suppressing the anger is just terrible, won't work. It's going to make explosions.

I also think the anger itself though brings a level of catharsis and maybe that's why it's empowering for him and he 'likes' it. I don't think he likes himself after it though, and that's the issue. HOW he uses the energy is the question, because energy doesn't just go away, it has to go SOMEWHERE, so HOW it's expressed (as opposed to suppressed) is the key, so this is the thing to focus on for him I would think. He's got all that Aries energy buzzing...he should find a passion, something he loves to do and just throw himself into it completely and utterly, and that's how he'll feel the same empowering catharsis, but probably without the damage.
And I think that the NN in the 12th might point to him needing to deal with it (I can't say I agree with controlling it, as Writes says - that just ain't gonna happen and it's pointless to try and control) thru release, and even surrender. That's what the expression would bring him, I feel.

So he just needs to find a passion, something he loves to do and that stirs his soul, and to throw himself into that. I think this is part of the clue. Do you know what he likes to do, what he loves doing? I'd definitely have him focus on that.

Anyway. Just my two cents.

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leapinglemur14
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posted May 02, 2009 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for leapinglemur14     Edit/Delete Message
MVM thank you so much idk why, but I got goosebumps reading your post. Thank you so much for understanding what I was looking for and what I needed. I'm going to send you a message. I love you

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katatonic
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posted May 02, 2009 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
i agree with MVM, and disagree with any suggestion that being in the 12th means he should keep his anger hidden...rather he needs to work somehow to make it more conscious so it doesn't just blow up on him. with pluto in scorp in 6th and that mars in 12th what comes to mind is meditation, and any kind of depth psych work that will help him get his hands on his mars...and maybe the release point in leo in 3rd is another place to look - theatre?? can be very therapeutic!

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posted May 02, 2009 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Writesomething     Edit/Delete Message
you dont want to unload mars in the 12th...scary stuff. he needs to find ways to channel things better.

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leapinglemur14
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posted May 03, 2009 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for leapinglemur14     Edit/Delete Message
awesome that you mention theatre!!!! he wants to act and if he moves to LA can make it big in no time. He's actually very naturally skilled in this area and is one of the thing that came to mind. that and Tae kwon do (i think i spelled it right) he did it for like 13 years and wants to go back.

any ideas as to why his anger issues show up primarily in relationships? moon oppose uranus in the 7th I'm guessing.

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posted May 03, 2009 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
I'd think it comes out in relationships because intimacy shows our weakest spots and where we're most vulnerable.

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leapinglemur14
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posted May 04, 2009 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for leapinglemur14     Edit/Delete Message
*points finger at self and says "Duh!"*

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