posted May 10, 2009 07:32 AM         

I mean are relationships that are longlasting suppose to be challenging to some degree, or is that only a bad thing. It seems i always landed in somewhat difficult relationships that were pretty saturnian like. This one seems the same. What do you guys think bout my chart, does it have any potential or is it just way off. What about relationships in general how challenging are they suppose to be not to make people leave eachother, or to get them bored lol.

posted May 11, 2009 12:52 PM         

And yeah here's another question about Saturn. Is the saturn person in a relationship really afraid of losing the lets say venus or sun person, despite its very judgemental and critical towards them. I've read that saturn person has big difficulties expressing their emotions for their partner, too such extent that it seems as they don't feel anything at all for the person they are with? But in fact they are very much in love and really depend on their lover, and as much as they criticize, they are mostly afraid that they will lose them. Even if it doesn't make any sense, thats what i heard about saturn people in relationships. Is it true?

Yes it's true
I have to go now..I will look at your synastry soon..

posted May 11, 2009 03:41 PM         

your saturn oppose her sun
Sun opposition Saturn in synastry:

In the early stages of your relationship Sun is likely to feel attracted to the mature, steady, disciplined, and responsible qualities of Saturn, but over time these same qualities can begin to feel restrictive, limiting, even oppressive. Saturn can fall into the role of being the parent, teacher, or taskmaster of Sun, causing Sun to feel inhibited and confined by Saturn's seriousness and inflexibility. If Sun can benefit from the responsible and concerned attitude of Saturn and Saturn can refrain from taking problems or concerns too seriously, then the positive sense of maturity, responsibility, and stability of the relationship can overcome the negative tendencies.

her saturn sextiles your mercury

When the aspect between Mercury and Saturn is a flowing one (sextile or trine), your Saturn partner helps you to structure your thoughts, plan your life, and give form to your ideas. You feel that you can learn a lot from Saturn's wisdom. Saturn offers practical advice and tips that truly improve Mercury's life. Your Saturn partner listens well, guides, and disciplines you in mostly pleasing ways. Together, you tend to solve relationship problems through careful, step-by-step, and logical communication. Your conversations may be on the dry or serious side at times, however.

your pluto oppose her venus

Venus in hard aspect (square, opposition, semi-square, or sesquiquadrate) to other person's Pluto

Intense, and sometimes uncomfortable, attraction between these two can go either way fast. The expression "a fine line between love and hate" applies here. This connection is almost primal in nature. Sexual attraction is intense. These two will definitely need to deal with issues of possessiveness, jealousy, and volatile emotions. They arouse in one another some of their deepest insecurities, as there can be an intense fear of losing one another. This interchart aspect can sometimes be indicative of unrequited love or of a relationship that eventually breeds anger and even hatred. Power struggles and manipulation are quite possible. This is not a relationship to take lightly. If the relationship were to break up, it would be unlikely that the two would be able to remain "just friends", as the passion is hard to forget. Staying together may be a challenge as well! The Pluto person often seems to have the upper hand in this relationship, which can be unnerving and frustrating for the Venus person. Jealousies and manipulative behavior should be watched for and avoided as much as possible.

These 3 aspects are pretty binding..

Venus conjunct valentine is a nice aspect for lovers I think

You have some other nice aspects also..
her sun trine your moon

With the trine and the sextile between the Sun and the Moon in synastry, discomfort is less likely. Instead, there is a natural and flowing compatibility. The individuals naturally cooperate with each other--a characteristic that is very welcome in most any romantic relationship, as much energy can be squandered when individuals compete with one another. The only real problem with the flowing aspects here is a certain level of complacency. For individuals who prefer a more aggressive and active atmosphere in a relationship, the flowing aspects between the Sun and the Moon may not be stimulating enough. There is a real feeling of being able to rely and depend upon each other, however, that most will appreciate.

your venus trine her mercury

When the aspect between Mercury and Venus is a flowing one (sextile or trine), your Venus partner expands your horizons in the areas of leisure and the arts (music, culture, art, and literature, for example), and, often unconsciously, attempts to "soften" your sensibilities. While your Venus partner is subtly sensitizing your outlook, you stimulate your partner to talk about, and give form and structure to, these pleasures. There is a natural and mutual sensitivity to each other, and very often you are capable of finishing each other's sentences because of this attunement. You encourage each other to express yourselves, and there is an easy flow of communication as a result. How comforting! In fact, this aspect helps smooth over other areas that might be problematic in the relationship, simply because there is an uncomplicated element to communications that helps put both parties at ease.

your moon conjunct her uranus

When the Moon is conjunct, square, quincunx, or opposition Uranus in synastry, the initial attraction can be exciting in an unconventional way. The Moon person feels a little off-center around the Uranus person, generally in a good way, but it depends greatly on the temperament of the Moon person. The Uranus person somehow enters into the Moon person's life suddenly, and feelings that are stirred and aroused in Moon can be powerful.

Interpretations are from http://www.cafeastrology.com/synastry/interchartaspects.html
Its a good site..hope it helps..

posted May 11, 2009 03:52 PM         

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And yeah here's another question about Saturn. Is the saturn person in a relationship really afraid of losing the lets say venus or sun person, despite its very judgemental and critical towards them. I've read that saturn person has big difficulties expressing their emotions for their partner, too such extent that it seems as they don't feel anything at all for the person they are with? But in fact they are very much in love and really depend on their lover, and as much as they criticize, they are mostly afraid that they will lose them. Even if it doesn't make any sense, thats what i heard about saturn people in relationships. Is it true?

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Well, the interpretations can be quite subjective. For example, when someone's planets makes aspects to your Saturn, it depends not just on how those aspects are, but also how your Saturn is aspected in your own chart to determine whether you like this or not.

For example, if you have Saturn badly aspected natally, whether the other person's planets makes good or bad aspects to your Saturn, you would feel uncomfortable, coz it's just in your nature that you're not comfortable with seriousness or responsibilities. But if your natal Saturn is a happy one, then you would actually feel more at ease about it.

Astrology's system of symbolism shows us how things can work, so don't get too into cookbook-type reading - try to visualize things in the reality too. ^_~

posted May 11, 2009 06:25 PM         

Its not too bad. Scorpio rising vs Gemini rising isnt the best combination. In a paper/scissors/stone competition, Scorpio would always win and see through that Gemini bullshiiiiit.

8th, and 7th rulers for both in good aspect.

The bit that worries me is her 1st and 12th rulers are opposed your 1st ruler.
The 12th can indicate some type of crime, maybe even cheating on you.

I would personally stay away from that type of aspect involving your house 1 and house 12 of the other person.

posted May 12, 2009 07:34 AM         

And holy crap, her Ascendant is also conjunct your Vertex...wow. That is a MAJOR double whammy..

I see your Ascendant rulers (her: Mercury; you: Pluto) are opposed...interesting indeed, certainly wouldn't see that one every day...

Her sun in your 7th...good for relationships

Mars conjunct Mars in Scorpio...fused energies and sexuality.

Some tense mutual Venus/Pluto interactions there too...

I could go on and on, but all I can say is I'm immensely jealous of this synastry chart

posted May 12, 2009 07:41 AM         

My humble opinion anyway, for anyone about to gun me down...

And was it...someone else in here who said...calm seas don't make good sailors? It's true. Take all that mutual tension as a blessing rather than a curse. Besides, you have more than enough positive stuff in there to keep you optimistic

posted May 12, 2009 08:04 AM         

You have a DW ASC/Vertex conjunction, the same thing I have with a CERTAIN PERSON who at one point said "I don't think we can ever get rid of each other." Funnily enough, I'm a Gemini Rising and he's a Scorpio Rising. Note: He is not my boyfriend and didn't want to exclusively date me because he wants to sow his wild oats pretty much.

It in itself is not enough to keep a relationship going, but it does have a certain pull to it that makes it so you guys can't resist each other despite how hard you pull away.

posted May 12, 2009 11:19 AM         

Thanks for the comments guys, i'm glad someone else agrees with me on this chart lol. Its difficult yet fated. I feel like no matter what happens this relationship or this experiance will make me realize things about life i never knew before.

posted May 12, 2009 03:29 PM         

it is definately a karmic aspect,but depends on the charts of the two.

for instance i know a couple with that same DW and to me,they seem together just for financial reasons mosltly.i dont see love there and sooner or later,my intuition says that they are going to break up when they finish their lesson together.

however,i like your valentine cj venus
vesta and juno cj IC
Ceres cj Sun

posted May 13, 2009 08:00 AM         

Vertex-ASC; I also see it as a fated encounter, but not necessarily longterm.
It doesn´t mean people will stay together for long with that, even th ough they are being changed through the encounter.

It IS longterm in the sense, that you probably will never forget each other, and will become transformed by that encounter.

posted May 14, 2009 07:19 AM         

I wonder what my lesson with this girl is, or how exactly is she going to change my life or for that matter, how am i going to change hers. So far i felt only an imense attraction and sort of a fated feeling. Its all very Vertex like.

In the past i was in love with a girl and we had Vtx/NN DW. It was intense but short lived. There was no longterm synastry there, and i felt that too.

Now with this one its different. Maybe its my moon con her DC, maybe my sun on con her IC, or that MC/IC con. She also has her sun in my 7th, close orb conjunction with my DC, same with venus. Her sun/venus midpoint falls on my DC exactly(if that mens anything). Maybe all of this connections make me feel like i do, don't know. I looked the synastry with my ex girlfriends, and they weren't anything like this, even remotly. I hope i haven't got that far i would see things in this chart that are not there . Thanks guys for your comments.

posted May 15, 2009 01:30 PM         

my sun anticion her sun
my venus antiscia her venus
her pluto antiscia my venus

What do you say about this aspects? Are they important? Probably this pluto/venus sure is, it would explain the passion ).

posted May 15, 2009 02:52 PM         

For instance, my DW Vertex/ASC dude and I bicker A LOT when we're around other people (we have DW hard Moon/Mars aspects in synastry). Everyone else besides us thinks the bickering is for real, we know that it's just playful. We also try to keep our relationship a secret (12th house stellium in the Composite).

anyway, here's our synastry and composite for Metatron to compare to his relationship:

he's more prone to doing things that are "logical" or what he believes is logical. he doesn't get jealous and is actually a huge hornball (Eros exactly conjunct NN in Aries go figure). that said, he doesn't like traditional relationships very much and he told me he realized that he would be perfectly happy if he never got married. although he asked me to marry him if we were still single when we were 30. w/e. i know that i could not be in a real relationship with him now, and i'm okay with that. if we end up together, we end up together. plus he's going to finland for a semester next fall, and he mentioned that it would be a "one way ticket."

posted May 15, 2009 03:49 PM         

We first met 2 years ago when we had History and Mass Communications & Technology classes together. At the time I was actually dating someone else (boyfriend from high school) and he was dating someone too. The history class was in the morning and he showed up a little late. The moment he walked in the door, I felt a very definite attraction. I HAD to get to know him. I prayed to myself that he would sit near me, and he chose the empty seat directly next to me, even though he had to bypass a few people to get to it. My next class was a few hours later and low and behold, he was in it. He waved at me and beckoned me to sit next to him. That semester we became class friends and he took me out a few times (once on my birthday for milkshakes) after class. School ended for the summer and I kind of forgot about him (after all I had a boyfriend). Fall semester started up again, and we got in touch again. He didn't have a girlfriend anymore because she graduated and moved to New York. I started hanging out with him a lot. The attraction kept mounting and I found myself getting jealous whenever he would mention other girls. One night I ended up staying the night at his place because we had biked to see a band play (Defiance Ohio) and his house was much closer than mine to the venue and it was very late. I decided that I had to break up with my boyfriend. We started dating immediately but we're not very compatible in our needs from relationships. I'm the type of person that needs to share everything in a relationships (Moon in Libra duh) and he likes to separate his love relationships from every day life. Also we had just gotten out of long term relationships and he wanted to mess around more. So we agreed to stop seeing each other and we were just friends. Although for a while whenever I would see him I would get so annoyed that I started avoiding him all together. Plus he is really really crude and I like being indignant lol. Anyway, I would see him randomly at parties and of course we would talk and stuff. Then this past semester he started introducing me as his "ex girlfriend" and I was like "uh really I never considered us boyfriend and girlfriend, just dating." And he seemed hurt by that idk. And now whenever we see each other we always play around and we can't keep our hands off each other/can't keep from sitting closely together. So I would say it's very physical, although emotions do run deeply between us. There is a lot of tension.

Note: After we briefly dated (it was for about a month and a half?) I dated another guy for about 5 months without being official (it really tore me up emotionally, I still miss him every day), and I have been dating my current boyfriend for about a year.

This relationship seems really frivolous when written down lol, but we definitely feel "something." We often say to each other "What IS IT about you??" I think also he is sort of saving himself for me? He asked me how I felt if he started dating other girls or hooking up with them. I told him that I would be jealous but logically he should date and hook up with other girls because I HAVE A BOYFRIEND.