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Peri
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posted May 09, 2009 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
Right now I have Lucifer conj my natal Sun and I also have it conj Sun in my solar chart, so I have the whole year to enjoy it and I do feel it ...

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~ Tom Jacobs: Evil, Astrologically: Lucifer

I have what might be a tome about evil gestating in my innards. For a few years I’ve been working with the asteroid Lucifer (1930), making notes, numerous false starts on that tome and working extensively with clients on the archetype as it plays out in their lives. It’s just not time for the big statement to come out. But today, I’m inspired to share a tiny bit of one corner of it.

The only useful definition of evil is that which we can use to move away from what we think of as good. Each of us has an internal goodmeter that’s a part of our makeup as conscious beings; it’s the part of us that is the God nature. Whether yours is informed by someone else’s moral system (religion) or your own inner compass, you have one and you use it constantly to one end or the other. When you behave in line with what you understand is good, you feel good about yourself and life. When you behave out of line with that, for any reason, you feel bad about yourself and life. It’s that simple. There’s a soul sickness we engender as we go against what we know is good, what we know is the vibration of God.

As soon as I began putting it in charts and mentioning here and there that I use this asteroid and work with the notion of evil, I drew people who needed deeply to learn to understand this part of themselves. Many times it appears in my clients’ nodal configurations, indicating that there are karmic issues with doing or the perception of doing, or the fear of having done, or the fear of being, evil.

The Lucifer archetype is the part of us that makes the decision about which way we’re headed, toward the good or away from it. The heart of what I want to share in this post is that each of us has this part of ourselves, and each of us is always choosing which direction we’re headed. It is very important to learn to understand this part of ourselves, and why we allow it to do what it does (if it ever gets to run the show), and it is very important to understand that the things that we do are, simply, the things that we do. They’re part of the journey of experiencing what it is to be a human.

I encourage people who have suspicions or memories (or reports from psychics, etc.) that they have done evil in the karmic past and in this life to understand the archetype of Lucifer as it plays out in their psyches, hearts and lives. We’re talking at root here about the choice to recognize and be aligned with something greater/bigger than ourselves, or refuse to do so and invest everything in our own egos. The human experience is defined on a key level by navigating the terrain of relationship with ego, and I note that all existential questions are Lucifer questions. So, when people come into the counseling room with a sense of having done wrong, I help them understand what the energy is about, help them sort out the past from the present, and work to give a solid ground to their understanding of their options.

This post was triggered by an e-mail conversation with a colleague having Lucifer square the nodal axis, indicating a misuse or perception of misuse of ego energy in the karmic past to evil ends, ends that achieved what was understood at the soul level to be not good. His response in this life is to make sure that he speaks what is true. There’s more to it than that, but I want to share that even with the knowledge or memory of having done wrong, which, frankly, we all have, the healthy response now is learn what is our choice and choose what is best right now. Allowing ourselves to restrict living in the here and now because of memories of having done wrong (and so being defined as bad, or evil), is a self hate that does no one any good. This healing work is about recognizing how the energy of evil, the move away from good, can be turned around with understanding and some heart-opening, forgiveness work to become the energy of the light bearer (Lucifer is Latin for light bearer), the servant of good/God - the healing opportunity offered by Lucifer work is the healing of the relationship with God.

My efforts to get this teaching together in a cohesive fashion have been stalled due to my own lab time in the lessons of Lucifer. Or, better put, they’re slow in coming as I live my own Lucifer story and learn about my own choices. As I wrote to that colleague, I’m usually quiet about the fact that this asteroid is conjunct my natal Sun. Pretty much no one who fears he or she might have done wrong in the past will tell you, but here we are. I know my present choices are in line with what I know is good - I’m determined never to forget what the power of choice can create - and so I’m okay with telling you here. Part of my hesitation, incidentally, is due to the myopic understanding and terror in some parts of our culture regarding the name Lucifer. But as you’ll see if you stay tuned to my work, the real Lucifer inside each and every one of us has nothing to do with Judeo-Christian notions of the devil. That, my friends, is a red herring to keep you from integrating this powerful part of yourself and living with your own understanding of serving good as your compass.

In the mean time, I’m working with clients who are open to understanding themselves fully, and I recognize that their openness to this archetype inside them is part of my lab experience in the Lucifer course: The more they accept their Luciferian natures, the more I can accept mine. Who knew that becoming an astrologer would be my path to heal karma?

tdjacobs.spiritcrossing.com/2007...ifer/

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posted May 09, 2009 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
~ Tom Jacobs

I’m a(n astrological) minute from having a Lucifer return. The asteroid (1930) is natally on my Sun, and seeing that I’m at the end of one chapter and the beginning of another is the only thing that’s made sense about the self-inflicted drama and fireworks of the last few days.

My ego is fighting its imminent death like crazy, like never before. I’m being asked to give up my need for control and open to what’s better than what my control can bring me. And for a 2nd house Scorpio, giving up control can be quite a challenge.

For any return, this chapter idea is this: Your experience of any energy in life is divided up into chapters. Returns of the bodies delineate the chapters, and big moments regarding the energies can be created around the time of the return. The transiting, returning body’s function in your life is highlighted during the return, and you’re supposed to have a great time when the return happens. In truth, though, the infusion of the returning planet’s energy into its natal position, into you, will reinforce whatever’s happening with the energy in your life. Birthdays, for example (solar returns), are supposed to be great. You get an infusion of solar energy into your Sun. Ever had a birthday that sucked? They suck when the solar energy you’re running is already subpar or unhealthy; whatever you’re doing with your Sun energy is magnified and highlighted.

As I continue on a path of opening more to what my higher self or spirit guidance is offering me and asking of me, my own Lucifer work (= my learning to choose to give up control) gets a little more rocky. Lucifer is the separating influence, what in us decides if we’re going to recognize and serve something greater than ourselves. With it on my Sun natally, I will naturally have lessons in this life of finding out just how big the ego can be and what it should serve (itself or something higher).

I’ve been “answering the call” of Spirit lately, including moving to an area of town I specifically never wanted to live in, changing my eating habits from something I thought was really good for me, beginning to learn a foreign language I’ve resisted learning my whole life even though presented with an absurd number of cues to learn it, and giving up relationships of various kinds - basically, as I understand it, everything that I’ve chosen for myself is being replaced by something else I’d clearly decided I didn’t want. Its like living the life you specifically chose not to live, and being asked to learn to love it. A little dose of feeling in a strange reality where someone else seems to have chosen for you the life you’d already opted not to live.

Immature Lucifer energy considers giving up control a threat to its being. Lucifer energy needing to mature is in fact an egocentric control freak sure that God/the Universe/Creation doesn’t love it. I’ve been experiencing this in spades the last few days, as I feel I can’t have anything that I want for myself. By the way, if you give this part of yourself time to make some noise, you’ll see that you’re a crazy mofo in no time. (And what an awesome exercise this can be - I can’t recommend it enough - find out what really makes you tick by giving into the egocentric control freak inside you that you go to great lengths to hide from everyone, including probably yourself.)

In order for Lucifer to mature, the ego has to find the right sort of expression and place in the rest of you. Which is to say that the ego needs to find a healthy role in the workings of the overall life. He needs to find the right seat at the conference or dinner table, you might say - he thinks he’s deserving of the seat at the head of the table, and for developing personality and soul maturity, he needs to learn to be okay with any other seat at the table.

For many of us, we need to experience something that wows us in order for the ego to choose to take another seat. Some sort of numinous/soul enlargening experience that knocks the logic-clinging pants off your egocentricity. (I’m reminded of Angels in America, when that dude with the name I forget meets and wrestles with the angel played by Emma Thompson.) This is another way of saying that the intellect must learn the benefit in choosing to take a back seat in running the life. In the end, the ego must merge with the heart/emotional guidance system, but Lucifer in no way can conceive of this and so must learn to choose the second seat.

In me, this fight in necessary. I’m not yet at the big wowing experience that convinces my ego to chill out and serve the rest of me. It’s on its way, I know, and it could take one of many forms (I’m open to what it is, and terrified of what I’ll be asked to do - ego never thinks it’s ready to choose to relinquish the illusion of control). In the mean time, I’m letting the fight happen because I thereby show myself, all of myself, what are the issues needing to be addressed in order for healing the wounded part of the ego.

And for each of us, healing needs to happen along the way to ego relinquishing the insistence on (illusion of) control. I see in my work as an evolutionary astrologer and counselor the effects of wounding to the ego, as if my life itself isn’t enough. Its insistence on supremacy is a reaction to feeling out of control in the past (the past of this life is informed by the past of other lives - we’re talking about all of them). Learning to trust something higher is the lesson for all of our Lucifers, and working with this in my counseling work is about healing the relationship with Spitir/God/Creation/the Universe - pick whatever word works best for you.

So, at this return I have the opportunity to see all of the fireworks I’ve been setting off and, reading between the lines, heal something about my willingness to trust the unfolding of the bigger show, the one that’s larger than my conscious mind/ego/Lucifer can grasp or ever devise. After writing all this out, I can finally see what’s happening, and what is the use for all the feelings and anger that’s been coming up - until I noted that I’m having this return, I was pretty sure everything as I knew it was over and I was headed for some unstopped existential drain, and in a hurry.

Speaking of returns, returning is the inevitable conclusion of anyone’s Luciferian journey. Anger at the bigger authority is what leads to the separating behvaior. At root, each Luciferian reason is anger at the perception and feeling of having been betrayed, and all Luciferian scheming, plotting and resistance to the bigger - someone else’s - version of things are attempts to protect one’s self from feeling betrayed again. Feeling forgotten by God, etc., is pretty serious wounding, and each of us has some version of it.

The return of Lucifer is the return to love. To accepting the love of the greater reality (again, choose your label for it). To releasing the need to be separate in order to prove a point about exhibiting on one’s sleeve evidence of the deep existential hurt.

And in the end, Lucifer healing hinges on our willingness to accept that the hurt is about our perception that we’re separate from that greater thing. In the mythology, Lucifer rebels against God because he takes the fact that God is sending a son to earth (whether Adam in the Hebrew tradition or Jesus in the Christian); he takes this as a clear signal that God does not love him as much as he thinks God does. The pain of Lucifer stems from his decision that he’s got the market on defining love. The question for him becomes this: Can he give up his narrow definition of love? Of course he can. Will he choose to do so?

And since this journey is being taken by each of us, can you? Can I? I know I can, can choose to, and at the same time recognize there’s more fight left in me because there’s more healing to be done on this karmic wounding to the relationship with God[/your word here].

And that’s where I am today at this Lucifer return. Egads, do I feel better. Amazing what some caffeine-driven blogging can do for an existentially wounded (& healing) spirit.

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posted May 09, 2009 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
Lucifer is a name frequently given to Satan in Christian belief. This usage as a reference to a fallen angel stems from a particular interpretation of Isaiah 14:3-20, a passage that speaks of someone who is given the name of "Day Star" or "Morning Star" (in Latin, Lucifer) as fallen from heaven.[2] 2 Peter 1:19 and elsewhere, the same Latin word lucifer is used of the morning star with no relation to Satan. However, in writings later than those in the Bible, the Latin word has often been used instead as a proper name for Satan.

In Latin, the word "Lucifer", meaning "Light-Bringer" (from lux, lucis, "light", and ferre, "to bear, bring"), is a name for the "Morning Star" (the planet Venus in its dawn appearances).[3] The Latin Vulgate version of the Bible used this word twice to refer to the Morning Star: once in 2 Peter 1:19 to translate the Greek word Φωσφόρος (Phosphoros),[4] and once in Isaiah 14:12 to translate the Hebrew word הילל (Hêlēl).[5] In the latter passage the title of "Morning Star" is given to the tyrannous Babylonian king, who the prophet says is destined to fall. This passage was later applied to the prince of the demons, and so the name "Lucifer" came to be used for Satan, and was popularized in works such as Dante Alighieri's Inferno and John Milton's Paradise Lost, but for English speakers the greatest influence has been its use in the King James Version of Isa 14:12 to translate the Hebrew word הילל, which more modern English versions render as "Morning Star" or "Day Star".

A similar passage in Ezekiel 28:11-19 regarding the "king of Tyre" was also applied to Satan, contributing to the traditional picture of Satan and his fall.

The Book of Isaiah has the following passage:

When the Lord has given you rest from your pain and turmoil and the hard service with which you were made to serve, you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: How the oppressor has ceased! How his insolence has ceased! … How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit on the mount of assembly on the heights of Zaphon; I will ascend to the tops of the clouds, I will make myself like the Most High." But you are brought down to Sheol, to the depths of the Pit. Those who see you will stare at you, and ponder over you: "Is this the man who made the earth tremble, who shook kingdoms, who made the world like a desert and overthrew its cities, who would not let his prisoners go home?"[17]
The passage expressly refers to a "king of Babylon", a "man" who seemed all-powerful, but who has been brought low. Isaiah promises that the Israelites will be freed and will then be able to use in a taunting song against their oppressor the image of the Morning Star, which rises at dawn as the brightest of the stars, outshining Jupiter and Saturn, but lasting only until the sun appears. This image was used in an old popular Canaanite story that the Morning Star tried to rise high above the clouds and establish himself on the mountain where the gods assembled, in the far north, but was cast down into the underworld.[18][19]

The phrase "O Day Star, son of Dawn" in the New Revised Standard Version translation given above corresponds to the Hebrew phrase "הילל בן־שׁחר" (Helel Ben-Shachar) in verse 12, meaning "morning star, son of dawn". As the Latin poets personified the Morning Star and the Dawn (Aurora), as well as the Sun and the Moon and other heavenly bodies, so in Canaanite mythology Morning Star and Dawn were pictured as two deities, the former being the son of the latter.[20]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer

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posted May 09, 2009 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Writesomething     Edit/Delete Message
crazy. ive met this guy. he did a past life/south node reading for me. hes really good. i honestly didnt know how well known these people are. its weird.

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posted May 09, 2009 11:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message
wow Peri, thi has shed a completely new light onto some things for me.

i have Lucifer EXACTLY conjunct my ASC natally. also my lover who has been very influential to my reconstructing self, his Lucifer is conjunct my Sun by less than 2 degrees, and our composite Lucifer is conjunct my Venus, exact.

beside that a looong time ago i read in The Secret Language of Birthdays by Gary Goldschneider, that i was born on the day of HELLRAISER, i never really took it seriously, i thought it was amusing and sort of representative of what some people see in me.

but this article really made me have a whole different glimpse into what this may mean. thanks so much!

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posted May 09, 2009 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
Looks like Lucifer is closely connected with Venus and Lucifer is not the same as Satan?

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...... Venus, or Lucifer (also Sukra and Usanas) the planet, is the light-bearer of our Earth, in both its physical and mystic sense. The Christians knew it well in early times, since one of the earliest popes of Rome is known by his Pontiff name as Lucifer. SDII. HPB.

Humanity's function is to transmit and handle force...

Humanity is the planetary light bearer, transmitting the light of knowledge, of wisdom, and of understanding, and this in the esoteric sense. These three aspects of light carry three aspects of soul energy to the soul in all forms, through the medium of the anima mundi, the world soul. TWM. AAB. DK.

"Every world has its parent star and sister planet. Thus Earth is the adopted child and younger brother of Venus, but its inhabitants are of their own kind. . . . All sentient complete beings (full septenary men or higher beings) are furnished, in their beginnings, with forms and organisms in full harmony with the nature and state of the sphere they inhabit." SDII. HPB.

Usanas-Sukra or Venus is our "Lucifer," the morning star, of course. SDII. HPB.

Lucifer, or Luciferus, is the name of the angelic Entity presiding over the light of truth as over the light of the day. In the great Valentinian gospel Pistis Sophia (§ 361) it is taught that of the three Powers emanating from the Holy names of the Three [[Tridunameis]], that of Sophia (the Holy Ghost according to these gnostics -- the most cultured of all), resides in the planet Venus or Lucifer.......

http://logos_endless_summer.tripod.com/id33.html

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posted May 09, 2009 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah I like to think of Lucifer as corresponding to Venus. For a long time I was into the etymology of baby names and Lucifer means "Morning star."

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posted May 09, 2009 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mercuranian     Edit/Delete Message
wow! I've been feeling just awful (like I'm in my own personal hell) for the past few weeks, but more especially the past couple days. I just looked at an ephemeris and transiting lucifer is conjunct my natal sun!! In the 12th house of all places along transiting mercury retro. I really hope I snap out of this soon.

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posted May 09, 2009 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mercuranian     Edit/Delete Message
Oh awesome! I also just noticed that it's conjunct my sun by a degree in my solar return chart. (in the 12th of course), looks like it's gonna be a fun year.

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posted May 09, 2009 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message
but from the way it sounds, the association with the light and Venus, it looks more positive than negative to me... maybe i have an innate association to it because of it conjunct ASC? i dunno. it guides you through the unrecognized area of your spirit, which can be a scary experience.

Lucifer also means "a match" in Dutch. makes sense.

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posted May 09, 2009 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for songwriter     Edit/Delete Message
I have Lucifer conjunct my Sun (3) and transiting Lucifer is exactly opposing my Saturn.

Should I be upset?

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posted May 09, 2009 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta     Edit/Delete Message
Wow!

I think Lucifer is about lessons in Love,
unconditional love maybe? Just because we love someone else does not mean we do not love you ect...

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posted May 09, 2009 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seeing Stars 7.21     Edit/Delete Message
I always thought it was ironic. the fact that Lucifer means morning star the nickname for Venus a planet associated with beauty and harmony and everything pleasant and lucifer everything satanic and evil.

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posted May 09, 2009 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
Lucifer is a mystery to me now!

I think it has something to do with self-love, but there is a catch: put yourself before others or others before yourself and you will fall ... something like that ... it is all about the right balance, I think?

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posted May 09, 2009 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
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posted May 09, 2009 06:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mercuranian     Edit/Delete Message
just a thought... Lucifer (the devil) tempts you and gets you to comply with the dark side using pleasures of the flesh, money, and possesions (venus).

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posted May 10, 2009 01:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for songwriter     Edit/Delete Message
#1930

1+9+3+0=13/4

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posted May 10, 2009 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diabla     Edit/Delete Message
Interesting! and yes, I think Lucifer is not the same as Satan or the Devil.

In my chart Lucifer is opposite Mars and completes a grand cross with Mercury and the Asc.

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In the best way, Lucifer means thinking of Self=Ego to be superior to God just because God allows everything to happen and Self can be judgmental. In a negative way, a Luciferian Being in 4d and above can choose to harm any number of 3d planets just because he can do so and God will allow it as Free-Will. 5d beings do good for free to any number of 3d planets again because God allows it. [These are the ArchAngels etc.]

Asteroid Lucifer sqaures to Nessus or Saturn are found in the charts of Serial Killers.

The asteroid Number 1930 is eerily equal to the year of Pluto's discovery.

Good point by Songwriter that 1+9+3 = 13.

Lucifer Lexigram:
I FUEL CRUEL LUCRE

Lucifer Numerological Value: 28 = 10 = 1, Ego and Self reigns supreme.

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posted May 11, 2009 04:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
so I guess I need to watch out for my inflated ego this year?

intersting, apart from having Lucifer on Sun in this year's solar chart, I also have solar BML conjunct ASC and solar Mercury conj natal BML

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Well personally I do not see Lucifer as evil at all.
That is a Christian view point and a lie.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum21/HTML/000214.html

In my opinion...
It is the false god of the Eden zoo and his allegiance to the evil Pleid and their minions the so called good angels who are the true evil and who controlled, deceived and abused the human race, hampering their evolutionary and spiritual progress.
Lucifer was the bearer/bringer of knowledge and truth, not evil.
They are also behind the lies about the reptilians, because they did not/do not have the reptilian complex as the mammals do including us, and of course their insectoid hive minds and arachnid like inhuman non reptilian complex minds would want to convince humanity that reptilian=bad....
when in fact, at humanity's core, "we are the reptilians" and the others are not and they lied to us.


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posted August 19, 2010 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with you here LEXX, I don't see Lucifer as evil either.

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posted August 19, 2010 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you Peri!
It is not a popular opinion though.

PS. I may have been adding to my previous post whilst you were replying.

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posted August 19, 2010 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

in my heliocentric chart (higher self)

Earth in 5'20 Taurus
trine Lucifer in 4'48 Virgo


so my higher purpose is be a bearer of light

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posted August 19, 2010 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
Glaucus
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so my higher purpose is be a bearer of light

And you are doing so!
I wonder if mine is too?

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