posted May 09, 2009 12:14 AM         

Just an observation....

posted May 09, 2009 01:07 AM         

I'm not sure if I want kids and I've a 5th house sun, so you'd think I should. I don't like the really little ones. Yeah, they can be cute but they annoy me. And they smell sometimes too.
But I'm good with them, which is weird. And I have no idea why they like me. I don't always like them.
I practically raised my little brother and sister when they were tiny. I guess I was Mom-ish. Maybe that's why I'm not so sure I want any of my own at this point. If I do, it would be for really egotistical reasons: I have great genes, and it would be a damn shame to not pass them on.

posted May 09, 2009 01:35 AM         

She told me that she helped take care of her younger siblings when she was 7 years old. She was already mother hen type by that age.

She had her first child when she was 15,but she was forced to give him up for adoption.

She ran away from home,and she later had me at 17 years old

she was very protective of me....a smother mother. she was very dominating with her Moon in Scorpio in 5th square Pluto.

I always wanted to be married and have children.

I have no Cancer in my chart, but my Sun (in Scorpio) trine Moon (in Pisces with 2'15 orb (1'22 orb in Right Ascension), and so I have affinity with both Sun in Cancer and Moon in Leo.

My North Lunar Node is in Aquarius in 5th and my South Lunar Node is in Leo in 11th.

I also have Ceres in Leo sextile Midheaven with 2'43 orb and parallel Midheaven with 8 minutes of arc as well as conjunct Antivertex with 1'01 orb.
In Right Ascension, Ceres square Mercury with 2'36 orb and Venus with 1'13 orb.

posted May 09, 2009 06:59 AM         

My maternal grandfather had Sun in Cancer, and his chart ruler Pluto was in Cancer trining the dispositor of his Sun and Pluto, Moon in Pisces.

My maternal grandmother tried to give my mom up for adoption, but my grandfather kept my mother. Therefore, he was the only parent that my mother grow up knowing. My grandfather remarried and had 4 more children. He loved his children and grandchildren. He was a great cook,and I would say the best in my family with my mom being a close 2nd. My mom is a great cook too.

his mother had Sun in Cancer,and she had him when she was almost 14 years old. She had 2 more children with her 2nd husband. She had a daughter that is year older than my mother and the same age as my mother's maternal halfsister. She had a son that is the same age as my maternal uncle Dino. She raised my mom for a few years too.

my maternal uncle Dino has Moon in Cancer square Sun in Scorpio, and he has 2 stepchildren and 2 children with a woman that is more than 12 years older than her. He is also very good cook.

my maternal aunt Isabel has Full Moon in Cancer, and she has 3 children from 3 different husbands. She had the oldest when she was 19. She told me that she wanted to open up a daycare center.

posted May 09, 2009 01:48 PM         

I have a chuckle at those who say Children are nice but not for me and then end up having a child. But then I feel lots of empathy for those women who can't have children, possibly due to fertility problems....my heart goes out to them and if I could give my fertility away I would give it to one of them. I know I'm fertile (sitting here pregnant with my 2nd child), but pregnancy takes a lot out of my and I get severely ill with morning sickness.

I've got 2 planets in my 5th or it is one....hmmmmmm I'm still trying to figure out my Pluto placement. I have Uranus in the 5th and progressed chart wise I have moon, Jupiter and Neptune in the 5th.

After having my daughter I found that babies were easy to care for despite the sleep deprivation in the beginning when I brought her home.

I have to wonder about my daughter - she's got 4 planets in Cancer and has already shown a nurturing, caring side. (Her planets are Moon, Venus, Mars and Jupiter)

My maternal grandpa is a Sun in cancer and he was there for us kids, not sure how he felt towards his mom. My grandparents had 3 children and little grandchildren but boy did they love kids. My grandma was a Taurus with an Aqua moon.......

posted May 09, 2009 01:54 PM         

He is 7 yrs old and he loves anything living he can care for.
He's like a little miracle worker - everything he touches seems to bloom and enjoy the world much more.

He has a big face and huge moon eyes and he can tell a fake from a genuine person within 5 seconds of meeting them.

posted May 09, 2009 03:23 PM         

Weird, I have a 5th house venus and jupiter (crud) and I don't have a really big fascination with children either. I wouldn't mind being an aunt though. I guess we never know what the future holds, but motherhood is not really on my to-do list. I'd rather be established in a career first and have a life of my *own* first. I don't think I lack maternal instinct, but I think that usually goes into other things like animals or the ailing (of any age).

posted May 09, 2009 03:42 PM         

I know what you mean about the caring for people/animals thing. It's not like there's no desire to nurture, it's just that it takes a different kind maybe.

But to an extent I think it can be difficult if we're conditioned to express nurturing in the most conventional way, though having a child....so that even if a woman maybe chooses to not have children, maybe she's viewed as less than nurturing by 'regular' society?

posted May 09, 2009 04:11 PM         

I am starting to wonder if Ceres aspects are involved. Ceres is the dwarf planet of nurturing,and it seems to involve food,culinary,as well as caring for others. She was an archetypal earth mother goddess. An agricultural goddess.

my maternal Grandfather had Sun parallel Ceres with 4 minutes of arc, and that's a strong indicator for a person that expresses as a nurturer regardless if his Sun is tropical Cancer or in the constellation of Gemini.

He also has Venus conjunct Ceres with 1'35 orb in tropical Leo but in the Cancer constellation. His Midheaven is in tropical Leo but in the Cancer constellation too.

My mother also has a strong Ceres influence

Ceres
parallel Imum Coeli - '00
contraparallel Neptune - '44
square Ascendant - 2'46
square Mars - 2'50
square Jupiter - 1'31
semisextile Saturn - '06
semisquare Moon - '53

The heliocentric Ceres Nodes could be important too

In her Chart:
Heliocentric Ceres Nodes are in 20'35 Gemini/Sagittarius in 12th/6th
conjunct/oppose Sun in 21'59 Gemini

as you see, I have a mother who is strong in Ceres archetypal energy.

I believe that up to 2 degree orb should be used with planetary nodes
I thought about only using up to 1 degree orb for the nodes of minor planets (asteroids,centaurs,kuiper belt objects)

I believe that the nodes of dwarf planets like Ceres,Eris,Pluto,Makemake,Haumea as well as dwarf planet candidates that include Sedna,Orcus,Quaoar,Varuna,and Ixion can have up to 1.5 degree orb.

please remember that all heliocentric nodes move very slowly....up to 1 degree per century,and so they move just as slow as fixed stars. They have to deal with collective energies. Aspects to the node of an object is more significant than aspects to the object itself. It doesn't matter if it's planetary node, asteroid node,centaur node, kuiper belt node, or dwarf planet node. The orbit of an object is highly symbolic. the nodes are the orbital planes of an object.

btw

I would also check to see if a planet is placed late in tropical Cancer because that means that it's actually in the constellation of Cancer. My maternal Uncle Dino's Moon is in the last degree of Cancer,and that means that his Moon is in the constellation of Cancer.

I also believe that parans involving stars in Cancer could be figure into nurturing, feeling life being sacred. Cancer was known as the The Scarab Beetle of Life to the ancient Egyptians. It was the Chaldeans that officially linked the constellation to the crab.

I have Alpha Cancer, Acubens in culminating (becomes active in prime,29 until death) paran with Sun

according to Bernadette Brady's Star and Planet Combinations:

Principle of Acubens, the love of life
Acubens can shape one's spiritual attitudes and arouse a belief in the concept of resurrection whether in a religious way or simplay an optimistic outlook on life. It can also attract a person to profession of, or at least stimulate an interest in, the bringing in or new life; or,conversely, helping in the process of death. This star's themes are those of life and resurrection,a gatekeper, a midwife of incoming or outgoing, the cycle of life.

my Ceres conjunct Antivertex (auxillary ascendant) with 1'01 orb in tropical Leo but in the constellation of Cancer
My South Lunar Node is in tropical Leo,but in the constellation of Cancer,and it trines my Imum Coeli(4th house cusp) with 45 minutes of arc.

Raymond

posted May 09, 2009 05:27 PM         

This is what Bernadette Brady wrote for it in her books and Starlight program:

Known as the twins in most ancient writings, these two companion stars and their resulting constellation embody the wonder of twins in the human psyche.

Dylan and Lleu, twin powers of dark and light, were born from Arianhrod the Celtic goddess of the Star Wheel. Ahura Mazda and Ahriman were God and Devil born simultaneously from Zurvan's womb. In the bible it is Cain and Abel. For the Egyptians, the god of the Morning Star and light was Horus and the God of the Evening Star was his evil brother Set, brother of Horus who was darkness and was also connected to the never-setting circumpolar stars which the Egyptians considered to be the realm of the female Hippopotamus, wife of Set which we now know as Ursa Major and Draco. In this way the ancient Egyptian conflict of Horus/Osiris and Set can be seen as the struggle of the god to overcome the goddess, or the light to overcome the dark which is the dawn extinguishing the light of the circumpolar stars.

The Morning Star was also known as Lucifer (bearing light) and the Evening Star Vespers (evening). Lucifer being cast out of heaven and into the whirlpool is possibility the mythological retelling of the slipping of Castor into southern declinations.

Twins represent the concept of polarity: where there is light there is dark; for every push forward there is a step that also has to be taken backwards. The larger the positive effect, the greater the shadow with which one has to deal. There are many paired stars in the heavens, each set implying one principle divided into the Civilised and the Shadow. However, Gemini is the most well-known heavenly pair.

Castor and Pollux are the two brightest stars with the twin of the light, Castor, being the alpha star. The other named stars in order of magnitude are: Alhena in Pollux's heel; Wasat in the middle of the constellation very close to the ecliptic; Mebsuta, Castor's knee; and Tejat, or also known as Propus, the toe or in front of Castor's left foot.

please note that the meanings for the zodiac constellations are totally different from the meanings of the tropical zodiac signs. Therefore, the meanings of the tropical zodiac signs and the constellations can blend with each other, and so they don't contradict each other.

I believe the meanings of the tropical zodiac signs derived from Ptolemy who adopted the tropical zodiac which was based on the northern hemisphere seasons. He is the one that assigned rulerships to the tropical zodiac signs,and that seem to factor into how he viewed the zodiac signs.

posted May 09, 2009 05:50 PM         

Some woman do really good with their pregnancies and some like myself get life threatening sick from it. I suffer from severe morning sickness and has to be hospitalized a few times and on IV fluids.

It could be my 6th house Neptune that has me sensitive to many things. The slightest change within my body and it does things.

I don't think I would trade away becoming a parents and a mother - even though I didn't want children. I'm excited that I have kids that will inherit my junk when I die. I'll have my kids to look after me when I'm old and in need of help....there are so many positives...

Hmmmmmmmm, I was just thinking of my 11th house sun and I'm not really involved with other peoples children.

posted May 09, 2009 06:17 PM         

I know adoption is not easy but if I get to a point spiritually and emotionally as well as finacially then I would choose adoption and maybe have my own kid some day..yeah some day..

posted May 10, 2009 12:23 AM         

quote:

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Oh, Dulce, it's YOU! I just realized!

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Yes, yes! I changed my name. ^__^

posted May 10, 2009 01:20 AM         

Despite being a Cancerian Sun, I'm not gung ho on kids either. I'm extremely responsible so if i were to have them, i know i would commit to doing a great job but consciously, i don't feel my heartstrings tug toward having my own.

I also don't have an egoistical need to pass on my own genes or that i couldn't love anyone else as much as my own etc. I feel there are enough children in the world who are either orphaned or without a home of their own and rather than bring a new one, i'm ok with directing whatever funds i can toward helping those kids out. Note, this is more in terms of social work kinda thing than adopt/raise etc.

I'm relatively a newbie at astrology so i can't contribute other factors in terms of placements etc.

posted May 10, 2009 09:32 AM         

I knew this lady who was over 90 and loved kids. She had no children but her nieces made her happy and would come in and take care of her. She lived in a small house that was in her family for years with her 3 cats. She was a very delightful lady. She was a Gemini.

There are some people who really are not cut out for children and chose a career more than anything else.

Then there are folks I find should have never have had kids in the first place. Some don't make good parents and some kids should have been given up for adoption. These folks I could never understand. They deprive a child from a good childhood.

I'm not sure what kind of a placement a parent like that would have.

Now going back to my Moon in Cancer I could never understand the desire/obsession over the mother. Cancer being a sign of Motherhood. Once I longed for a closer relationship with my extremely dysfunctional mother but this is not to be cause her family (husband) will never allow it). Not sure how common it is for a cancer moon to have a hang up over their mom. But then I have an Aries Sun and I seem to refuse to follow down the same path in life as her. They take after their father more is what I have observed in my life.

Cynn

posted May 10, 2009 09:56 AM         

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I cant think of an archetype
more worthy of being put on a pedestal.

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